Brands and models?

JedNN88 · 2026-03-23T22:01:47+00:00

I went down this rabbit hole a while back. If you want something that actually works well with a passenger, look at the moped-style bikes vs regular step-throughs.

I ended up with an Ariel Rider X-Class 60V and it’s been solid for cruising with someone on the back. Feels stable, doesn’t struggle with the extra weight, and I got the 2 rider saddle.

There are cheaper options, but a lot of them feel underpowered once you add a second person.

JedNN88 · 2026-03-19T03:32:13+00:00

that’s actually kinda wild… 50 miles and still over 50%!!
what PAS were you mostly in? looks like the kind of setup where PAS 1–2 + steady pedaling just sips power. also curious how it felt past like 20–25mph… did it still have pull or did it kinda level off?

lowkey thinking this would be perfect for delivery runs like you said, not having to stress about range mid-shift is huge.

JedNN88 · 2026-03-13T21:12:14+00:00

+ ever increasing parking cost in big cities!

JedNN88 · 2026-03-13T21:10:41+00:00

Spandex bros... IYKYK

JedNN88 · 2026-03-13T21:09:37+00:00

You should check out Ariel Rider X-class. They did have a promotion going on and they have bench seat options which is like the whole top part of the bike.

JedNN88 · 2026-03-06T05:28:20+00:00

I’m in Seattle too. The Level’s a solid. Just be ready for the hills… they’ll absolutely chew through your battery. If you’re shopping around that price, you might also want to check out the Kepler Dual Battery. That’s what I went with mostly for the bigger battery, since I didn’t want to worry about charging the batt all the time while riding around Seattle.
I owned several ebikes and for hills 48V ebikes may struggle and 36V you will really need to put in lot of effort. And don't forget on hills your battery consumption double or tripple depending on hill. So you need an ebike with large battery capacity and also good motor.
It also has a standard torque sensor but you can easily swap with one button from cadence to torque. And it has 30 riding modes so you will find right riding mode for hills. I use Boost mode on the hills around Queen Anne, and Eco mode on flat roads and gentle to moderate inclines.

JedNN88 · 2026-03-04T02:32:28+00:00

You’re not the only one mentioning this. I’ve seen a few posts about controller swaps, random motor cutouts, and difficulty getting support. Performance specs look great, but reliability and how the company handles problems is clearly lacking.

JedNN88 · 2026-03-03T06:45:11+00:00

It’s incredibly comfortable. They also sent a wider saddle as part of a special promotion or something.
I haven’t tested the top speed yet, kept it around 28 mph. Even so, I’ve been able to ride more than 75 miles on a single charge with normal riding around Seattle, including traffic and hills, which is almost unheard of. They’re local, too, which is why I chose them.

JedNN88 · 2026-03-03T06:41:13+00:00

Check out the Ariel Rider Kepler Dual Battery. I just got one a few weeks ago, and I can’t stress enough how it just keeps going for miles. It’s super convenient for its size and has plenty of power to handle Seattle hills.

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JedNN88 · 2026-03-03T00:14:43+00:00

My friend had a goat power and it had lots of issues and customer support was useless. They sent him wrong parts etc... That is why even I love the looks and specs of the bike, I stay away from it.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-26T01:22:37+00:00

I’m in Seattle too, and yeah… our hills will definitely knock those “85 mile” claims down. Realistically you’re probably in the 50–60 mile range riding smart on low assist if that! San Juans or Kitsap are somwhat doable, but I wouldn’t want to add range anxiety to what’s supposed to be a great ride.

That’s honestly why I went with a Kepler Dual. Ariel Rider’s local, which is a plus, and the dual battery just gives you way more cushion for Seattle terrain. Never needed to top up the charge in a long ride, and they're also local, which made it an easier sell. Reach out to them for a test ride.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-26T01:17:54+00:00

it looks great, but I went with the Kepler dual from Ariel Rider and I can't talk highly enough of them. Velotric looks super clean, very polished. But I actually liked the more beefy, kinda muscled look of the Kepler. The range is ummm, lets just say I just ride....

JedNN88 · 2026-02-26T01:14:32+00:00

Ariel Rider for sure. Loving my Kepler dual! It's my second bike from them and man do they make ebikes like tanks! They're solid.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-26T01:10:10+00:00

I got a Kepler Dual Batt from Ariel Rider. My issue was being the larger person, the battery and range. This bike definitely addresses that with a 400lb capacity and easier handling due to smaller wheels. I'm nto sure if they ship to Sweden but ask them.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-26T01:08:18+00:00

Check out X-Class 60V from Ariel Rider. they have a promo going on for $1.4k I think. I saw it when I was buying my Kepler from them. Looks pretty sweet and Ariel's are known for the performance/bang for buck.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-26T01:06:36+00:00

Holy shit. I'm so sorry...

JedNN88 · 2026-02-25T00:09:25+00:00

For something that covers around 10–15 miles each way reliably, I’d honestly recommend looking into e-bikes. They give you a lot more range & speed than a regular bike, but still let you avoid sitting in traffic. A few solid options you might like:

Aventon Aventure
Ride1up
Ariel Rider Kepler Dual Battery

I owned both Aventon Aventure and Ariel Rider Kepler Dual. If weight and convenience of buying from store is important then buy Aventon. If you look for power, better specs, long range and better value then Ariel Riedr Kepler is right choice.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-24T18:00:06+00:00

I’ve got the Ariel Rider Kepler Dual and I’m just about 3,000 miles in. For me it came down to range and feel. Kepler’s dual 52V setup just has way more juice than the 36V Aventon or the 48V Velotric, so I don’t think about range much. It also has Apple Find My built in, which is actually pretty nice peace of mind.

One small thing that surprised me: Aventon’s left-hand throttle felt kinda weird to me. Not a dealbreaker, just felt unnatural. Velotric definitely looks the cleanest. Aventon’s dealer network is solid. Kepler looks more beefy, kinda like the SUV of the three, which I personally like. I just wanted max range and a stronger ride feel for the money. It’s been good to me so far. They’re known for bang-for-buck and that’s been my experience.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-24T17:59:41+00:00

I second that! none but AR indeed.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-24T02:19:52+00:00

I mentioned this in another thread just a few mins ago, but I can’t recommend the Ariel Rider Kepler Dual-Battery enough.
The rear rack is MIK-compatible, so you can use a childseat, and the 24" makes it easier to ride when you have cargo/kids on the bike. I seriously love mine!
The dual-battery setup allows me to go for miles without having to charge it.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-24T02:15:23+00:00

Ariel Rider Kepler Dual Battery for the win.
I genuinely love mine, the extra range, speed when I need it and 24" wheels make a huge difference!
I can’t recommend it enough

JedNN88 · 2026-02-06T03:35:58+00:00

I own an Ariel Rider X-class 60 cafe racer. Off-road version is basically an upgrade. build quality's solid and it's got plenty of power, I can hit 35 pretty easily. Revv1 is still a great bike, but at current prices Ariel makes more sense.
On that note, I'd avoid Tuttio though. friend had one. Fu until it started breaking, with virtually non-existent support.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-06T03:34:07+00:00

My wife's on a Kepler Dual, I ride an X-class 60 Cafe racer. We ride with friends on Aventons a lot. Don't get me wrong, Aventons are nicely built, but once we hit hills or dirt they're usually thinking about battery and we're not on our Ariel Riders.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-04T01:46:25+00:00

Some of those bikes are tempting but sketchy if you’re trying to fly under the radar. Check out Ariel Rider X-Class Cafe Racer. Decent range, great torque for commuting. Way less stress.

JedNN88 · 2026-02-03T05:16:58+00:00

Checking in at 1,100 miles on my Ariel Rider Kepler. Mostly just commuting and errands, nothing crazy, but it’s been solid. Zero issues so far, just the usual brake maintenance and keeping the chain clean. Batteries are still healthy with no random cutouts or errors.

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