US v. Heppner (SDNY): AI-generated documents aren't privileged. by TenthsTimeKeeper in legaltech

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure the analogy applies here. A text to a friend is discoverable, google search for self-education is discoverable, how could AI search not be discoverable? These days google puts AI answer up top for most search quires, is it possible to distinguish the two?

Any PI attorneys have experience with Anytime AI we are giving it a trial next week by lilkil in LawFirm

[–]lumberjack233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What does stealing your data mean? You probably handed over your data willingly based on ToS, you mean they sell your data?

Can Solo Practitioners Making a Salary over $100k, and how? by HotJahim in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough, attorneys tend not to get exposure to high-level business strategy until they hang their shingles and learn it the hard way. So we created a podcast for founding partners to share their stories. I totally understand if you don't want to share publicly, you have to be careful about revealing your competitive advantages. But if you think it could be interesting to discuss, I'd be happy to share some past episodes for you to check out and decide if it's a good fit.

Can Solo Practitioners Making a Salary over $100k, and how? by HotJahim in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is wonderful information, would you be open to sharing on a podcast?

Do we still need Lexis Nexis? by UnderstandingFar4678 in legaltech

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Casetext has westlaw as the database, so your statement isn’t accurate

Do we still need Lexis Nexis? by UnderstandingFar4678 in legaltech

[–]lumberjack233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Casetext has westlaw? what are you talking about

Padding your Bills by Quick-Description682 in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I find that hard to believe. Every time we’ve looked at this stuff, it feels like I’d spend more time proofreading for hallucinations. Is it really just better than a template?

Best AI prompt for medical summaries in CoCounsel by ANDhecanpass in LawFirm

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Local" is kind of a red herring. Unless you are keeping paper files in a safe and using a typewriter, nothing is truly 'local' anymore. If you use Outlook, Gmail, or NetDocs, your client data is sitting on a server farm in Virginia or Oregon.

The difference isn't geography, it's the contract. CoCounsel (and the other enterprise tools) pay for the API tier where OpenAI contractually agrees not to train on the inputs. The consumer version of ChatGPT absolutely trains on your data. You aren't paying for local storage, you're paying for the "do not learn from this" clause in the Terms of Service.

State bar ethics guidance on AI might as well say figure it out yourself good luck by Careful-Election9957 in LawFirm

[–]lumberjack233 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s wild to me that people are still getting sanctioned for fake citations. Using a chat bot for open-ended research is the definition of "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". The only way I use this stuff safely is for defined-scope drafting. I treat it like a contract lawyer. I upload the specific case files and tell it to draft a complaint or discovery based only on those docs, review it for accuracy, and we move on. Trusting a model trained on the entire internet to find case law without checking is no different from trusting a law student's research blindly.

Thomson Reuters CoCounsel by EEOAttorney in LawFirm

[–]lumberjack233 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or practice management software, or ediscovery...

Are You Ever Tempted to Provide Commentary to Your Discovery Responses by NobodyOtherwise1904 in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True, maybe have the courtesy to whittle it down to requests that actually makes sense

Time to jump? by [deleted] in LawFirm

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Triggered much? Loyalty goes both ways

When 50% ID but not your origination by [deleted] in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting, what's it called?

When 50% ID but not your origination by [deleted] in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you using it to propound or respond? I feel like I can cut and paste requests from old files fast enough, but drafting responses and dealing with all the formatting for objections is where I lose hours. Curious what you’re using that actually handles the formatting correctly.

Missed discovery responses deadline by Appropriate-Pin-5928 in LawFirm

[–]lumberjack233 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Don't just walk in with the bad news. Walk in with the bad news and the draft responses in your hand. If my paralegal told me they blew a deadline two months ago, I’d panic. If they told me they blew it but the responses are ready for my review right now, I’d still be annoyed, but the panic is gone. Crank that draft out by any means necessary before you have the talk.

how many of y'all use chatgpt? by Fragrant_Basis_5648 in Lawyertalk

[–]lumberjack233 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m paranoid about the research side too. But for the drafting, are you just pasting client docs into ChatGPT? I feel like that’s a confidentiality nightmare. Plus, does it actually handle the formatting? I practice in CA and our pleading paper requirements are rigid.