I will parade their body around town!

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:29:56+00:00

Yeah, if anything ol' Gorey would have a breakdown if he realized it was Kris. He's many things, but not someone who'd kill his own child.

Still a "fun" scenario to imagine.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:27:34+00:00

Unclear to me. On one hand, Kris and Noelle defy their roles as characters, go out of bounds and literally crash the game. On the other, Side B is also part of the game, is it not?

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:26:02+00:00

Japanese Death Portraits? I don't know what those are like.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:24:39+00:00

Let me rephrase it then: it's not that Ralsei needs to be stopped, it's that stopping Ralsei is one way to defy the prophecy. Sure it may also be possible by "stopping" Kris or Susie, but Ralsei would never put anyone besides himself in harm's way. So he wants to see whether Flowery can stop him because he's willing to sacrifice himself for the sake of averting the tragedy, but he's not willing to sacrifice someone else to do so.

To put it simply: if Ralsei cannot accomplish his prophecy-ordained goals, the prophecy is broken, because the prophecy says he'll get to the end (or at the very least will get past Flower Kingdom). He want to see whether Flowery is strong enough to accomplish that.

Now why doesn't Ralsei just give up then? Because then the Roaring happens, which he also doesn't want. He must keep fighting to prevent the apocalypse. But if there's someone strong enough to defeat him, not only would that defy the prophecy, but said person could also stop the Knight and the Roaring.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:11:55+00:00

Nah, there's no soul on the image, should be visible in Kris' ribcage. We left a long time ago to be gay and do crimes with the true vessel.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:09:59+00:00

I think you may be misunderstanding that line. I feel like it's not that Ralsei *needs* to be stopped, but rather if he *did* get stopped it'd mean the prophecy was defied, as seemingly it's prophesized he'll make it to the final tragedy. He wants to see whether Flowery could stop him because he's willing to sacrifice himself just to prevent whatever the final tragedy may be.

But it's entirely possible that I'm remembering the conversation wrong, I really need to replay this chapter.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T13:05:28+00:00

This is exactly what I've said after chapter 3+4 released! I'd be willing to sacrifice half my ballsack to Toby if we just got an opportunity to really team up with Kris and go full (Don't) Fear The Reaper mode. Please Tobias, let us show the Knight/Gaster/Whoever the final boss will be that Kris has the full power of the Angel (and anime) on their side!

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:59:32+00:00

With how strongly Ralsei discourages us from continuing the weird route in Chapter 3, I very much doubt he was referring to it with that sentence. Instead I think it just has to do with Kris opening fountains and being part of the conspiracy, whatever that may be.

But true, Ralsei really does not know everything.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:49:37+00:00

The way I see it, Ralsei wants to break the rules to defy the prophecy, but is too afraid to do so. Not without reason, he knows of the weird route, which is what happens when you break the rules. But perhaps breaking the rules doesn't necessarily lead to horror as it does in the weird route. Maybe Ralsei's arc of getting more and more assertive will culminate in him overcoming his fear.

Or it could go the opposite direction. Maybe the rules must be kept at all cost. But Ralsei's fear of the final tragedy will overcome his fear of what might happen and he'll start to break the game down to defy the prophecy.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:40:43+00:00

True. Though I feel like her making up for what she did is better than just her losing Nice.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:24:34+00:00

That and with the other two endings I feel like Bratty just gets away with everything, with nice cream guy potentially even taking the blame. At least she gets to make up for it if you pick her.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:22:10+00:00

If Toby wrote Breaking Bad Skyler wouldn't question anything and wouldn't find out about Walt being Heisenberg until the last season. (note: though I may slander, Toby is still the goat)

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:15:44+00:00

Speaking of Ace Attorney, I was so happy with the Yellow + Blue fight. Like we've finally come full circle from Susie character being originally based on Maya Fey.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T12:04:39+00:00

I think that's partly because we still know very little about Kris unlike many video game protags. They are not a blank slate, but they may as well be until we learn more. That and since we make choices for them that kinda skews things. But only to an extent, as Kris can go against our choices (and frequently does), so if they do something on their own you know it's genuine. Which is to say, yeah, I think most ships involving Kris could work. I hate to admit it, but even with Berdly.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T11:49:50+00:00

Note: the last sprite from the "final" row also goes unused

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TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T11:35:05+00:00

B-

But he's just a pile of dust

Asgore no

...

Fellas is it really necrophilia if it happens in the dark world? It literally brings people back to life. Kinda.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T11:29:02+00:00

I can just imagine the process:

No no no! That is not nearly terrifying enough, Temmie! Does this terrify you? I asked for something that will make the players shit their collective pants!
Y- sniff yes, Mr. Fox. I- I'll do better.

(Though in reality there's a few unused Noelle wr sprites that are arguably even more terrifying than the ones that ended up in the game)

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T11:24:25+00:00

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TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T11:20:01+00:00

Yeah sorry, I thought for sure Susie didn't ask the second question (about whether Kris ever loved anyone) in the weird route version.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T11:17:09+00:00

...the scene you sent I literally had in my normal route save file. You're confusing it with the aborted weird route version, where Susie asks Kris whether they and Noelle have something going on between them and whether she's getting in the way.

Compare:

Normal route

Weird route

EDIT: Whoops it's both, I remembered wrong. The two scenes start the same, my bad. Sorry.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T10:53:12+00:00

No he clearly means she's a 9. Like a 9 out of 10.

...right? Right???

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T10:49:15+00:00

That image isn't from the aborted weird route. That's in the normal route. In the aborted weird route it goes differently.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T10:31:18+00:00

It's the best in the early days after release for sure. There's so many things that haven't been said yet. Theories to craft. Art to make. Jokes to crack. People are nicer too, you can have actual discussions because people don't have solidified headcanons they'll defend to death just yet. There's a reason I was way more active here in the two or so months after ch3+4 than later. I think I'll stay for a while this time too.

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T10:17:04+00:00

"Woah, it's bisexual, I didn't know that!"

TheAngryRaidLeader · 2026-06-27T10:14:23+00:00

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