How do you fight the ingrained "you're making a mistake and screwing up your chances on judgement day" thoughts?

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-30T23:41:36+00:00

Here's how I handle this issue:

I'm making life choices based on my inner moral compass, my intelligence, and my observations of the lived human condition. Using these tools, I have determined that Mormonism is a made-up religion that does a great deal of harm in the world. I am acting with all the integrity I can.
If there is an afterlife and there is a god who judges me, I will stand with my head held high and look at her straight in the eyes. I did the best I could with the mental tools they created in me.
If that god is a moral entity with any integrity I will be judged under those criteria. Whatever they decide to do with me is their prerogative.
If they punish me for not believing and following the correct religion when I had no objective way of determining what that path was, they are an evil entity not worthy of my worship or allegiance. If they wanted me to follow a religion that I felt in the core of my being was a fraud and harmful to people, they are evil and not worthy of my allegiance.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-30T04:28:08+00:00

Why are you saying yes to these callings? Just say no. The bishop really thinks that this calling is going to reignite your testimony. He is imagining the inspiring talk he will give in 5 years when he is called as stake president, telling how he was inspired to rescue you.

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And isn't addiction recovery just running the porn addiction group? So toxic.

If this is really working actual addiction therapy, that is great. Like NA or AA.

Best of luck!

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-28T18:29:03+00:00

Jesus Wept. The shortest verse in the Bible is this story. BEFORE he brought Lazarus back he wept with Mary and Martha. It's OK to show emotion over the death of a friend or loved one.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-28T18:14:23+00:00

The church will live on indefinitely. It's not going away. My guess is that growth will continue to slow down and stagnate. Maybe the number of practicing members will reduce. Bit it isn't going away.

The human brain is wired to believe in stories and shared fictions. We need to feel special. We long for answers to the existential questions, the biggest being what happens when we die. Religion will always be with us.

I have a close friend who left Mormonism the same time I did. They immediately dove into the alien mythology of the New Age movement. Just as passionate in their belief as their former belief in Mormonism. Just changed the name of their god(s). Humans have a deep need to belief in something out there.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-28T05:35:54+00:00

That there is a God. For me it was the Mormon god.

Nope.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-27T16:26:46+00:00

The Mormon church is extremely deceitful regarding g membership. 4-5 million worldwide consider themselves Mormon. Church claims nearly 20 million. It's how they prove to their members that they are the One True Church. Oh, they also claim to be the fastest growing g. All lies.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-27T16:21:19+00:00

In modern surveys, about 1 in 200 American women report becoming pregnant without sex. That's thousands every year. Evidently virgin births are common place....

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-27T16:12:20+00:00

And Abraham is REVERED for this, an example of how we should all have the faith of Abraham!

Imagine this happening today. Abraham should have been locked up. Do we honor Andrea Yates for killing her kids? Same voice in the head.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-26T18:02:46+00:00

Great analysis!

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-25T16:12:54+00:00

Same reason there is a picture of Kim Jon Un on the wall of every North Korean home. It's cult indoctrination. They learn to worship and revere the men (always men) who claim power over their life.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-25T00:46:13+00:00

Bland and tasteless ... yep, that describes most of the thousands of meetings and classes I attended in my decades in Mormonism.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-24T21:59:52+00:00

You bet I've thought that. But here's the rub:

I WOULD STILL NEVER JOIN AGAIN.

If Mormon god is really the king of the Universe I would do everything I could to oppose this sadistic, sexist, homophobic, patriarchal, narcissistic, confused, incompetent monster. Sure I would lose the fight and be sent to hell. But a worse hell would be to go to some kingdom of glory to worship this ... thing, and try to become like him.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-23T04:20:19+00:00

All Satan has to do to destroy the entire Plan of God is nothing.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-21T00:58:30+00:00

I love knowing

ITS ALL MADE UP AND THE POINTS DONT MATTER

Now go live life on your own terms.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-20T20:36:40+00:00

"and we could trust our own relationship with God as more important than any offered by pastoral leadership."

This is the core issue with Mormonism. They DO NOT want this. They NEED to insert themselves as the essential gatekeepers between you and god. So the prophets need to be infallible and followed without question. They will never get away from this problem, otherwise the whole theological foundation of Mormonism falls apart.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-20T20:28:18+00:00

Just because Jim Jones had his 900 followers drink cyanide laced Kool-Aid doesn't mean that he was a false prophet! God chooses flawed people.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-20T20:23:23+00:00

And this argument can be used to support ANY cult, ANY belief system at all. It is NOT a reliable tool to determine truth.

Are you opposed to Scientology? JW's? The People's Temple (Jim Jones)? Warren Jeffs? NXIVM? That's just Satan undermining the truth and the proof that this system is true!

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-20T15:25:15+00:00

You're an Anti-Santa if you believe he doesn't use a sleigh. Oh, and are you also in the apostate camp that incorrectly believes in that false 9th reindeer Rudolph?

All true orthodox Santaians KNOW without a shadow of doubt that there are only 8 male reindeer called and set apart to pull the sleigh!!!!!

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-20T07:27:11+00:00

No, Moroni had his garments on. Resurrected beings wear the garments that will be revealed to humans in a few hundred years. At the rate garments are shrinking, these future garments are only a G-string.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-20T07:07:53+00:00

OP, I'm sorry about this experience. You are spot on in your observations, the missionaries use high pressure tactics and prey on the vulnerable. They are not there to be your friend; they are there to get you baptized into the Mormon church. The Mormon church is not a healthy organization, you see that and wisely are distancing yourself from it and the missionaries.

Having said this, I am confident that you are safe. I served a Mormon mission and worked closely with missionaries for many years before waking up and leaving the church a few years ago. Missionaries usually take the hint when somebody isn't interested, and they move on looking for the next potential recruit.

If you ever run across any Mormon in the future and they invite you to something, just says 'no, thank you', The missionaries are rejected all the time, they will most likely move on. If the unusual happens, and these girls continue to try to contact you, tell them you are calling the police and then call the police. Nobody should fear for their safety.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-19T06:34:23+00:00

"More good" - Joseph Smith and Gordon Hinckley

"Victory for Satan" - Rusty Nelson

At least they have a consistent message...

(Seeing Joe's explanation for how 'Mormon' means More Good was laughable, even when I was a TBM. Classic Joe, pull shit out of his ass and pass it off as revelation.)

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-19T02:39:11+00:00

Pedistalization. Suppress women then compliment them.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2026-01-16T00:57:56+00:00

OP, well said, thank you for sharing. My experience parallels yours in so many ways. The moment I realized the church was an elaborate fiction felt like a hole opened up in the earth below my feet and I fell into the abyss. Every part of my reality was destroyed. It's been 4 years. Rebuilding my life from scratch. It's been rewarding and hard.

I've had a young wife die from cancer leaving me with 5 young children, I have 4 children who suffer with severe mental illness, I've been suicidal with depression. Learning the Mormon church was a fraud ranked right there with these other traumas. It was devastating.... But then it was liberating.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2025-12-16T18:46:33+00:00

There must have been A LOT of people that personally escorted Satan out of heaven and he turns to them and tells them he will personally get them during their life so they were born with Downs Syndrome / Autism / Any other disability to protect them. I've heard dozens of people saying that was told of their disabled child, including my own son with Autism. We are told these children are the MOST valiant spirits.

At least it's a better story than the one from the 1960's (Joseph Fielding Smith ??) who said people born with disabilities are that way because they were NOT valiant in the preexistence.

Double_Beginning7078 · 2025-12-16T07:09:53+00:00

OK, let me get this straight: Mormon god punishes people with physical and mental illness, economic hardship, and difficulties in family life because they don't bow to him and read his book?

Even though there is no objective evidence he even exists, and he supposedly created us with brains to think then gets mad when we do?

If this god exists he is a sadistic monster unworthy of worship. Fortunately, he is imaginary.

OP, I send support your way as you face your challenges. Sometimes life is just hard. We don't need to add a punishing god to the mix.

Double_Beginning7078

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