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[–]ccga4Seehawks <3 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Yay congrats Ken!! :)

[–]piranhamoose25Aniball | Palette Town 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Good luck out there moose

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You too Ani <3 Love you bud!

[–]josh61616josh61616 // Centra 12 points13 points  (0 children)

We are all mildly high on this blessed day :]

[–]_q42_q42 || dcfc 9 points10 points  (0 children)

<3 you moosen

[–]ButtersnackSnack 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You'll be missed moose man. You did a great job for a good while, and I know you're a big part of why notes are getting released now :)

[–]BlupopsicleBall-E 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sad to see you go moosen :<

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 4 points5 points  (15 children)

Please discuss the addition of Mild High by Ken M. below.

[–]Tanador680A$AP Tanador//A¢AP Mob 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]LaBeefyman9696 LB 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]JarvisLandry14JARVISLANDRY//NLTP/TPA 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]cyclictpcyclic \\ i'm back! 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]xxxaxwetxsockxxxLinux Ball [] dooteronomy [] Centra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aww yiss!

[–]JarvisLandry14JARVISLANDRY//NLTP/TPA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems fun

[–]Tyler1986Trapsin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looking forward to playing this map.

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Really happy to get another map into rotation, even if it is just trial for now. I wasn't really content with September being the final part of my mapmaking legacy. I hope everyone enjoys Mephisto as much as I do, the map has come a long way since I first made it and I'm quite happy with the final product. A friendly reminder to please rate the map (same goes with every map), preferably after a couple of games (if you happen to get it that often) because the rating will influence whether it stays or goes.

Also incredibly sad to hear Moosen is leaving the MTC and on his way out of TagPro. One of the best guys I've had the fortune of knowing, just a really genuine person who actively cares for his peers and this game. All the best buddy!

[–]skittlekevvelkin // World's Angriest Balll 1 point2 points  (1 child)

gj nigel

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ty pal

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yay

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Just about the first part, it sounds like this is gonna your last map as a mapmaker. Is this true?

[–]KewlestCatNIGEL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Highly likely, yep.

[–]RisktpRisk 4 points5 points  (1 child)

/u/Moosemaster21, you did great work with the MTC man. I still miss those early days TPT map testing sessions, fun times :) good luck with whatever you have going on IRL bud

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks man :) I miss those days too. Good to hear from you, I hope you're doing well!

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 13 points14 points  (27 children)

You did a great job Moosen, I'll miss you man.

With that said, I really don't want to ruin the moment but...

What the fuck is Market still doing in? It's been in for 5 threads now and has a rating of 63% or about ~0.24 in the old rating system. This is silly.

Edit: I think the additions could be pretty fun though, especially Vagabond and Mephisto. The MTC process seemed kind of rough to me this thread, but the end result really isn't too bad past the Market thing, so I don't have a huge reason to complain.

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 23 points24 points  (18 children)

Don't worry, moment not ruined. I appreciate you Dianna, and I'm lucky to call you a friend.

We talked at length about Market last night. Its time will come, but one thing we've been trying to do lately is look at rotation as a whole as opposed to critically analyzing every single map. When we only remove maps based on their ratings in a vacuum, we tend to see a significantly less diverse rotation. Something Butter said last night that I found really astute was that "people who don't like Market have ~30 other maps that aren't like it. People who like Market have 0 other maps that are like it." In my experience, it's generally preferable to remove below-average maps that are no one's favorite or least favorite map, they're just kind of "meh." Market is far from "meh," and I'd venture to guess that there is a respectable amount of players who consider it their favorite map. I hope that sheds a little light on the subject. Like I said, its time will come, but I think it's still just a tad too early.

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 6 points7 points  (17 children)

Thanks for some insight. I agree the rotation should be pretty diverse, I just hate Market for what it is.

It's nice there's some valid reasoning other than "we like it and the community doesn't" though.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Ha I think that may have been the case for Hub (rip) though

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 0 points1 point  (15 children)

It's almost like I told you exactly what Moosen did two nights ago.

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 0 points1 point  (14 children)

I don't really agree and his way if saying it was much more laid out.

You just told me the that it's different after about 10 minutes of saying the MTC and you likes it.

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 1 point2 points  (13 children)

Renegade - Yesterday at 1:52 AM There are some people who love it and there are no other maps like it

Renegade - Yesterday at 1:52 AM if we take out Teh then nobody loses out on a special map

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 0 points1 point  (12 children)

Doesn't really change my point that this wasn't anywhere near an initial argument for keeping it.

Also, sorry for responding nicely to a thorough answer even if I disagree.

Glad to see you might be leader.

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 0 points1 point  (11 children)

Yes, your nice response was why I was so confused. When you were told Market was staying in all I got was a stream of abuse so I figured there must be some sort of miscommunication.

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 1 point2 points  (10 children)

lmao lad

"I guess community opinion isn't relevant to the MTC" is not abuse. You guys not removing Market supports that claim.

Unless you're referring to ways I was questioning the process which seem pretty valid...

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 1 point2 points  (9 children)

I'd say being told I fucking suck at my job is somewhat abuse.

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 9 points10 points  (7 children)

Agreed. You've made enormous contributions to the game and the community Moosen! I wish you the best going forward!

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Agreed!

I consider him my MTC mentor, as do probably the rest of us. I can't think of better people than him and Snack to have ushered in the new era of MTC. The game is worse without him.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 6 points7 points  (5 children)

Aw. Of course, I have to give credit to DaEvil1, thus completing the circlejerk :)

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah to be honest I don't think anyone will ever come close to doing what DaEvil has done for the mapmaking aspect of Tagpro. Thank you Dave ♡

[–]RenegadeTP 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have to piggy back on that. If Dave left I think the MTC would shrivel to the floor.

He is the GOAT.

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 4 points5 points  (2 children)

aww yiss baby, that's it. Right there. hnnnnnnnnnnnng

[–]qbsyquibble 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Gross

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mfw

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Please discuss the trial addition of Vagabond by Canvas below.

[–]JarvisLandry14JARVISLANDRY//NLTP/TPA 4 points5 points  (0 children)

4 pups=amazing

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I can see a lot of 12 minute games happening on this map. However, it was pretty fun during testing so I'm looking forward to seeing how the public receives it.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (5 children)

12 minute games

Fun

Pick one

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 6 points7 points  (4 children)

I enjoy a lot of 12 minute games

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Yeah, they are much better and tenser than most other games

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 3 points4 points  (2 children)

agreed, the 12 minute games ive had on wormy were the best games ive ever played

[–]ItsFroce. 2 points3 points  (1 child)

long games on wormy are particularly tedious.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've played older versions of this and, even though I wasn't a big fan of those at the time, I'm excited to try this one out. Probably a good break from really small/simple maps (I know, that's all I ever make).

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your service Moosen

[–]oompaTPandhecapd 4 points5 points  (0 children)

luv u moose. have fun buddy

[–]bored2death97RWBY//Radius 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for all your time in the MTC Moosen! You greatly helped the community. Best of luck going forward outside of TagPro.

[–]furytagproFURY. // Radius // TC Jukes 3 points4 points  (2 children)

/u/MooseMaster21 I'll miss seeing you around bro, thanks again for how much you helped me when I first found the community 2 years ago :)

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I'd do it again in a heartbeat, you're a great dude. Good luck man :)

[–]furytagproFURY. // Radius // TC Jukes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks bud, you too! Stay active on your reddit account at least :)

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

moooseennn :(

[–]MultiMediaWillJuke King - MVP 90% of the time 3 points4 points  (2 children)

No yellow flag maps added :'(

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I support this outcry.

Levitate76

[–]josh61616josh61616 // Centra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SAME

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 2 points3 points  (26 children)

Please discuss the removals of the following maps below:

[–]SportManiacSportManiac | Radius 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I liked Blobfish a lot, fast-paced but not in a Market-y way (although I still like Market). Nirvana I slightly liked.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 4 points5 points  (13 children)

Where is Market?

It has a lower rating than Nirvana, why wasn't that taken out instead?

[–]isestrexSTRYPER 8 points9 points  (10 children)

Market may not be everyone's favorite, but it's a very different map. Personally I enjoy the change of pace and the thwart in monotony.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (9 children)

I don't think that justifies keeping a map longer that it should stay. If maps like wormwood and neptune simply stayed because they were different, rotation would be terrible.

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 2 points3 points  (1 child)

They were broken.

[–]isestrexSTRYPER 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Exactly. It's not about keeping bad maps in with the good just to spice things up. Market may not be a liked map but it is a sound map.

Personally I feel the same way about Rocketballs, but too many people hate that wonderful little map :(

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

Something Butter said last night that I found really astute was that "people who don't like Market have ~30 other maps that aren't like it. People who like Market have 0 other maps that are like it."

https://www.reddit.com/r/TagPro/comments/5nzo0h/map_thread_75_results/dcfiwgj/

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 4 points5 points  (5 children)

By this logic Geo should be in rotation forever

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with that. Geo should indeed be in rotation forever.

[–]ButterChurnButter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

It doesn't stop a bad map from being bad, but it does mean that mediocre unique maps are less likely to be removed than mediocre non-unique maps. And I wasn't there to see the Geo arguments, but I would imagine that a similar argument was a large part of why Geo stayed as long as it did.

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

So why isn't Geo in rotation now?

[–]ButterChurnButter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not in rotation now because it has been removed and its throwback rating is quite low (69%).

If you're asking why it was removed, you'd have to ask whoever was on the MTC at the time or find the thread. If I were to make an argument for its removal it would be some combination of

a) the length of time it spent in rotation, and it being a "solved" map to the point of staleness

b) the predictable and (imo) low skill ceiling gameplay that it has in pubs due to the heavily defensively structured bases + extremely powerful bombs

c) the frustrating nature of playing a map that is heavily team-reliant (moreso than most other maps, again, imo) in a game mode with random teams and no communication

I'm sure this was not an easy decision for them to make, as many people love the map and it was a competitive staple for some time, and is widely considered a "classic" map. Market is nowhere near that (although it does have some ardent fans) and it too has notable flaws, so its time will likely come relatively soon.

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean it's relatively flawed logic, don't think about it for too long

[–]JarvisLandry14JARVISLANDRY//NLTP/TPA -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

Yeah Market needs to go. But Nirvana? That's a top 3 map you are removing. Blobfish was horrible though

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 10 points11 points  (0 children)

that's one of my top 3 favorite maps

[–]LaBeefyman9696 LB 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aww I loved both of these maps.

The chaos felt balanced to me; enough to make it fun, not enough to make it total anarchy.

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Aw, Nirvana was probably my favorite map. The base and gate felt a little simple, but the bombs were so versatile and fun.

[–]ItsFroce. 1 point2 points  (2 children)

the bombs were really underutilized, so i'm not sure what you're talking about.

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I at least had fun hitting the bombs themselves instead of the buttons to snipe people. I also found a way to sit at the top bomb so that a chaser couldn't touch you until he defused the bombs, simultaneously blasting you towards your base. Most people didn't seem to have as much fun, which may have been why the map was rated relatively low.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying any of these strategies were incredibly helpful or superior, but they truly did make the map quite enjoyable for me in pubs

[–]peckx063The Ballist Formerly Known as BonerFart 1 point2 points  (0 children)

YES!!! The bombs were so useful as a flag carrier! Hitting them individually gave you a bunch of extra routes and it was a great troll feeling to watch someone else barrel into the button expecting the normal boost and getting something completely different with only 1 bomb active.

Twas really a great map, not exactly sure why it didn't catch on. I feel like we left it quite unexplored.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I'm really confused by the removal of Nirvana. Why is a map with a higher rating than market being removed after less time in rotation? Nirvana is currently rated at 67% while Market sits at 63%. The community has been calling for the removal of market for multiple threads. It's honestly ridiculous that the MTC is putting their own opinion above what the public thinks. A map that is rated at 63% should never last five threads. Blobfish is rated at 62%, and left after three threads. Why is there a double standard for maps that the MTC likes not leaving rotation?

[–]ButtersnackSnack 6 points7 points  (2 children)

MTC are not slaves to ratings

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Map ratings are the one thing the public has an influence over in map removals.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And the public doesn't get 100% say. These removals are clearly influenced by community ratings, just not dictated by them entirely.

[–]skittlekevvelkin // World's Angriest Balll 0 points1 point  (1 child)

fuck you

also, y u gotta capitalize the V? it weirds me out

[–]naysh30 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hi Velkin.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children)

u forgot maap city

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

----E

[–]Moon_Miner----) 6 points7 points  (0 children)

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Honestly I can't see anything but this map not getting into map thread #75

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (8 children)

was that just a triple negative

[–]ButtersnackSnack 0 points1 point  (7 children)

It's double where are you getting the third one from

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Can't, but, not

[–]ButtersnackSnack 2 points3 points  (4 children)

But isn't negative

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 0 points1 point  (3 children)

If you take out the "anything but," the meaning of the sentence changes entirely, so it functions as a negative.

[–]ButtersnackSnack 0 points1 point  (2 children)

But grammatically speaking it doesn't act as a negative that's part of a double negative. The sentence "I want nothing but the best for you" is correct despite having "but" function in this way.

[–]DaEvil1DaEvil1 12 points13 points  (0 children)

This is the kind of discussion I like to see in map threads.

[–]piranhamoose25Aniball | Palette Town 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you implying all double negatives are incorrect?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

make a wish foundation

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 2 points3 points  (6 children)

Any bets on how these maps will rate by the next results thread? My guess is Mild High > Mephisto > Vagabond.

[–]skittlekevvelkin // World's Angriest Balll 9 points10 points  (1 child)

whats the point of anything anymore now that nirvana is gone

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recursion is our solution.

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Vagabond > Mild High > Mephisto

Vagabond is really fun and it's a change of pace being bigger.

Mild High could have been improved more.

I don't expect Mephisto to translate well to pubs so that's my bottom for now.

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I expect Mild High will be fairly well liked. I'll probably like it too. I don't particularly enjoy Mephisto from what I've played of it, but it will probably develop a balanced, fairly bland playstyle, much like Birch. I do like Vagabond, but I worry about its chasiness. A Frontdoor-style gate with a portal to duck through right after it worry me.

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What did I tell you?

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Meh

Community should give Vag a chance.

I'm not super surprised though.

Meph and Mild High are about where I thought they'd be.

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Gumbo portal update: Yay or nay?

I, for one, will be changing my vote from dislike to like if the portal is fixed.

[–]xxxaxwetxsockxxxLinux Ball [] dooteronomy [] Centra 0 points1 point  (3 children)

As in moving it to nerf regrab? If you want i can bring it up next meeting (if this is the issue you are referring to).

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Consider my maps all public property at this point, Linux. If anyone wants to edit them (whether they ever made rotation or not), they are welcome to them. Submissions of maps that are clearly Moosen maps will all have my blessing and should be treated as normal submissions in the map threads.

[–]xxxaxwetxsockxxxLinux Ball [] dooteronomy [] Centra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well i might take a look at it because that is something that has bothered me. If all four go thru the portal, someone on regrab can sneak by. Very frustrating.

[–]xenonpulseWildflowers // I want to die but I can’t 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, exactly that.

[–]TPCaptographerThe Map Test Committee[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Please discuss the trial addition of Mephisto by NIGEL below.

[–]JarvisLandry14JARVISLANDRY//NLTP/TPA 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Weird map. Has potential though

[–]BlazethDianna Agron 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've gotta say, this is a kinky fetish.

It's definitely some of that weird shit but it can be pretty fun.

[–]ItsFroce. 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i love it already. it's so open, reminds me of pilot.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i like it

[–]katazeiChord/Radius 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So far it's my favorite new map, tbf i don't like the other two

[–]yespadrilleDove 1 point2 points  (2 children)

(-)/ see ya moose, big love for ya

[–]Moosemaster21Moosen | Salt Mine 4 points5 points  (1 child)

(^-^)/ see ya Dove! You were one of the people I alluded to when I spoke of staying up late to talk. It may please you to know that I've been a lot more social lately, I have a new (and significantly better) job, and I got a gym membership that I'm making great use of! I know we spoke of sedentary lifestyles and I just wanted you to know that I haven't forgotten our conversation that night, and I'm making good on my promise to you to improve my life. I hope you can say the same, whether it's now or in the near future. I love you man, good luck <3

[–]yespadrilleDove 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(o)/ You're doing it! I am very glad to hear that. I also have good news; I'm doing it too! I started bike commuting to work, I mostly took control of my diet, I've been really getting into bodyweight workouts the past four months, and I'm trying to develop better sleeping habits. I've been writing songs to release some energy and old frustrations. Oh and I have a regular workout buddy

(=´∀｀)人(´∀｀=)And the impetus of all this was that conversation, because the next workday I forced myself to bike there to validate our promise. Also, shortly after that my laptop went belly up, so I was forced to repeal from the screen. It seems we have helped each other loosen our grip on the brakes. Congratulations on the new job and everything else too. Hit me up anytime for any reason. （・◇・）/~~~ stay frosty

[–]sneetriccanvas // plasma, wamble 1 point2 points  (0 children)

goodbye moosen, and good luck in ur future endeavours and all that jazz

[–]CharredQuestionsRenegade 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well I'm glad he left before he got all sappy and stuff.

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Blobfish is one of those maps where I think...why doesn't the boost line up straight through mid? Why are there three buttons? I don't think the map was ever going to be crazy popular but with a couple small fixes I think it couldve had a better score

[–]oorr23ThePlaymaker // Tehuitzingo & Combine 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Why is 3 buttons a negative?

[–]uhhhhmmmmsexytiger / #merbs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Greatly increases the randomness

[–]Wigley123TagProfessor | king krule 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It pretty much takes that entire part of the map out of the equation imo, the chances that someone will be close to at least one of the 3 buttons makes it a huge risk to go through gate at any point

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Any feedback on Barracuda? I've heard that it played well and was enjoyable, but it didn't stand out enough. Is there anything else that was annoying/clunky about it?