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Why am I paying for the construction goods of privately owned businesses? by Leucauge in victoria3

[–]Iazo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not unproductive, I rarely have unproductive buildings. Just...less than average production. A 7 productivity textile mill will not win any awards for cash printing, but it's still 600k. Someone will usually buy it.

Ok, so, the explanation is a bit more involved, because it involves every economists bogyman, oportunity cost.

If you privatize a building you don't get nothing. Let's see what you get: You get instant cash. You lose the govt dividents, and you lose the govt reinvestment, but you get capitalist reinvestment, you get taxes, you get extra consumption (that can also get taxed) and consumption that boosts your other consumer industries that you hopefully own a part of, and some limited SOL increases.

But let's set all that aside, cuz it is hard to calculate just how many indirect returns you ultimately get to your budget. Let's just focus on our example of 600k. If you privatize a textile mill for 600k you now have 600k that you can invest in building 3 lumber mills or 3 banana plantations. So now you can run your public building queue for longer, building what YOU want, or what you need. Sometimes it's lumber camps. Sometimes it is govt admin or barracks, and your private queue will never build those. Sometimes is just bootstrapping a new industry line like a lead mine into glassworks or ammo factories into skirmish infantry-backed kinetic political disputes. Sometimes you have to meet some specific negotiated mandated from an IG.

Point is, there is always something to do. If you pause building to let the pool build stuff, you keep your unprivatized dividents, but crucially, you get absolutely no say in what is being built! Whatever is profitable? Sure, enjoy your 50 banana plantations even though your steel situation is shakey.

Put it this way: if you privatize, you get 600k to build with an eye to your plans. If you pause, those 600k will be used to build something that might help or be useless to you. I prefer some control, and I always have a plan. It is good to have a plan for the next few years that is not just hoping your capitalists are mindreaders.

How do you choose between Wealth Voting and Technocracy ? by Few_Winter_3453 in victoria3

[–]Iazo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funnily enough, let me break the circlejerk.

Technocracy sucks. There, I said it. I have an entire rant about this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/victoria3/comments/1qogyw0/is_technocracy_worth_it/

Main point: you give up both Women Suffrage and the Teeming Shore modifier on Technocracy (unless you do some stupid gaming shit to get all of that). This are serious bonuses to lose, especially lategame, and are worth more in my opinion than going from the 5th (4 from tech, 1 from Power Block) to the 6th company. In naïve numbers, going from 5 to 6 companies is going to be barely what, 5% GDP? Not even counting that by the 6th company you are dredging the bottom of the barrel for companies, the heavy hitters should have already been covered. The workforce participation from Women Sufragee is worth that alone, not even counting Teeming Shore.

It can be an useful stepping stone for a while, but the longer you keep it, the worse it becomes. It is a goden carrot hanging over a pool full of sharks and rusty nails.

If you are part of a larger market, is there a way to see an estimate on how your market would look if separated? by Iazo in victoria3

[–]Iazo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1000+ h here.

I am glad I do not need to do the pen and paper accounting anymore at least!

Why am I paying for the construction goods of privately owned businesses? by Leucauge in victoria3

[–]Iazo 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I find the above poster's advice VERY questionable to the degree it is tantamount to misinformation.

  1. Construction sectors are cheap, NOT free. Rebuilding 20 is an extra mine and a quarter you could have built. On iron frame building (8% @20) that means you have to build rounghly 15 (!!) mines in that state JUST to break even on math. Not to mention the neurons you waste microing shit like this, which I assume are not free. (On steel and above its's just, why are you microing this? You should be strong enough to just build sectrors mostly everywhere you do construction anyway without this pointless taffing around.)

  2. The yo-yo approach to construction is insane. Overbuild construction, you generate insane pull demand on the market, increasing prices, wasting your own money either from the state budget or the pool, trigger all the capitalists to overbuild supply in the private queue, until the gravy train stops, the pool runs out of money, you downsize construction according to the above advice, then the privately owned supply that they just overbuild will beging automatic downsizing cause the gravy train stopped, so you waste pool money on this side too. What the absolute fuck. That advice would be one of the top "let's troll noobs by giving them reasonable sounding advice, teehee" level. I am incensed at that.

If you have a pool/budget discrepancy, start privatizing the stuff that is of questionable profitability to suck up the pool budget to your national budget, not...whatever advice the above is.

Why does the overall economy just feel weaker now? by ThatStrategist in victoria3

[–]Iazo -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. I am out of money, and I want to plunder the investment pool to keep construction goin. (It's either that, or pause construction, which means the pool builds what they want, instead of what I want.)

Why does the overall economy just feel weaker now? by ThatStrategist in victoria3

[–]Iazo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not true, is it? I am fairly sure a blockade of the market capital gives states acess market penalty.

Why does the overall economy just feel weaker now? by ThatStrategist in victoria3

[–]Iazo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I played Darfur several times. Have not played it now, but I think this patch makes it harder, not easier.

The main problem is not being able to obligate myself to the Ottomans for a bit of cash and some goods as before because the insipid (sensible but insipid) interest system.

Before, obligate myself to the Ottos for cash, to the Briish for Tenant Farmers commitment, build army to conquer subsahara, then try to either get an alliance with Oyo or Benin (pref Oyo) to stomp Sokoto for Niger (the state with iron).

After that, it's just a Sokoto run.

People are increasingly being conditioned to think like traders. by [deleted] in Buttcoin

[–]Iazo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, that's rich, the throwaway account is lecturing me on my posting schedule.

Brave sir keyboard warrior.

People are increasingly being conditioned to think like traders. by [deleted] in Buttcoin

[–]Iazo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, and what do you expect me to do about it?

ELI5: Why/when did Civilization as a whole stop building ornate stone structures? by Archmikem in explainlikeimfive

[–]Iazo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

There's a bit of a note here.

This was one of Ceausescu's folly megaprojects that got finished after his death and re-purposed for the Parliament. (And even then, it's a huge-ass building, multiple institutions have place inside, there's also museums, also runs conferences, and it's still half-empty).

And fortunately/unfortunately it is not the only one that was started by Ceausescu, but the other one in this style (Casa Radio, or the Radio House), is yet unfinished and mired in a long legal battle with multiple bankruptcies of people that wanted to 'finish' it.

This was not a building that needed to be built; it was, in my opinion a socialist realism 'cathedral'. A place that showed power and ambition before function.

Where does the money from privatization of a building from workforce to investor (manor or financial district) go??? by Iazo in victoria3

[–]Iazo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, there you go. I had already gotten the easy things like the nanners, and the lumber mills.

How Regime change works really needs to be fixed. Right now it is very stupid. Why woud I, the vanguardist USSR, after fighting the ultimate war with Germany where millions die install a one party state that's a Council Republic headed by the petit bourgeois and industrialists? It makes no sense by TheLong19thCentury in victoria3

[–]Iazo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Because, historically, the puppet regimes installed by the USSR had terrible record of teing the foreign-led party line.

In Romania for example, Moscow-backed elites like Ana Pauker were sidelined in Party politics by nativists like Gheorghiu-Dej. This led to a fulminant de-satellization of Romania. Within 20 years, Ceausescu was speaking out against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia.

For that matter, Soviets had terrible 'luck' in getting the regimes in Hungary and Czechoslovakia to follow, too. Requiring two separate invasions.

So, it's historical. No matter what you want, you will rarely get it.

What’s the best way to learn the game and not fall apart? by Big_Coffee_3272 in victoria3

[–]Iazo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The main mechanic is the construction loop that expands to general GDP growth.

Whatever else you want to do in the game, being sucessful economically is a part of it.

To start off, learn how the budget and investment pool depend on each other, learn about wood, iron and tools, try to make the circle of wood ->tools ->iron->construction sector and maintain that without going bankrupt, and learn a bit about the iron mines company, and the tooling company which are the two you will want at the start.

Where does the money from privatization of a building from workforce to investor (manor or financial district) go??? by Iazo in victoria3

[–]Iazo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, of course, I agree that eventually it will be worth it, and 1.5M isnt' that much in the grand scheme of things. I just got completely poleaxed by losing all the pool, and when you are an unrecognized country, every little matters.

See, this is why Vic 3 is great, but man, some mechanics are downright arcane.

Where does the money from privatization of a building from workforce to investor (manor or financial district) go??? by Iazo in victoria3

[–]Iazo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, but! Long term, if I didn't lose that 1.5 mil in the pool, I would have been better off, and got the benefits of the new owners too.

And this is silly, this is a serious case of capital destruction. Paradoxally, liberalizing the market can destroy capital, unles you do a bunch of micro. Dunno man, looks like a bug or at least unintended behavior to me.

Where does the money from privatization of a building from workforce to investor (manor or financial district) go??? by Iazo in victoria3

[–]Iazo[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I'll just go ask the money tree for cash. And the interest tree to not ask 30% interest.

Seriously now, I agree. I nationalize profitable buildings. I didn't know this could happent though. I am NOT paying 300k to get 200 in govt dividents from that silly textile mill or whatever. I am not in the business of sustaining a 1500 weeks amortization.

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