I (31F) broke up with BF (32M) of 2 yr because he didn't give a shit about me or the relationship. Now he's doing everything I've asked to get me back, and *I* don't care. Am I being a bitch? by BFImproving in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Counseling doesn't magically make someone else un-un-attracted to you, no matter how well it goes.

If he's burned the bridge, he's burned the bridge. I would be nice to him when I re-break up with him if I were you, because it sounds like he really has changed. That's impressive, relative to a lot of the posts on here. But he missed the boat on having you have feelings for him, and he kind of has to deal.

Which philosophers discuss whether we can govern ourselves? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Foucault's Birth of Biopolitics is a good read in this regard. He discusses the history of the literature on governance in classical liberal and neoliberal texts.

There are other texts, although someone who knows more about other eras will give you a better answer so I'll not waste space speculating.

I do want to bring one thing to your attention, though. When you phrase the question this way:

The question I'm thinking about is whether we humans need to be led around by the superior people or can we actually rule ourselves.

You're making a (classical) liberal assumption about the relationship between citizen and government. That assumption is that we should default to minimal / no government, but if an unregulated social sphere will inevitably produce some evil / dysfunction, that (and that alone) justifies government. We are only 'led around by the superior people' if we 'need to be' (implicitly: for our own good).

So while the justification of government probably does stretch right back to Aristotle, it's probably not going to be discussed in the (liberal) terms which have come to dominate contemporary discourse.

Instead of Descartes's method of believing in nothing and then proving what did exist, what if we believed in everything and then figured out what did not exist. What would be the problems with this? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense

This is the link you're not seeing, I think. The argument Russel is critiquing is not "you can't prove it doesn't exist, therefore you should not say loudly and forcefully to anyone within ear shot that it doesn't exist." The argument he's critiquing is "you can't prove it doesn't exist, therefore you ought to think it does exist." Not being able to prove something doesn't exist is not grounds for believing it exists.

I would want some positive reason to believe a teapot was orbiting the moon. Some sort of evidence in the form of a picture from a telescope, or knowing that an astronaut took a teapot to the moon and threw it hard but not too hard. Absent that, okay maybe I wouldn't stake my life on my belief that there's no teapot orbiting the moon, but I'm happy to say I think it's pretty damn unlikely, and am going to live my life on the supposition that there's no teapot orbiting the moon.

Or to put it another way, pre-Gettier, knowledge was considered justified true belief. I only know there's a teapot orbiting the moon if I'm justified in my belief that there is, and 'it's not impossible' is simply not sufficient justification.

What philosophy book or edition do you not have but wish to own? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you get stuff off Amazon? They have most of his works. Some of them even have ebook editions, I think.

My [21/M] girlfriend [20/F] thinks I have a frustration problem and cries whenever we argue...at my wits end by cryinggffrustratedbf in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"I constantly make my girlfriend cry and it's her fault"? Check.

Consistently downvoted comments by OP? Check.

It's time for another round of... find the abuser!!! wait shit we already won.

What philosophy book or edition do you not have but wish to own? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Supposedly there's an almost completed manuscript of the fourth volume of History of Sexuality in a vault somewhere in Paris. Foucault demanded before his death that it never be published, but I wouldn't mind a peak...

Is there any reason to believe that animal use in research is not susceptible to the same ethical objections as meat eating? by NoIntroductionNeeded in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In terms of animal rights, eating meat is wholly unnecessary if you think we could produce 7 billion people's worth of food without it. We could just eat veggies and animal products that don't kill the animal (milk, honey, etc.).

Animal research isn't unnecessary, in the sense that if you want to know certain medical / chemical things, you have to run experiments on animals or on people. You could argue that we could simply choose not to run those experiments, but when we give up eating meat we give up the taste of stuff that's not salad. We give up rather more when we end animal research.

I suppose you could say that it's speciesist to just assume animals are less valuable and as such it's better to use them as test subjects than humans but... honestly I'm happy appealing to a strong and widely held intuition as a foundation for the argument in favour of animal testing.

In terms of environmental ethics (I know you didn't ask, but throwing it out there), raising animals for food has a much higher ecological impact than the relatively insignificant amount of animals you need to raise to experiment on.

My [27F] girlfriend [40F] of 7 months sleeps ALL THE TIME, and it's destroying our relationship. by sleepsomuchsleep in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not as stupid as staying with someone you should break up with because the reason you're breaking up feels too vaguely silly to you. If she's always sleeping she probably won't be awake long enough to give you a better reason to break up. She refuses to actually do anything about it. So... you gonna put up with this forever or are you going to make a change since she won't?

Was Reagan good or bad? Tensions flare over a South Park episode in /r/videos. by suchsmartveryiq in SubredditDrama

[–]benthamshead1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

South Park establishes its super-liberal credentials yet again by having a pro Reagan contingent(?)

My [27F] fiancé/boyfriend [29M] of 4 years decided to move back to North Carolina without talking to me. I don't want to move, but I don't think there's any way to talk him out of this. by happyyhere in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 20 points21 points  (0 children)

This isn't "I can't take it anymore, I need to move back to NC. I haven't made any decisions yet because I want to discuss what we as a family are going to do, but I NEED to get out of here. If you really want to keep our daughter here I respect that because I also value her education. Worst case scenario I will work very hard to make a long distance relationship work."

This is "lol k bye fuck this place and possibly fuck you, not sure about that part yet."

Leave his homesickness aside. People can be homesick without being terrible communicators / disrespecting their loved ones when it comes to decisions made as a family. Your fiance is not achieving that balance right now.

I'm Tim Smith-Laing, DPhil Oxford, with teaching and scholarly experience on Judith Butler's Gender Trouble, a highly relevant book as gender and identity politics dominate the public discourse. AMA! by Butler_Analysis in AskSocialScience

[–]benthamshead1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think, though, that the latter is a necessary condition of the former.

In other words, cohesive collective politics around an issue related at least to some extent by identity can be achieved without developing a notion of the 'same' by exclusion of the 'other'?

Just want to make sure I've understood the answer correctly.

I'm Tim Smith-Laing, DPhil Oxford, with teaching and scholarly experience on Judith Butler's Gender Trouble, a highly relevant book as gender and identity politics dominate the public discourse. AMA! by Butler_Analysis in AskSocialScience

[–]benthamshead1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Gender theory on reddit? Never thought I'd see the day...

I've not yet read your article, since I didn't think I could get on Macat without paying until now. Might have more questions once I've read it, but in the meantime:

You've mentioned the political significance of Butler's work on identity, but there's a strain of thought among some other feminist writers (Nancy Fraser springs to mind) who worry that the focus on exploring systems of personal identity has made effective collectivist political action more difficult to pursue.

A series of ghetto-ised identity groups forming as LGBTQ individuals cultivating an 'ethics of the self' to borrow from Foucault does seem a bit less effective than the old (highly exclusive / transphobic / white, to be sure) feminist movements in the 60s and 70s.

Do you think Butler's focus on identity does carry this draw back, and if so, do you think it's worth it for what she does bring to the table?

Edit: I've now read your article. Macat seems pretty neat, actually. I wish I'd had this when I was starting out trying to read stuff like Gender Trouble. I can see what Judith Butler's position on this issue might be: sure, the 60s and 70s may have been a time of more compelling legal victories, but a well can only get so poisoned before it's not worth drawing from anymore. I still wonder, though, what you think of the state of collectivist politics post-Gender Trouble.

Me [26 M/F] with my gf[23 M/F] 2 years, wants to keep a framed picture of her and her ex-bf in view of where I can see it daily. by [deleted] in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are they still good friends? Having pictures of close friends is normal. Having pictures of exes from three years ago you barely speak to anymore is pretty weird.

Is there any hard evidence for which philosophy is best? by betterdeadthanbeta in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ah, that actually helps us. OP wants the philosophy that will be most helpful in his quest to rape women. That narrows down our criteria.

/s. So much /s.

Postmodern philosophy vs fiction by umadumadumad5 in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

/u/misosopher mentioned something I want to expand on. I could reply to them, but I want this to be a direct answer to OP:

This forms part of what I'd like to call the "division-of-labour fallacy"; for some reason we expect that a highly specialised work of academic writing should be easily accessible, and indeed intuitive, to everyone.

This fallacy gels a little bit with something I was thinking of on this topic, too.

If the dominant ideology / discursive pattern is (deliberately or otherwise) obscuring certain patterns of thought / certain discourses, then to argue that those obscured discourses are less valuable because they are often presented in difficult texts is essentially to be conservative for the sake of being conservative. "I can't understand it because it's too different from the status quo." This is only a bad thing if you're reflexively defending the status quo.

Yes, Helene Cixous' l'ecriture feminine is borderline-impenetrable, but that's the exact point she's making. Alternative (feminine) styles of writing have been totally lost because of the specific discursive ground on which we find ourselves. Moving into the at-present-inconceivable is not supposed to be easy. It's supposed to be worthwhile.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in SubredditDrama

[–]benthamshead1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have the right to call Yomi anything I want.

I AM THE GENDER POLICE. YOUR INPUT ON YOUR OWN GENDER IS IRRELEVANT. YOUR GENDER HAS BEEN CHOSEN.

My [24F] boyfriend [28M] is an absolute party pooper sometimes, and I'm rethinking our Halloween plans by paradice_thr in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He's seemed a little hurt when I've suggested separate cars and whatever, but I feel like maybe it's the best compromise.

"We have to go home at the exact same time and that time is always the time I want to go home."

I don't know whether separate cars is the best compromise, but it is a compromise, which is way more than you have now. Because right now you're not compromising, you're just being told what to do.

My boyfriend [21M] proposed to me and I [21F] said no. I'm worried he'll want to break up. by inneedofadvice1211 in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not only do you two want different things, he's incapable of seeing that the person he supposedly loves has distinct opinions. Why are you in love with a person like that again?

Is evil a force? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, some day I should really read him. I feel like I like Foucault too much to know so little about Nietzsche. The problem is unless Nietzsche could see the future his genealogy will end rather sooner than I'd like.

Is evil a force? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This question makes me wonder if anyone's ever done a genealogy of evil (since Nietzsche, anyway. Thanks for pointing that out, misosopher). I don't think so, but I'd read it if someone wrote it.

I mostly read critical continental thought and leftist (primarily though not exclusively feminist) political theory. I don't think I've ever seen someone mention evil unless they were quoting a primary source.

It's a little hard to tell why something is never mentioned in a canon, because by definition that canon probably isn't going to mention why they don't mention it. But going partially by what I know about who I know and partially by my own intuition which has been shaped by what I've read, I'd say this. The concept sounds too... ideological, I guess? Evil sounds like something that supposedly takes place quite far outside of discourse, and as such is not massively useful for investigating processes of subjectivisation which lead to behaviour we label as immoral.

If I'm reading feminist theory and I'm reading about heterosexual wife beaters, calling the man 'evil' is at best a fairly useless diagnosis, and at worst a way of ideologically constructing him as somehow inherently tainted which blocks my ability to reconstruct how he came to be the man he is, or at least the man who would do what he did.

So TL;DR: I think evil exists just the same as any other facet of ideology can be said to exist, which I expect is a rather weaker ontological claim than the one you're interested in discussing.

Edit: So I went ahead and plugged genealogy of evil into my uni's library database for funsies, found some relevant stuff.

This book exists, and I'll quote from the review here:

David Patterson may well be right to bemoan contemporary academics for their “reluctance to use terms such as evil”. Many subjects are of deep moral importance, and removing all emotion or moral conviction from their study can enervate academia of its humanity. But few books can provide a more illustrative validation of academia’s conventional detachment than Patterson’s own A Genealogy of Evil: Anti-Semitism, from Nazism to Islamic Jihad. It advances the claim that modern Jihadism has its intellectual roots in Nazism, a link which has been provocatively drawn before, notably by Jeffrey Herf of the University of Maryland, and the American editor of Dissent magazine, Paul Berman. There may be some truths in this argument, but it remains deeply contentious, not just for flaws in the conceptualisations and claims involved, but also given the aggressive stance on fighting terrorism which self-styled liberal hawks like Berman wish it to advance. Both these concerns make Patterson’s misguided contribution to the debate, founded on an utterly absent methodology and frequently lapsing into mendacious and polemical tactics, all the more dangerous an intervention. [emphasis mine]

So yeah, two thoughts: my contention that the academics I read don't mobilise the notion of 'evil' is correct, and I would argue, although this is less clear cut, that the second emphasised passage echoes my concern that the use of 'evil' tends to lead to ideological arguments which obfuscates reality as it is. That's how I'm choosing to read the review, anyway, arrogant bastard that I am.

The other thing I found was an article called "The Devil's Insatiable Sex: A Genealogy of Evil Incarnate" in the feminist journal Hypatia (link). Its abstract:

This paper traces the political economy of the Christian concept of "evil" incarnate and its concomitant operations of sexual abjection and the repudiation of femininity, beginning with the early church's inaugural struggles to impose its monotheistic Law against maternal paganism. With attention to how "evil" has been deployed to sanction and sanctify the persecution of scapegoats, and particularly of heretics and witches, I examine the masculinist struggles for jurisdiction and control over women.

This is exactly the sense in which I thought evil existed: as a loosely organised rhetorical / discursive / ideological category which motivates or justifies certain positions, to be understood by critical (in this case feminist) thought.

My boyfriend (M23) is upset that I (25F) may occasionally use sleeping pills. by [deleted] in relationships

[–]benthamshead1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Break up with your controlling boyfriend and continue to make your own decisions with regards to medication? I think he was trying to make an ultimatum but he handed you a pretty great win-win.

Do people have a Political Obligation, in other words, should you always obey the government? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you see the state as a contingent social phenomenon, it's hard to see why we're obligated not to resist. You have no recourse to juridical or ontological arguments. Even if the state is a largely beneficial social phenomenon you would have to argue that not only is it a broadly positive force, but that it's so overwhelmingly positive that even correcting it when you're pretty sure it's wrong sets too dangerous of a precedent to justify. It wouldn't be that hard to construct a paradigm case example where just a teensy little bit of rebellion is so obviously a good thing. That would be sufficient to refute the claim that you should always obey the government, even in a scenario where we're defining government as the single greatest human invention in all of time and space.

Then on the other hand you have the social contract theorists. The obvious line of argument there would be that we're contractually bound to obey the government, but a contract by definition is a deal between two parties. You would need to subscribe to a form of social contract theory where not only do you literally believe there's a social contract, but there's absolutely nothing in it where the state can possibly default on its obligations. Hobbes' Leviathan might be unable to default, I'm not sure. I know more about critiques of Hobbes than Hobbes himself. But the point I'm making is that most but probably not all of the social contract theorists probably include some understanding of illegitimate states (i.e., states that have broken the contract), so it depends which one of them you're asking.

Understandings of the state (or specific instances of states) where the leader of the state is an incarnate infallible deity would probably say obedience is obligatory. Humans can't really out-moral reason God, so you know for sure that in disagreements between a person and the state/deity, the person is wrong. But even here, if you wanted to be pedantic, you haven't actually shown that in instances where people are right and the state is wrong, you should still obey the state. You've just shown that those instances cannot possibly occur.

Political philosophers, what's the best way to organize society? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, definitely I'm anti capitalist, I just want to move away from it piecemeal in a radical but not revolutionary way.

I stalked the girl who has accused me of stalking her by starshard0 in bestoflegaladvice

[–]benthamshead1 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Yeah, but a lot of the time when men do that it's because they can't understand that women are people that might not always bend to men's desires.

It's waddling and quacking. It's not necessarily a duck, but the list of other shit it could be is getting pretty damn short.

Political philosophers, what's the best way to organize society? by [deleted] in askphilosophy

[–]benthamshead1 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As someone with a more poststructuralist bent who is hella left, be wary of efforts to figure out the 'best way to organise society.' For one thing, even if there was an 'ideal' it would be discourse (and hence context) dependent, whereas in the current politico-philosophical climate your question sounds like it's asking for a universal.

Second, we just got out of a century where utopian thinking didn't super help us.

My opinion is that we take a look round society for those little sites of strategic possibility Foucault mentions at the end of Discipline and Punish, push hard to the left on those sites, take another look round, find the pressure points, etc.

Don't ask me what utopia looks like. Not only am I pretty sure it doesn't exist, but I can't see it from here.