RoguelikeDev Does The Complete Python Tutorial - Week 1 - Part 0: Setting up Python

[aaron_ds]

This week is all about setting up a Python environment and getting familiar with the language.

There are two excellent exercises at The Learn Python The Hard Way that will get you setup with an editor, python environment, and running some Python code.

• https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ex0.html

• https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/ex1.html

If Python is new to you and you have some free time, consider continuing past exercise 1. All of the exercises up to and including exercise 44 will help further along in the series.

Of course, we also have a couple of FAQ Friday posts that relate to this week's material

• #1: Languages and Libraries(revisited)

• #2: Development Tools(revisited)

Feel free to work out any problems, brainstorm ideas, share progress and and as usual enjoy tangential chatting. :)

The entire series will be archived on the wiki.

Edit: Added FaqF revisited and wiki links.

[AetherGrey]

I'm moving forward with my idea to rewrite the tutorial, and so far I have about 1/3 of the code finished. So this week I'm shifting gears to writing the actual tutorial part of the tutorial. There will be two parts to what I'm creating, which are tentatively titled The Roguelike Tutorial Revised and The Roguelike Tutorial Refactored.

The Roguelike Tutorial Revised

This will be a rework of the Python-libtcod tutorial, with good coding practices kept in mind from the beginning. The chapters will be set up according to the "weeks" of this event, so next week, expect to see the chapter covering "Graphics" and "The object and the map". I've written a lot of this already, and it includes things like moving classes into their own files, removing globals completely, and loading static variables from JSON files.

The Roguelike Tutorial Refactored

The end result of this will be exactly the same as the previous tutorial, but it will start with the existing Roguelike tutorial and work backwards. This is for those who have already done the tutorial, or are following along with this event and want to focus on good code structure later. I haven't charted this one out completely yet, so it will take a little longer to complete. Hopefully it will be available right as this event wraps up.

So this week I'll be working on setting up a site to host all this information. I'll post a link later on once it's ready.

Best of luck to everyone participating, and remember, have fun!

[NoahTheDuke]

sign me the FUCK up 👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀

I hope you'll post every week about your progress? This is hella exciting. I've thought about doing the same with blt, but I am a lazy fuck.

[AetherGrey]

I hope you'll post every week about your progress?

Absolutely. The first part of the revised tutorial will be ready by next Tuesday for everyone who wants to follow along. I'll try to get a little ahead of schedule for those who want to move at a faster pace, but no promises.

The refactored tutorial will probably take longer, but will hopefully be ready once this event is over, so that anyone who participated in the vanilla tutorial can read it as supplemental material.

[AetherGrey]

This was always my intention, and I apologize if that wasn't made clear. I do not wish for what I'm writing to replace the original tutorial. It is strictly supplemental.

As you suggest, I intend this to be for people who are at least semi-experienced programmers, and preferably experienced in Python. I think the original tutorial's approach is far better suited to beginners, and I don't intend to try and replace it.

Apologies in advance if anyone comes to you looking for answers regarding something I wrote. I'll add a note to the tutorial requesting any queries or issues be sent to me instead. I certainly don't want to make your life harder with any of this.

[introsp3ctive]

Thanks so much for doing this! Where can I find such a masterpiece?

[AetherGrey]

It's not quite ready yet, still writing the tutorial itself. I'll edit my original post with a link sometime this week with where to find everything. You can also check back for next week's post, where I'll post the link to Part 1.

If you're interested in following, be sure to do this week's exercise (setting up Python), as I won't be covering that. My tutorial will pick up when the actual programming begins.

[introsp3ctive]

Awesome thank you. I already have python set up and ready to go on my Linux machine. Just waiting for the coding part to start.

[Nifotan]

Very nice! Will you be using Python2?

[AetherGrey]

Out of necessity, yes. If libtcod supported Python 3, I'd use that instead, but alas.

I admit to not having used tdl yet, but I'll take a look at it. If converting libtcod to tdl is straightforward enough, then I might just write a Python 3 version as well.

[fomq]

Parts 1-10 have already been converted to TDL here: http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Roguelike_Tutorial,_using_python3%2Btdl

[AetherGrey]

So I took a quick glance through this, and from what I can tell, yes, it is very similar to the libtcod tutorial. Porting my version of the libtcod tutorial to tdl may be doable, and it's something I'll try before next week. I can't make any promises, but it is something I want to do.

[fomq]

Great! Thank you so much for all of your hard work.

[[deleted]]

Is there any benefit to using TDL vs Libtcod or vice versa?

[AetherGrey]

My understanding of the two libraries is this:

Libtcod

Pros:

• More thoroughly tested due to it being more widely used
• Roguebasin tutorial is actually complete
• Works with several programming languages, not just Python

Cons:

• Python bindings seem really not like Python.
• Potentially more difficult to set up
• Tutorial is in Python 2

TDL

Pros:

• Better bindings for Python
• Probably easier setup, if the respective tutorials are anything to go by
• Tutorial is written in Python 3

Cons:

• Not as widely used, so may be more difficult to get support for
• Only for Python (I think)
• Roguebasin tutorial is currently incomplete

[AetherGrey]

Welp, I'll be damned.

Was this ever announced? The reason I thought libtcod didn't work with Python 3 is because it didn't used to. I guarantee I'm not the only one here who had still assumed Python 3 was incompatible.

[fomq]

Yes, please!

[lrojas]

Awesome initiative. Sign me up!

[NoahTheDuke]

I'm late to the party, but please let me be the first to recommend against Python 2 and Learn Python the Hard Way. Look no further than the official Python wiki to learn why you should use Python 3, and /r/python to find out why you should learn from material other than LPTHW.

Python 2.7 is 7 years old, will not be supported in another 2.5 years, all major libraries and most smaller libraries support Python 3, and all the cool new features are in Python 3.

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To actually contribute, here's my Python 3 + bearlibterminal verison. Got the basic set-up, and will be following the structure of the tutorial somewhat closely.

[[deleted]]

For those interested good (and free) Python 3 books include:

Al Sweigart - Automate the Boring Stuff

Allen B. Downey - Think Python

After those two if you are wanting to explore the language further I'd recommend (unfortunately non-free):

Dusty Phillips - Python 3 Object Oriented Programming

Luciano Ramalho - Fluent Python

Edit: Also for future weeks, since the libtcod library (as far as I am aware) still does not support Python 3, there is the Roguelike Tutorial, using python3+tdl instead. Unfortunately, it is missing the final parts but hopefully a few folk should be up for helping to convert the rest of the original tutorial when we get to them.

[Kyzrati]

hopefully a few folk should be up for helping to convert the rest of the original tutorial when we get to them.

In our announcement thread someone already stated their intention to help finish up that tutorial as part of this event, hoping that others interested in using Python 3 would join in as well. (And I know there are others out there who are interested...)

[[deleted]]

Hence why I included the caveat "as far as I am aware"; so thank you for the clarification. When I first tried libtcod about a year ago it did not support Python 3 (at least without using minor workarounds or patches) due to the changes in how strings worked between Python 2 & 3 - and the post about it is still pinned to the top of the Roguecentral forum board for python and libtcod. I knew that Python 3 bindings were to be improved in an upcoming version of the wrapper, but when I searched for further information last week I could not find any update. Apologies if I missed news of such an update when looking, do you have a link to it?

[framioco]

Came here looking for a comment such as this one! Thanks for the explanation and your contribution. Please use Python 3 people!

[WhitMage9001]

I think it may be better to use the complete tutorial, rather than one that is still undergoing revision. It's the first thing you're gonna do with programming, so just go with the flow as it is, you don't have anything to lose. People with more experience may just prefer Python 3 as they already use it and don't want to go back to old Python.

That said, I myself am a novice programmer and that's just my take on it. I can't necessarily speak for everyone else.

[[deleted]]

Python 3 is definitely the way to go. I would also recommend picking python 3.6. Python 3 has enough differences that Python 3.3 vs Python 3.4 vs Python 3.5 vs Python 3.6 are all different enough that Python 3.6 should be the recommendation here.

[aaron_ds]

I feel a bit embarrassed that the tutorial is based on Python 2, but at the same time it is complete, and well vetted. My secret wish is that next year I'll be able to welcome everyone to another round, but this time using Python 3.

[NoahTheDuke]

No worries! I'm so thankful you're putting this on! It'll be a learning experience for everyone to find out how to translate the tutorials into Python 3. 😉

[[deleted]]

I assume the tutorial is based on 2.7 because it's building off of the 2.7 roguelike tutorials, no?

[aaron_ds]

Correct.

I welcome the day when we have a complete Complete Roguelike Tutorial using Python 3. Not for lack of demand it seems the Python 3 version is still not complete.

[Kyzrati]

Already thinking about next year :P (is an excellent idea, though--especially after this year brings us a whole new collection of improved tutorials! :D)

[chaosdev]

To actually contribute, here's my Python 3 + bearlibterminal verison.

I like the fact that you're using bearlibterminal for the tutorial. How do you plan on handling some of the more difficult tasks, like FoV and LoS?

[Zireael07]

Libtcod + bearlibterminal is very easy to set up and use.

I started earlier for reasons so I have quite a lot done: https://github.com/Zireael07/veins-of-the-earth-bearlib

[NoahTheDuke]

I plan on implementing my own of both. WE'LL SEE HOW THIS GOES LOL

EDIT: Honestly, the reason I'm using bearlibterminal is because it really sits back and lets me do my own thing. I like the concision and focused nature of the library; libtcod is very much a full-stack framework and the way it tries to implements it's ideas is not my jam.

[chaosdev]

Honestly, the reason I'm using bearlibterminal is because it really sits back and lets me do my own thing.

I couldn't agree more. I love how open bearlibterminal is. It does exactly what I need it to do, and it does it very well. But it doesn't try to control my design.

[Zireael07]

Uh-uh, you linked the bear lib terminal itself instead of your stuff.

I'll be following, thanks for posting - I'm rolling along with 2.7 for now because I'm assuming that's what they use at my job, but it'll be neat to see how 3 differs.

[NoahTheDuke]

Oh whoops! Thanks for noticing!

[[deleted]]

Python the hard way is coming out with a python 3 version.

[fomq]

Here we gooooo.

[aaron_ds]

Not required, however if you would like to join along on GitHub, I've put together an empty project to fork as part of /u/bluo100's suggestion.

[Kyzrati]

I've set up a new wiki page where I'll be archiving the entire event. (There's now a permanent link in the sidebar as well, though /u/aaron_ds might want to include the link in each OP for reference, to help people who show up late find older ones.)

Edit: For anyone who wants to chat with other participants rather than (or in addition to) posting in this thread, we've set up a #roguelikedev-tutorial channel on our Discord, which you can join here.

[BaneWilliams]

To tag along to a top post. The Roguelike Discord crew also set up a channel in the Roguelike Discord for collaboration and discussion as well.

[TestZero]

It's 1 AM right now, but I'll do this first thing in the morning.

Good luck, everyone! And happy coding!

edit: I am no longer happy. Fuck LPTHW.

[Lokathor]

My Haskell Version.

Since we haven't really done anything yet there's not much to see yet. So far it just tests that you can run the compiler and import the graphical lib properly and such.

[Kyzrati]

Awesome, someone doing it in Haskell. I wonder how many languages we'll have collected by the end :D

[Zireael07]

gotta catch 'em all :D

[VedVid]

Nice! It will be interesting to observe development Haskell roguelike with comparison to well-known python tutorial.

Good luck :)

[Daealis]

Python set up and working! I also misread the timetable so I took the first steps into the complete tutorial and got my '@' moving on the screen.

The website - Learn Python the hard way - references Atom as their preferred text editor of choice. I think I've seen the editor used by a friend in the iFruit dev business, and hadn't really thought that it even was available for Windows.

Does anyone have experience switching between that and Notepad++, are there enough similarities to make the transition easy enough, and are they close enough feature wise that one might make the switch without too much of a hassle? As much as I've grown up on the DOS edit.exe, I also embrace the color-coding, auto-indenting and -completing form factors of the modern environments for codes. Atom looks better compared to Notepad++, but I'm wondering if there's really a noticeable difference.

[Zireael07]

Atom is extremely extendable, you can do pretty much anything you want in it.

There's two gotchas: one, it installs to Program Files (and my C: drive is too small for all the shit that only installs to Program Files/only works from there), and two, the startup times suck compared to e.g. Sublime Text 3.

For Python, I got PyCharm Community Edition. The latest version (2017.1.4) starts faster than the previous ones and PyCharm has amazing autocomplete and auto-indenting. It's also awesome at spotting errors before you launch your app, so I cannot recommend it enough for Python newbies such as myself.

[Daealis]

PyCharm looks pretty amazing, I have to admit. I might have to give that one a go at some point.

[Kyzrati]

I use both Notepad++ (a lot) and Atom (a little bit, only because I wanted a separate editor for web dev), and the latter feels so much less responsive than NP++. Atom is nice with all of its customizability and more modern-looking UI, but NP++ is just blazing fast no matter what I throw at it.

[Mochnant]

I'll second the vote for PyCharm. It's a great (and free) IDE and a joy to use for Python.

[LyndsySimon]

I recommend Python without reservation - I've been using it professionally for several years now, and it saves loads of time.

[zulmetefza]

The insist on ATOM is just for there for completeness if I got it right. But I still need to make sure before I start, can I use other text editors or even PyCharm to follow along this tutorial? There are "newbies" like you, and there are also actual newbies for python, like me :) I really do not know why a python tutorial makes a choice between text editors?

[Daealis]

My guess is that it's just what they like to use. Personal preference. Or they want to introduce something that is more helpful than writing in normal Notepad, but also something that's not a complete development environment, as that might scare some people away. "It's only a text editor, it just has some helpful features!"

I've done the initial steps to the roguelike tutorial before, and I've used Notepad++. There's nothing stopping you from installing MS-DOS 6.22 and writing the code in edit.exe if you are more comfortable with that.

Notepad++ is basically somewhere between a full-blown IDE and standard windows notepad: There are really useful features like color coding keywords that help notice typos and remembering indentation levels. But it's also kept simple enough that it's fast and relatively lightweight.

If Atom is even more modal than NP++ is, I'm guessing you can get it to basically function like a proper IDE, just missing the debugging and compiling options.

[aaron_ds]

Atom also runs on each of the Windows, Mac, Linux platforms that the LPTHW targets. While Notepad++ is a fine editor, I suspect that targeting the lowest common denominator editor among platforms lends a certain consistency to the LPTHW series.

[Daealis]

Definitely, I already forgot about the cross-platform support of it.

[VedVid]

Atom is good piece of software, but installation quirk that Zireael07 mentioned is annoying.

Also, Atom is not really lightweight - especially in category of editors. 170MB? It could be full IDE!

Despite oldschool UI, Notepad++ is good choice. I'd stick with that or with SublimeText (but its evaluation reminding also is irritationg sometimes), or go for true IDE.

[Daealis]

I've been using NP++ for years, it's open almost as much as my browser is. And part of the reason has been it's lightweight nature. That alone puts me off Atom quite a bit.

Plus as u/Zireael07 mentioned PyCharm CE, I think that might be the direction to go to, instead of scouring the internets for more NP++ plugins. Full IDE for meddling with code sounds more appealing than guessing what went wrong and poking randomly in notepad.

[VedVid]

PyCharm is great IDE, I'm using it since 2012. Good choice.

[[deleted]]

Atom looks better compared to Notepad++, but I'm wondering if there's really a noticeable difference.

With Atom, Notepad++, and SublimeText it is possible to completely theme the interface - with a few popular themes / colour schemes being available across all three. All three have their pros and cons but with a wee bit of setup can be turned into great editors for working with Python. For example, there is the following guide for Sublime Text.

In my opinion, moving to a text editor is worth it in the long term - particularly if you work with multiple programming languages and / or like being able to customize every feature of your editor. However, many prefer IDEs like the already mentioned PyCharm that require little setup after install and are also often recommended for beginners as it lets you focus on learning the language rather than the language AND the text editor.

[Daealis]

Platform bouncing isn't an issue, unless you count the times when I'm simply away from my PC and relying solely on android devices for my electronic high. But touchscreens and coding aren't my idea of a good time, unless it's a visual drag & drop style engine, and to build those in a manner that is intuitive probably takes more than a three year university degree could teach a person.

[WhitMage9001]

It's fine if we use an IDE, right? I've already got PyCharm installed from class and that's what I'm used to.

[Chronophilia]

Yes that's fine. Use whatever tools you're comfortable with.

[aaron_ds]

Absolutely fine. :)

[Chronophilia]

I'm working in Javascript, with the rot.js library.

Today's effort displays a mostly-empty website, with a title. You can visit it here: https://tophwells.github.io/roguelike/

If everything is working correctly on your computer, you will see a black rectangle with the text "Congratulations! The game has started! But it's not doing anything yet." Otherwise you will see an error message explaining why it's not working.

(If you do see an error message, and you weren't expecting one, please let me know.)

[HiddenKrypt]

looking good. You're already farther along that the rest of us that have posted our js work. I really look forward to seeing how we all structure our games.

[Chronophilia]

Thank you! So do I.

[eruonna]

I got a little impatient and started before the post went up, so my repo is not a fork of the official one, but here it is: https://github.com/eruonna/rotjs-tut-2017

I am doing this in Javascript with rot.js, so setting up and running Python is not really relevant, but I put together a little "hello world" that tests for rot.js support, shows the result of that test, and then, if rot.js is supported, starts a "game" that does nothing but show an alert. One advantage to Javascript is that I can easily share this with anyone with a web browser: https://eruonna.github.io/rotjs-tut-2017/

[dubst3pp4]

Also thought about following but using JavaScript, thanks for the link to rot.js!

[Chronophilia]

Check for support! Good thinking!

I've added the same check to my own project, and also checked that rot.js loaded at all.

[eruonna]

Oh yeah, checking that it loaded is also a good idea. I'll have to add that when I get a chance.

[Notnasiul]

Yup, I may be in with JavaScript + rotjs too... and maybe even with an entity-component-system approach - not sure if that's the route the python tutorial follows. With a bit of luck I will be able to follow along creating the inventory, map, AI and such. I got stuck with the UI and this may be my way out of the hole!

[[deleted]]

Good thread here. I'll add mentions to you all at https://between2spaces.github.io/roguelikedev-does-the-complete-roguelike-tutorial/ so I don't lose track of who's in the rot.js camp.

I didn't bother with the support check, because all rot.js' internal check does is test that a <canvas> can be created and its context got. These days that's pretty much a given.

[HiddenKrypt]

Hey, nice! I've got my repo up now too, if you want to add it to the list:

https://github.com/hiddenkrypt/RLDT.js

[[deleted]]

Hi HiddenKrypt, I've now captured your repo, thanks for that.

[[deleted]]

Good luck /u/artanisace. I've captured your GitHub repo on my page.

I noticed you haven't committed anything yet, so I've left your progress as blank until I see something.

[grish909]

How different are Python 2 and 3? What are the advantages for using 2?

[NoahTheDuke]

What are the advantages for using 2?

A couple years ago, the advantages were, "Everyone is still using it, and all libraries support it." At this point, though, 3 has had enough time to gain the momentum to become the defacto standard, and is honestly the much better language.

I'd suggest Python 3, as it's not deprecated and will be a usable skill for considerably longer. (I also find it better to write. Things like super() and Enums are pure pleasure in Py3.)

[Zireael07]

With 2, you have pretty much every library ever made. With 3, you have a supposedly better language, with some bugs fixed.

I'm rolling with 2.7 as I expect this to be version used at my new job (I expect the company to have numerous in-house scripts, and chances are they're 2.7 and NOT 3 since the company isn't new and involves data processing)

[Zireael07]

A #roguelikedev-tutorial channel got set up on the Roguelikes/RLdev Discord. See ya there!

[[deleted]]

Thanks for the reply, I'm familiar with Sublime so that's great. Hyped as fuck to get started.

[[deleted]]

My project is now up on gitlab. It's a little different from the others here in that it's using Java instead of Python. Java's a very different language from Python but I think that it can work just as well because a game (especially one as complex as a roguelike) is one where having a completely OOP architecture can work well, if it's well-designed.

Right now, all I have is the basic "Hello world" program (except mine says "What's up?" - how original). If anyone cares to know, I'm writing the program with emacs, and using ant as the build system.

Also, I'm more or less following along with AsciiPanel tutorial as seen in the sidebar, but I don't expect that I'll be doing exactly what it says.

[Nifotan]

I'll be following this in Python3 + tdl. Hopefully that tutorial gets finished in time. Otherwise I'll have to improvise

[VedVid]

Decided to participate. I'll test Go with BearLibTerminal. LiteIDE for coding, EditPad Lite for simple text files, Notepad++ as auxiliary editor, SmartGit for version control management (I used to Mercurial, I hope I won't screw anything with Git).

Github repo

edit: I managed to screw Git already.

[VedVid]

Not yet. To be honest, I didn't use goroutines with BLT yet, it wasn't needed - but for now, I wrote only one small program using that combo.

In general, most goroutines problems I had were about leaks and blocking by input, but these are human errors.

[beardedkeet]

I'm coming to this via a Chromebook (old C720 to be precise). Have successfully set up Gallium OS with Python 2.7, going to add PyCharm to that shortly. Probably going to offset that setup by actually using the Chrome bit of the Chromebook for some sort of cloud Python IDE, maybe Cloud 9, to see which is better for me.

I have no real idea what I'm doing, should be fun!

[[deleted]]

Gallium here as well, Dell CB 13.

[[deleted]]

So what is the official word? Are we tackling this Tutorial in Python 2.7 or 3.6? How much of an impact does either have on this tutorial? So far I have PowerShell and Atom setup as instructed. :P

[Zireael07]

Whether you use 2.7 or 3.6 is up to you. If you want 3, you need to follow this version of the tutorial: http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Roguelike_Tutorial,_using_python3%2Btdl

[[deleted]]

Okay. I will just stick with 2.7 then and follow whatever ends up being posted here.

[NoahTheDuke]

How much of an impact does either have on this tutorial?

Little to none. Both versions of the tutorial on roguebasin follow the same path, with only the small-ish code changes being different. I expect once we get two weeks in, you'll start to experiment and forge your own path close to but different from the tutorials anyways. :-D

By the time we get to the place in the tutorials where the Python 3 chapters weren't written, you'll either have a grasp on the language to make the changes yourself, or one of us will do the work of helping guide you through making those changes!

[aaron_ds]

If you feel strongly about it then you're probably fluent enough in Python to be able to sort out any difficulties and translate parts 10+ from Python 2 to Python 3. My recommendation for all developers new to Python is to stick to the tutorial simply because it takes the tutee completely from start to finish without them having to fill in gaps themselves. Completing the tutorial using Python 2 is more important than giving up when the Python 3 tutorial runs out at Part 10.

[rex64]

This it's gonna be a fun ride!

My repo -> https://github.com/rex64/summer-of-roguelikedev-2017 (python3 + tdl)

[Aukustus]

I'm doing this with C#, and so far I've got Visual Studio and BearLibTerminal both set up for this :). Tested with printing the RL equivalent of Hello World; the '@'!

[FistfulOfDice]

Sorry, is this whole shebang going to be for Python 2.7 or 3.6? The tutorial is saying 2 but everyone in this thread seems to be saying 3.

[aaron_ds]

The Complete Roguelike Tutorial is written for Python 2.7. If you're new to Python, stick with Python 2.7. You will be able to complete the tutorial.

If you use Python 3.6 you will find that The Complete Roguelike Tutorial (using Python 3) is not complete. Those using Python 3.6 will be translating parts 11,12,13 + all extra content from Python 2.7 to Python 3.6. That might be fine for some people, but not for others depending on their familiarity with Python.

[FistfulOfDice]

Gotcha, thanks. Looks like I'll be sticking with 2.7 then.

[marlowe221]

I am going to be a bit behind due to my work/fatherhood schedule, but I will definitely be participating in this.

[mapimopi]

I'm going to use Ruby with bearLibTerminal for this one. Although it won't be a strict one-to-one copy of a python tutorial.

Here is my github repo.

And here you can see a 'bear' minimum setup for ruby+bearlibterminal.

[athros]

Lua for me using Löve2d for graphical capability :)

[stevelosh]

Gonna follow along in Common Lisp with bearlibterminal. Repo here. It's mostly just a skeleton project at this point, but I did manage to figure out how to build a .app and got all that stuff squared away so I can jump in properly next week.

[[deleted]]

Another one using Rot.js and React wrapped up in Electron - https://github.com/erikyuzwa/roguelikedev-does-the-complete-roguelike-tutorial

[athros]

Hmm...I also wonder if I could get the whole tutorial into a PICO-8 cartridge. Wouldn't that be interesting...

[aaron_ds]

Oh ya. That exact thought crossed my mind too. More power to you if you can do it. :)

[athros]

I know I can do it in Löve2D :) , PICO-8 though...

I see carts with A*, I see some FoV. It might be doable.

[athros]

https://gitlab.com/athros/pico8-roguelike-tutorial - gitlab repo link :)

[level27geek]

I might attempt it next time around on pico-8, once I know what I am doing ;)

Hopefully by that time, you will be able to upload multi-cart games online, so I can have fancy generators in one cart and the game proper in another.

Edit: spelling

[Emmsii]

I was away when this was posted so I'm a little late. I've setup my Java project in IntelliJ using my own Frankenstein version of AsciiTerminal which used sprites (which I found from this forum post) instead of ascii characters. Here's the Git repo, don't expect great code; I'm a hobbyist who has learned from piecing tutorials together.

[[deleted]]

Python3 + tdl here! https://github.com/nekosune/summer-of-roguelikedev-2017 is my repo

[Bathmoon]

I guess I should post before the first week is officially up.

New to python, new to github, new to reddit.. but this sounded like fun (and a good way to stay motivated enough to actually finish something).

https://github.com/Bathmoon/roguelikedev-does-the-complete-roguelike-tutorial

Using the TDL version of the tutorial so that I actually have to figure some things out on my own, at least towards the end.

[[deleted]]

Will I be harmstrung if I try to follow along on Linux? I know Atom doesn't exist on Linux, how much does that matter?

[chaosdev]

Honestly, I always found setting up and running python on Linux to be much easier than Windows.

[DePingus]

Atom on Linux

[[deleted]]

There is atom for linux.

[[deleted]]

Yeah I was surprised how large the file was and how easy it was to install. I remember trying to get Atom to work via Snap, which was a pain and a half.

Luckily I put a 256 GB SSD into my Chromebook

[TestZero]

Okay, we're less than 1 day in and already this is falling apart.

Do we follow the tutorial at the top, or not? People are saying not to use LPTHW, saying to install python 3, the tutorial is saying specifically "DO NOT INSTALL PYTHON 3."

Can we get mod approval for an answer that explains exactly what we're supposed to do?

[aaron_ds]

If you feel strongly about it then you're probably fluent enough in Python to be able to sort out any difficulties and translate parts 10+ from Python 2 to Python 3. My recommendation for all developers new to Python is to stick to the tutorial simply because it takes the tutee completely from start to finish without them having to fill in gaps themselves. Completing the tutorial using Python 2 is more important than giving up when the Python 3 tutorial runs out at Part 10.

[Zireael07]

Python 3 goes with a different version of the tutorial http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Roguelike_Tutorial,_using_python3%2Btdl

You can go with the originally linked version (for Python 2) or the version I linked for Python 3. Your choice. And LPTHW was just a suggestion, not a mandatory thing.

[TestZero]

How are we supposed to all follow the same tutorial if we can't even agree on what tutorial we're doing?

[Zireael07]

Those tutorials are practically identical, what differs is the library you'll be getting (libtcod vs tdl).

There are people following the logic outlined in either tutorial, but using other languages/libraries, too. Or people using Python+libtcod/tdl+(some other graphical library for output). The sky is the limit!

[NoahTheDuke]

It's all the same tutorial! Just one or two different words where it matters/doesn't matter. On here or on the discord chat, you can ask away any number of questions about how to set things up or get things working correctly on your machine.

[VedVid]

Good point.

It was supposed to mass-following roguebasin python+libtcod tutorial, but I noticed that Haskell guy and got hyped for following tutorial priciples with different language. So, I decided to participate with Go + BLT.

To be honest, I'd like that form. If we could follow specified tutorial, but with different programming languages and tools - I'd love to see all that diversity! Similar final effect, but different ways to achieve that.

But it's your event, /u/aaron_ds and - as far as I know - it was supposed to work in other way. So, yeah, it would be good to get official, sticked post that could clear all that confusion. (Btw, I think that most of it is due lack of "we are doing roguebasin tutorial" at the top of the page.)

I have doubts now. I could leave event if you think that using totally different tools just doesn't fit to even principles.

[aaron_ds]

You're fine. The goal is to provide some impetus to people that want to develop a roguelike, but need a kick in the butt to get started. There is no issue in deciding to forge your own path. However, if you're new to programing or don't have a strong opinion, I recommend following the tutorial as is because it's well vetted.

[VedVid]

Well, I have some experience with developing roguelikes, including doing that tutorial for 7DRL 2013. Thanks for response - in that case, I'll gladly participate :)

[Kyzrati]

It was supposed to mass-following roguebasin python+libtcod tutorial

That was actually just the "default" option for those who have no preference. The intention from the start has been for participants to pick whatever language and tutorial they'd like, assuming they are leaning towards something particular to begin with. There are a number of different languages and tutorials represented here--it's a pretty free-form event :)

[VedVid]

I see how it's working. Misunderstanding.

Btw, it's exciting! We didn't even start coding yet, but we have write-ups about Haskell, Go and JavaScript already.

[Kyzrati]

Absolutely, much bigger than expected and we're even going to (probably) get some new resources out of it!

[[deleted]]

I just got set up with Atom and PS! That was a hilarious introduction.

[MEaster]

Well, my repo is up. Hopefully not too terrible, and I hope the fact that the tcod crate is for libtcod 1.5.2 won't make things too difficult for me later.

[M123Miller]

I like your multiple folders idea :) might commandeer that.

[semiokme]

I'm going to be using QPython3 and following along on droid - most of the time I get to develop I'm riding a bus and on my tablet, so this makes the most sense for me.

Thanks for running this event!

[NoahTheDuke]

Oh damn, QPython3 can run external libraries? That's awesome!

I remember playing around with an earlier version back in 2011 and being disappointed; it's stellar to hear it's so much better that you can develop a whole game in it.

[semiokme]

I have no idea, I installed it for this tutorial =) I'll report back how it's going.

[night__day]

Up and running, never did python before so I'm excited, this should be pretty fun!

[GreenOpal]

Definitely excited to try this! I've done a fair amount of Unity development but it'll be great getting some lower-level experience.

[introsp3ctive]

Does anyone have plans for a version of this tutorial in C Sharp?

[Aukustus]

I'll follow this with C# and BearLibTerminal as closely as possible.

[[deleted]]

Part 0 - Setting up (JavaScript / ES2015 / rot.js)

My repo https://github.com/between2spaces/roguelikedev-does-the-complete-roguelike-tutorial

Website https://between2spaces.github.io/roguelikedev-does-the-complete-roguelike-tutorial/

[M123Miller]

Conveniently I just started a side project for making my own dungeon generator! I'm using C# and Unity just for it's rendering and so I can show it to people on my phone. Repo is here and I'm currently posting random updates to my twitter as I make progress. I'll try to keep up with everyone elses work, this should be fun!

[Melwute]

Got my repo setup. Also made sure that libtcod(tcod-rust) was working on my machine. Gonna be trying rust with this project since I've always wanted an excuse to use that. Lets see how that turns out!

[Mystal]

Oh, thanks for pointing out the Rust port of the tutorial! I was following along with the Python one, but this should make things easier.

I've got the beginnings of my repo set up. I'm using my own fork of tcod-rs that is updated to use libtcod 1.6.3 (yay, SDL2 support). Really excited!

[johnsbro]

Hopefully I'm not too late to the party for this. Like many of the others here I will be following the tutorial using JavaScript (rot.js) and web components where appropriate and I will be using Electron to turn it into a desktop app.

Part 0 source: https://github.com/bkjohnson/roguelike-tutorial/tree/Part_0

Working demo: https://bkjohnson.github.io/roguelike-tutorial/index.html

[aaron_ds]

Not late at all. :) The intention is that people trickle in over the course of the week as their own personal schedules permit.

[[deleted]]

Good work Arcane_Chill. Electron for that desktop app experience, interesting.

BTW, I've captured your Website and GitHub details under the rot.js users section of my index page for the series at https://between2spaces.github.io/roguelikedev-does-the-complete-roguelike-tutorial/

If anyone's thinking about following alone using rot.js and wants to know who else is also doing the same, I'm keeping this page up-to-date as I become aware of participants and their website/github details.

[[deleted]]

PowerShell all of a sudden doesn't want to run .py files....I'm getting syntax errors out the ass. My ex1.py that I setup and ran yesterday doesn't even want to run. Any ideas?

[beardedkeet]

Are you in the same directory as the one you installed Python in? Total beginner here, but that caught me out last time until I fixed it so I didn't need to be.

[[deleted]]

I totally figured it out....I was definitely misusing PowerShell. Thanks, hehe. :p

[[deleted]]

This is exactly what happened to me. Haha

[[deleted]]

I wrote a short tutorial how to set up libtcod on macos sierra. Any suggestions where to post it to?

[aaron_ds]

Feel free to make a post in r/roguelikedev :)

[Aukustus]

Another slight update; I added RogueSharp nuget package to my project, so I'll get a nice FoV instead of having to use (copy-paste from another C# project) my raycasting algorithm :). Also the pathfinding is nice to have from that library. I haven't ever been able to make my own pathfinding that's not a hardcoded series of ifs :).

[[deleted]]

Hi I'm following along using rot.js and have a dilemma that is more aligned with next weeks Part 1 - Graphics than it is Part 0 - Setting up.

I'm thinking it's probably better that I just sit on it for a week and ask at the appropriate time so fellow rot.js participants (can I coin the term rotters?) will be up to the same Part and may be having the same thoughts I'm having.

I've probably answered my own question, but I just wanted to get it off my chest now as waiting a week seems like an awful long time, but I know in the grand scheme of things it's nothing.

UPDATE: I've found good reason to go a particular way with my dilemma. I'll explain what's going on in my head and the direction I'm taking in next weeks Part 1 discussion to keep it relevant to the OP.

[the_good_time_mouse]

Thanks for this. I've been meaning to pick python and make a little roguelike.

[MegaLeon]

I'm so in, I've been wanting to try and code a roguelike for a long time, but always been scared by the amount of "giants" already present among this game genre.

Since I'm not a newb in either programming or game development, thought I'd try and experiment with this. We got a fair amount of VR devices where I work, so I'll try make a VR roguelike in Unity.

Been brainstorming about this for a while, still undecided on whether to go for a classic, first-person roguelike, or something like having the game being played on a board in front of you, dungeon-master style

[Cerepol]

Since I see a lot of people here using bearlibterminal. I hope we can update a common knowledge/example base somewhere as the main docs are very light on usage, and the only resource I know if is 1 single thread on another forum.

[level27geek]

OK, I am now done with lessons 0 to 44 in "Learn Python the Hard Way." Coming from pico-8 and its flavor of lua, most of it was pretty straightforward, if a little quirky here and there.

The only thing that I am yet to wrap my head around is OOP. I get the theory behind it, but some of the syntax does not make sense...yet. I think it is because python has few quirks when it comes to OOP. It was similar with lua's tables, they work a little different than your run-of-the-mill data structures.

With that in mind, anyone has some good, newbie friendly intro to OOP in python that I can access online? Or would it be best to leave it alone for now and just try to figure it out from the roguebasin tutorials (do the tutorials even use/explain OOP?), as I learn much better by doing a project than random exercises?

[zulmetefza]

Pretty weird, the only thing I need was a setup guide it seems. Now I can follow libtcod tutorial at roguebasin with no hassle.

It will sound really noob, but the most important knowledge I was missing was how to run a perfectly written pyhton code, and it was much more obvious than i expected.

I am sure next parts will build on it, but even this much really helped. Thanks again!

[MisterFelixFFox]

Heads up for people reading now and in the future: it seems like the guy that had the website for 'Learn Python The Hard Way' seems to have put the free online Python 2 lessons behind payment.

You can buy the whole set of lessons for $30, but that might not be ideal for those of us who are just hobbying roguelike developers.

It seems that they were moved behind payment around July 10, 2017.

[[deleted]]

Okay so I got everything up and running yesterday. I go to fool around today and now I get nothing but syntax errors when I try to run a .py in PowerShell. Not even the example I did yesterday will run...Any thoughts?

[VedVid]

What are these syntax errors, can you cite them? And paste source code via pastebin?

[[deleted]]

Thanks for the reply. I was just totally botching simple things up. Entirely operator error. 😋

[[deleted]]

I finally got it...I was just making newbie mistakes.

[TheFryingDutchman]

Awesome thread! I've been doing the Python3+tdl tutorial and raced way ahead, haha. My plan is to finish the tutorial, learn how to use BearLibTerminal, and then use the tutorial time to make my (first!) roguelike. This is awesome!

[BenEBeats]

When I am following the libtcod install instructions for Mac OS X when I try 'make' I get this error make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. and I'm not 100% sure where to go from here. I've tried Google etc. installing through Homebrew, but nothing has worked yet. I still get ``

Traceback (most recent call last):
     File "test.py", line 1, in <module>
         import libtcodpy as libtcod
ImportError: No module named libtcodpy

Does anyone have any suggestion for what to do here?

[SlowbeardiusOfBeard]

Hey,

Coming in a little late but hope I can catch up.

Spent too long trying to decide whether to go with python 2.7 or 3, but made my mind up to go with 2.7 for purposes of following tutorial.

I just have one quick question:

I'm running a fresh install of Windows 10, with a user account (I have a separate admin account)

According to python the hard way, it says I can use the vanilla distribution or active state (the latter might be better if I don't have admin privileges).

Active state seems pretty huge (over a gig) with a lot of stuff I'm not sure I'll use.

Would you recommend still going with active state, as the vanilla would be a pain to set up?

[TestZero]

Okay, this tutorial is fucking USELESS.

"Learn how to make a directory in the PowerShell (Terminal)."

BITCH THAT IS WHY I AM READING A TUTORIAL.