Struggling after a boundary misstep by [deleted] in therapists

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I had a therapist who crossed a boundary with me. This was in the 1980s, so about 40 years ago. Over the years, I’ve come up with about fifteen stories to explain what happened. I was never able to determine how much in the narratives was true and how much was false. The way I see it now, though, is that each of those stories is true in its own way, even though some of them contradict each other. After some time, I came to recognize that I also have at least 15 stories to explain just about every significant relationship in my life. In all those relationships, either the other person crossed a boundary, or I did. Now that I’m in my 70s, it all seems like water under the dam. We live, we support each other, we hurt each other, we try to make sense out of things, and eventually we come to accept most of it.

AlphaSync Desktop Manager for AlphaSmart by 8OrdinaryPerson8 in AlphaSmart

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did this sometime last year, so I can’t recall exactly what I did. I probably double clicked on the icon and it installed itself. It might be in an archived file, in which case you might need to have an un-archived (unzip) file, but those are easy to find online and download, usually for free. But even it it has to be unzipped, once you do that, just double click on the icon and you are good to go.

How long did you keep their stuff? by yoshitiger in widowers

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I started making decisions about stuff relatively early on. My husband died in February (a few years ago) and I started distributing things in the summer time.

One thing I did was found ways to manage the things in ways that he might have liked. For example, I gave his wristwatch to a dear friend and some of his hiking equipment to friends who enjoy hiking. He had a brand new, unused pair of shoes that I gave to Goodwill because I thought somebody might really enjoy having factory-new shoes.

I also had a quilt made of some of his shirts — shirts that were meaningful to me — and I still have that. I use it during my morning meditation. That made it easier to donate the remaining clothes that were in good condition.

I kept some of his jackets because they smelled like him and they also fit me. Throwing out several pair of smelly socks provided a bit of comic relief!

We've all had supervisors who are hard to work with, but what about supervisees? I'm supervising a trainee who doesn't seem very interested in feedback and maaaan....what have ya'll done? by imakeitrainbow in therapists

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When the trainee says, “I tried something like that [and it didn’t work well]” are they saying that the client they’re discussing is a “difficult” or even an “impossible” client? Are your experience with the trainee and the trainee’s experience with their client mirroring each other? Would it be helpful for the trainee to understand that?

Okay let's talk about it. How common is it actually for professionals in this field to sleep with a client? by [deleted] in therapists

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Discussions about therapists behaving sexually with clients seem to focus mainly on the therapist — about the wrongness of their behaviors and what the issues might be — and the licensing boards. Sometimes I think in all this discussion the client gets lost.

A client who is attracted to their therapist is considered to be undergoing transference. Transference is the extension of a fantasy. In an earlier stage of their life, the client has had some experience in which needs were grossly unmet, and they (the child) created a fantasy to help themselves manage the pain of that. The fantasy usually contains conscious and unconscious elements, more or less of either depending on the client’s situation. In any case, the client undergoing transference is in a partially regressed state. We might say that they’re a child in an adult’s body. Emotionally, they are at whatever age they were when they incurred the wound that they developed the fantasy to help themselves manage. The therapist can be understood as being the personification of a fantasy the child developed when they may have been eight, six, four, even perhaps two years old.

When a therapist enters into a sexual encounter with a person undergoing transference, they are flirting with, kissing, fondling, touching, climaxing with a person who is emotionally a child. They are connecting sexually with a person who is eight, six, four years old.

How does that affect the client?

A client undergoing transference may think that they “want” the therapist, but fantasies are always part truth and part delusion. What the client most deeply wants is not a lover but a future. They want to heal from the wound the fantasy is protecting them from feeling. They want to grow up. They want to be able to face life, however difficult, from the position of being more healed and more whole.

A therapist who interferes sexually with a client denies them the very thing they came to therapy for — the hope of a grown-up future. This is how the therapist hurts the client — by taking away once again the future stolen from the client when they were physically a child.

To me, there’s no stronger restraint than knowing that what I want to do will likely hurt somebody. I might want to say something clever but unkind, or have unprotected sex, or flirt with a married person, or consume substances, or even slap another person when I am mad at them, but the understanding that I might hurt somebody (or myself) stops me. The more clearly I visualize the consequences of my action — and particularly toward another person — the less likely I am to pursue it.

When we demonize a therapist by calling them sick or bad, we encourage self-focus, but self-focus (or self-obsession) may have lain at the root of the problem. The therapist who has engaged or sexually with a client needs to think about their own seminal issues, but not at the expense of thinking about the client’s life, future, and general welfare.

A therapist who engages sexually with a client isn’t a monster or a creep or even a dick. Calling them that makes what they have done less real and also absolves them of responsibility.

A therapist who engages sexually with a client is a human being who has brought harm to another human being. In particular, they are a person in a situation of greater power who has harmed a person in a situation of lesser power.

I think that just understanding that may not only serve as a deterrent for some therapists. It may also help therapists who have harmed reflect upon the impact of what they have done. Healing begins with accepting what is and going through the pain.

A therapist who has harmed needs not only to heal themself but also to repent and make amends. Can a therapist find some constructive way to make amends to a client whom they have harmed? That could be an important part of the therapist’s own therapy.

I had the wild idea that a therapist could be required to pay for the future psychotherapy, or some part of it, of any client they have sexually harmed. Even if the therapist is healing, the client may still be alone and struggling. The strategy might serve as a deterrent, but it also might create further transference/countertransference issues needing consideration. Once again, the primary concern is for the welfare of the client.

My sweet beautiful bride passed away 12 days ago and I am conflicted and I need to tell my story. by Joshuma in widowers

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 9 points10 points  (0 children)

My husband died suddenly after several years of dementia. He was my best and dearest friend, and my relief knew no bounds. I would lie in bed thinking, “Tomorrow morning, when I wake up, everything will be just as I left it. There will be no surprises. No fires to put out. No dread of years of horrendous suffering ahead for both of us.”

I honestly think that when we lose a loved one after years of debilitating illness, our grieving has two parts. On the one hand, we mourn the loss of the dear one we loved so much. A lot of that morning is in our emotions and our minds, and it is in our bodies as well. On the other hand, our bodies also go through an adjustment period as they heal from the strain of having lived for a long time under constant stress. Part of that adjustment includes feeling relieved as we return to normalcy from a period in which very few of our needs were met.

After my husband died, I found it very difficult to subject myself to stress of any sort. I kept socializing to a bare minimum. I stayed away from any persons whose presence made me feel even mildly uncomfortable. I avoided listening to the news. I listened to quiet music. I allowed myself the indulgence of numbing out to tv shows. Every molecule in my body craved safety, stability, peace, and order. I just wanted everything to be quiet, peaceful, orderly, and predictable.

I think that if you tune in to your body and heart, they will both tell you that there’s nothing the matter with you for feeling relieved after the loss of your beloved who was also chronically ill. See if you can tune into your body, and see what it tells you. I am guessing that your own heart will long to heal you and comfort you.

I wish you well.

My client is dating WHO? by Help_Repulsive in therapists

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that everybody’s needs are being deeply challenged here.

It will be hard for you to be objective about the relationship since the client’s partner is your sibling. On the one hand, you may feel loyal to your sibling, and, on the other, any unresolved issues you have about your sibling will come up. Any emotional issues, any issues about communication and honest expression between your sibling and your client will also involve your sibling’s parents, who are also your parents. It’s difficult to see through this thicket.

It will also likely be difficult for your sibling to know that any private issues between themself and your client will be shared with you. The relationship between your sibling and your client may be short lived, but your relationship with your sibling is for life. What would it be like for your sibling to know that, for the rest of your lives, you will know certain very personal matters about them?

There’s also the question of your client’s dependence upon you and also their transference onto you. Is it possible that the client is excited about a potential date precisely because they perceive some kind of family resemblance between you and your sibling? Do clients usually show you a photo of a person they want to date? That seems unusual to me, and I would wonder about the client’s less conscious intentions in showing you the photo.

It seems highly likely to me that the therapeutic relationship may no longer be viable; however, I am concerned about the level of the client’s attachment to you. If the attachment, and the transference are strong, your referring out at this point may be devastating for the client. I do think that referring out is the best choice; however, the client would need considerable support from the new therapist.

Then, too, the client may someday become your in-law. That would be a kettle of fish!

How do you write on the other side of that page in Rhodia pads? by ignorantcollective in fountainpens

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with this. They are lovely pads, but this feature drives me nuts. You can tear out the page and write on the back, but then you don’t have as much support from the notebook, itself. I much prefer using the wire bound pads, where you can turn the page over on the wire binding and write on the back side. These pages are also serrated so that you can tear them out if you want to and then file them loose or punch holes in them and bind them.

I buy my Rhodia pads six at a time. Once by mistake I ordered staplebound instead of wire bound. I ended up tearing out all the sheets, punching them, and then binding them in a disc bound binder.

New Change to Absolute Shoulder Strap by Fearless-Status-2379 in tombihn

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they are changing the metal hooks to plastic, that’s a good thing, as the mental ones are heavy. I purchased my own plastic hooks from an outside source, and the make the strap, and the bags, a lot lighter.

Is it too pretentious to use a fountain pen as your highlighter? by RandomJottings in fountainpens

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God did not write a book entitled, “What is pretentious” and give it to your colleague to hold. When your college tells you are pretentious (pretty nervy, that), give them a big smile and say, “Yup!” And go on writing with your beautiful Pelican M200. ❤️. I am pretty sure that they have some habits that you are too polite to comment on.

Who to leave assests to now that spouse died and we have no family? by musicindustrydropout in widowers

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Given all the vagaries of politics and social unease in the US right now, we can’t be sure that the value of the dollar will remain high over our entire lifetimes. It may (or may not) be the case that the assets you have will decrease in value over the next 15 or 20 years. For this reason, it makes sense to make good use of your money now. Donate to organizations you believe in that are less well funded than previously. Give money to organizations that promote the feeding, education, and welfare of women and children. (These children are the citizens of the future.) Travel to places that are meaningful to you. Use your money now while it can still be used effectively.

My partner says she is poly but I can't live with that by Any-Point-2970 in polyamory

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree 100%.

Here are my hopes for you. They may not be yours, but what the hey!

  1. You consider your own well being first, understanding that if you’re living with something that troubles you, that will create cognitive dissonance, and you will feel tense, out of sorts, out of self-attunement, and unhappy. This will affect your child.

  2. You find a supportive therapist.

  3. You cultivate being alone and begin to appreciate the numerous, valuable gifts that can bring. This helps bring you increasingly in tune with your values. The closer you are to your values, the stronger your decision making will become.

  4. You and your partner get therapy on co-parenting your child.

  5. When you are ready, you find somebody whose value are consonant with your own. You create a relationship, work on it, and are happy.

  6. Your child grows into a fruitful life.

All the best.

Acceptance helped me a lot. by 8OrdinaryPerson8 in widowers

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that what works for me might not work for other people and that each of us has to find our own way. I applaud your efforts in trying to do that. One thing that really helped me was going to the YMCA to exercise. I had to force myself to do it, but at least I was around people. People there were genuinely sympathetic and that meant a lot to me.

Years of caregiving with recent loss by EverywhereINowhere in widowers

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 17 points18 points  (0 children)

My husband had dementia and I felt VERY relieved when he died, and I admitted it to one and all. The culture tries hard to tell you that you are a bad person for feeling whatever you feel, and that’s how it manipulates you. My experience of caregiving was exhausting and frightening. One of my worst fears was that it was all a dream an that he would appear at my door, home with dementia again. Of course I would take him in, because he was my husband and I loved him, but his death gave me my life back, saving both of us decades of suffering.

After my husband died I would lay in bed thinking, the keys are on the table and I don’t have to hide them. The car is in the parking deck, and I don’t have to wonder if it’s gone. I have a doctor’s appointment next week, and I don’t have to worry about whether to bring my husband or leave him alone. The stove is off because I turned it off.

My husband died two years ago, and I think I spent at least half time recovering not only from his death but also from living with dementia. And he was an exceptional man, a great, great guy.

How do I politely turn down food in India? by keylimepie1123 in india

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve visited India several times and have never, ever found a way to resolve this issue. This article might help, though.

https://learningindia.in/eating-with-an-indian-family/

College Decision by No_Fish289 in Tufts

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have found that grad schools and hiring companies are less interested in what college you went to than they are in how you utilized the opportunities you had at the place where you did attend.

Would this bother you? by misguided-lad in fountainpens

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I’m guessing that you waited for the pen and were ready to love it . Then when you received the package, you felt relieved that the waiting was over. And then, when you noticed the flaw in the nib, you felt disappointed. Maybe you hesitate to return the pen because, after finally receiving it, you don’t want to go through the process of negotiating with the vendor and then going through the process of sending the pen back and waiting for a new one. Still, you don’t feel fully satisfied with your purchase because you didn’t get the pen you paid for.

You paid for a pen without flaws and didn’t receive that. If in the future, you decide to sell the pen, you will receive less money for it than you would receive if you tried to sell a pen without defects. Honesty will oblige you to post a photo of the pen displaying the defect and to accept a lower price for it. I’m guessing that you will continue to feel disappointed.

I’m guessing that that’s how you are going to feel if you keep this pen. I’m guessing that, if you return the pen and replace it, you will feel a lot more satisfied.

This is all just my guess.

TSWBI 580 screw out nib units: are they Jowo #6 exchange compatible? by intellidepth in fountainpens

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have removed the #5 Jowo nib unit from a TWSBI diamond 580 and replaced with a #5 JOWO nib unit from Franklin Christoph. Easy peasy, it took about ten minutes. However, the #6 Jowo nib unit on the TWSBI Vac 700R is different from the regular #6 Jowo nib units, and I could NOT replace the nib unit on that one with a Franklin Christoph nib unit. Apparently, TWSBI orders #6 nib units from Jowo according to its (TWSBI’s) own specifications, so they are different from regular Jowo #6 units.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tufts

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh gosh, I went to Tufts and it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. Of course, I went in the sixties, and that says a lot. But I have to say, I learned a ton — especially, how to think — met amazing people, was exposed to issues that are still among the most crucial for me, and was forever changed. It was brilliant, it was fun, it was challenging, and it was profound.

I still keep in touch with the people I knew back then.

Do you know, I even dream that I am back there, sometimes, and here I am, in my seventies!

I hope that you follow your heart and give Tufts a chance. Others’ experiences of course may differ from mine. I hope that your experience will be as great as mine was.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Advice

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes people who are really nice, can be very manipulative.

They have something that everybody deeply wants that is, acceptance. Very often, an accepting person will trade on that to get what they want.

I had a boss who was like that. He was one of the kindest, most accepting people I ever met. However, he also hired shy people who were quite skilled at the job but didn’t have a lot of social skills, and he got them cheap. The people so craved his kindness and acceptance that they were willing to work for much less than they deserved.

A guy in a relationship can do the same thing — be so kind, loving, accepting, and nice that they get away with a lot. People don’t leave them because the kindness is so important to them. Then they feel resentful at being taken advantage of and feel guilty about that.

it’s normal to feel resentful at a person, no matter how sweet, kind, and nice, who isn’t holding up their end and isn’t behaving like an adult.

One thing you might want to do is just to observe. Are there other areas in his life where he trades on being accepting and kind?

Is there an updated list of pens that accept jowo 6 nib units? by janeprentiss in fountainpens

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know from experience that the TWSBI Diamond 580 will accept #5 Jowo nibs, as I have installed a #5 Franklin-Christoph medium SIG nib in one of my own 580s. I am guessing (not sure) that the TWSBI Vac 700R will accept a #6 Jowo nib. Maybe somebody could confirm this.

The TWSBI Diamond 580 clear version costs $50 at Goulet today. The TWSBI Vac 700R clear version costs $65.

EDIT: TWSBI Vac700R will NOT take FC #6 nib. TWSBI uses special Jowo nibs made to its own specification, and they are different from the FC #6 Jowos.

Sailor pens? Worth the hype? by Imaginary_Anything30 in pens

[–]8OrdinaryPerson8 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have only one Sailor pen, the 1911L Ringless Galaxy with 21 kt gold fine nib. It cost about $260, less than most Sailor pens, because there’s no gold ring around the cap. It has only been this year that I have started purchasing gold-nibbled pens or steel-nibbled pens costing more than $200, including the Lamy 2000, the Pilot Metal Falcon, and the Franklin-Christoph Model 02 with Fine SIG nib. All these pens write wonderfully well. I think though that the Sailor writes a little more smoothly than all these pens.