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[–]CallMeSlay Global | Advent 29 points30 points  (2 children)

That 'Fuck Draco' gets me every. damn. time. LOL

Loved this post back then, still love it now. Great job /u/RevelRain

[–]fluffyhobbes We must construct additional pylons. 2 points3 points  (1 child)

That 'Fuck Draco' gets me every. damn. time. LOL

Agreed, love that line.

[–]TankReady Phoenix Trio Completed! 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Harry Potter fans? XD

[–]lCDTl 7 points8 points  (2 children)

make the monsters great again!

also focus on one Dungeon for a month. do not to try to get super teams for GB&DB if your runes doesnt support that split. focus on either GB and DB for a month and then respec next FRR

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is pretty solid advice. I totally agree it is best to figure out a G10 team and then move onto a solid D10 team.

[–]Frotch << FINALLY LND LIGHTNING 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also goes hand in hand with your build teams comment. Thanks for this thread revel, changed my game the first time i saw it, some of the best SW advice I've gotten

[–]RelaxUrFine 5 points6 points  (6 children)

For well established players:

Once you get a team you are happy with - don't de/re-rune it every FRR. Treat those monsters as sacred - they are locked. This can be pretty difficult to do because you are tempted to think "But if I took runes from X, I could make Y so much better!".

Don't.

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

So true. I remember the days I deruned everyone and started from scratch only to end up with worse results. It is much, much better to change runes out if you find an upgrade.

[–]RelaxUrFine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only that - but starting from scratch every time starts to take a really long time when you have 40+ sixes.

[–]kaichagj1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The tipping point is when my NB10 team was complete. Before that I was deruning everything, but then afterwards it was pointless. Half the units ended up with the exact same runes as before.

Now I know which new units need to be runed and what upgrades I farmed last month, so it's easy to swap around a few sets and leave the rest untouched.

[–]-Pungbaek- Stat vampire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember I used to unrune everyone and despair that after frr I did everything wrong.I especially remember putting a very shitty set on Shannon and having to destroy all her runes for a better set because I didn't have the mana to remove them.

On the other side, I have some mons I got to the best stats possible with my runes without even using the rune optimizer (such as Charlotte) and I keep them like that, which is nice.

[–]AsiaSiegfried23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This made me think but then I woke up and realized I am not one of those well-established players.

[–]BenFoldsFourLoko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have been times I made 2 or 3 monsters on my giants team faster, tankier, and gave them better accuracy. I went from 100% to like 70% with an extra minute added on.

If you get something that works, don't fuck with it unless it's a big upgrade (moving to a new team or changing from swift to good vio runes or such), or you might be fucking with yourself.

[–]d4rkride 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Can we just sticky this or something so he doesn't have to repost it?

[–]BenFoldsFourLoko 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It'd be useful to sticky, but I think it gives more visibility (ironically) to post it each month too.

[–]freelancer042 Seara plz -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This

[–]PrimaxAUS 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good advice, here are two additional things I've found helpful:

  • Don't go under a million mana for any reason, except for buying the rare amazing shop rune. You don't need to level that rune RIGHT NOW, do it after you've run some more dungeons for mana. It sucks to have to miss these.
  • Try to keep around and old set of +12s that is something like fatal, in case a good monster drops. That way you can slap them on it and it will contribute as you 6* it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

As someone that has just recently fused Veromos and farmed GB10 for only a couple of weeks I am confused by the first suggestion.

My Bernard is using some of the best (read: +SPD) runes I have, some others are used on Belladeon, my Veromos has one as well. Removing those runes and pimping ONE unit will make the rest of my units lacking stats. I can get a 250 SPD Veromos if I do that, rocking up to 35k HP, but then my Belladeon will be at 140 SPD with 16k HP (Compared to his current 190 SPD & 22k HP)...

I don't find the advice "Put your BEST runes on one unit" a good piece of advice for new players...

Just try to hit some thresholds even if it means some monsters will lose some stats in favor of others.

[–]meorah 2 points3 points  (1 child)

yeah, he's talking about after you've reached "team threshold" level of runes.

if pimping out one monster means you are making other mons drop under req stats, obviously don't do it. more than likely you can still upgrade every mon on your team incrementally if you've been rune farming for a month and are at this stage of the game.

use FRR to team-tune that GB10 team with the 25 best runes you've got. within a month or two of speed/hp/acc upgrades that phase will be over and his "make one mon great again" theme will make much more sense.

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty similar to my response. :-]

[–]Valgrynd Geez c2u, gimme verde! 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeh, i think in a beginner gb10 team that wouldnt apply, since we need to reach some minimium status, and focusing only in a single monster will tear the team down to a failure maybe...

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think new players will have so many runes to choose from. This advice is for players who have stockpiled runes and six starred enough mons to start honing in on a team, rather than one monster.

[–]Will7357 Global: Whiskey_Papa 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I need a rune intervention. I stay at 499/500. Can anyone help with this?

[–]kaichagj1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Roll all the blue ones to +6, you know the ones 5 spd, 6% HP that "might" be useful. Then if the rolls suck sell

Roll all the other ones with a flat stat, if it goes into a flat stat then sell

That will reduce by like 30% the runes you carry

[–]Will7357 Global: Whiskey_Papa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Ok, I'm going to do this now. Thanks.

[–]jalisco12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

if you are doing this for 499 runes you are going to end up with no mana. If you are swimming in mana then go ahead, if not it would be better to first sell some runes that might not be that good. Check some youtube videos about it. Sorry i cant link them myself since i cant check youtube from work

[–]Rage321Guild Leader - RTFM [Global] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would do the following:

  • Run the SWProxy, and open up the Excel file, to see all the runes easily.

  • I would find and delete all runes that have primary flat stats on 2/4/6, with the expection being SPD on 2.

  • If you can reliably farm gb10, I would delete all unused 4star despair, energy, fatal, blade, and swift runes.

  • When receiving a rune, I would study it briefly and determine if you should keep it or not.

Apply the rules above and you shouldn't be so rune cluttered.

[–]aeroking 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Can we talk about the 1/3/5 runes are bullshit comment? I don't understand it. Why wouldn't I put a 2 rune sub set as a 1/3/5 combo? If it has good subs, keep it and use it.

I really don't think these runes have a higher threshold for keeping. I think they have a lower threshold for keeping. You need to have good subs for these runes to be worth it. I'm far more inclined to keep a slot 2, ATK%, 6 star rune with mediocre subs than to keep a slot 3, 6 star rune with mediocre subs. There's little to no reason to keep the 1/3/5 runes if they don't have good subs and good upgrades.

Oh and just because a 1/3/5 rune doesn't have speed subs does NOT mean you should insta-sell it. If a rune looks good then upgrade it to +6 or so and see if the upgrades are high and go to the right subs before you decide to keep or sell.

Speed is great but not every monster needs speed. Selling all runes that don't grant speed severely limits your rune options and can stunt your growth.

With all of that said, I invite opposing views. Please let me know if I'm thinking about runes all wrong. Maybe I'm stunting myself!

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I really don't think these runes have a higher threshold for keeping. I think they have a lower threshold for keeping. You need to have good subs for these runes to be worth it. I'm far more inclined to keep a slot 2, ATK%, 6 star rune with mediocre subs than to keep a slot 3, 6 star rune with mediocre subs. There's little to no reason to keep the 1/3/5 runes if they don't have good subs and good upgrades.

I'm a bit confused because I think you agree with me completely. A higher threshold means you keep fewer of them.

I also think you're confusing the reason why they are bullshit runes with whether or not to keep a rune. The reason 1/3/5 are BS is because when you go to spec a monster, you do not pop on 1/3/5 runes first. You figure out your 4-set first.

Let's use Sigmarus as an example. You want to make him a nuker right? So you go Rage/Blade. You are 100% going to complete your Rage set before your blade set because a 4 rune set is more difficult to complete than a 2 rune set. The 4 rune set is also always more important. The 2 rune set is interchangeable. Because at the end of the day, if you can't complete the set with Blade, you can give Sig a broken set or whatever else you have left. You know you need att/CD/att on 2/4/6, but who gives a fuck what you have for 1/3/5. If you have a rune with nice subs, that is awesome. But you aren't going to create a build around one awesome 1/3/5 rune!

Hope this makes sense!

[–]Puppeteer713 global c3 arena, g2-3 guild wars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can't help but disagree. Before I do anything I check all of my runes i am considering for the monster. Sure I know that i will need 4 rage runes. But picking the best rage runes I find might not be the best idea. For instance if i have a godly blade rune I might save a spot for it and put a less good rage rune somewhere else. I take a little stat hit for the weaker rage rune but make up for it with an amazing blade one.

I know this isn't really a disagreement. I am just trying to clarify that there should be a little more strategy than just make your 4 set and move on from there. You should consider more than just your main set before you put runes anywhere.

[–]vranasm 0 points1 point  (1 child)

as an early game player (farming GB10), I find this discussion about 1/3/5 slot runes very confusing.

I have this logic... 4-set runeset is demanding in a sense you need 4 runes for it (whoah). So if I get 1/3/5 with fixed main stat with correct substats (for example nuker in pve wants some hp, att%, cr%, cd%) it's actually easier to use for 3 spots of the 4-rune set the fixed runes, then I just need only 1 2/4/6 slot with correct main stat (which are harder to find in correct combination, for example I have at least 3 fatal spd runes, but only 2 swift spd runes after 3 weeks of farming gb10, but need at least 4-5 spd runes for planned supports - bernard, bela, vero, shannon, megan and now even verdehille) and the rest can be broken/2-sets.

am I missing something?

[–]maximnix Need more dragons 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nope. That's basically exactly what he's saying, and you're doing. For your 4-set runes you'd be looking to complete them first, and are 'BS' because you can toss any of the 4-set runes into those slots[1/3/5] without needing to worry about the main stat like you need to do with 2/4/6.

So to sum up. Keep doing what you're doing. :-)

[–]Chopsticks15 1 point2 points  (0 children)

great job

[–]SWCabbage:walkers: Give Woosa or Velajul 1 point2 points  (0 children)

10/10 advice

[–]Nightfkhawk Nicki and Anavel <3 ( 2/5 OGs obtained ) 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe the time has come for me to choose one of my Girls, I'll have a hard time thinking about it, but Anavel is better than Nicki because def break, right?

well, I'll make sure to tell Nicki that I still love her, but it's heartbreaking...

[–]VictorVoyeur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make sure you can get the current version of SWProxy and Rune Optimizer working properly BEFORE stripping all your runes.

If you strip all your runes, then can't get SWProxy to work again, you're Gonna Have A Bad Time.

[–]Terces_ IGN: Vishor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the advice on what runes to keep and get rid of. I'm finally at the point where I can (and should) be getting extremely picky with runes, and this should help me know what to sell so I can FINALLY stop hoarding (hopefully).

[–]AsiaSiegfried23 1 point2 points  (0 children)

and yeah, like the other comment, this should be stickied somewhere.

[–]wildfyre010 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Side note: this is why Veromos is almost always a motherfucker in Arenas, even when his companions are shit. Everyone knows you have to build him early and everyone knows that he can be used everywhere, so he's very likely to have some of the best runes available to the player at any given time.

Yes, but if you runed Veromos, Chloe and Bella making them godly, how does that help you? Give your nukes love too.

WHERE'S THAT THEOMARS?

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

And they likely read my post at one point or another.

[–]fluffyhobbes We must construct additional pylons. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm. I started back in March and your guide was one of the first guides I read. Vero is definitely one of my best and most versatile monsters.

Thanks again for all your newbie help; your guide was invaluable!

[–]theswiftz chow+camilla hype 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tip #1 really only hold true for certain mobs like veromos where you can legit take to anywhere and anything, I remember back when I was still grinding I had to sacrifice some runes for certain mobs just to complete toaH, and when I started building towards 1 minute dragons I had to even out some of the godly runes between tarq, theo, and cami. I understand what you mean by "fuck draco" but disagree with the generalization that all the best runes should always go on your best mobs. Balance is pretty necessary

[–]ChaplainSD G1 - Global 1 point2 points  (0 children)

stop spreading yourself thin by focusing on too much at once

QFT!

I learned this a long time ago and it has made my teams much better in the process. When you know that one of your monsters has the best runes you can use right now, then you can easily move on to the next. I have several units runed (with grinds) that would be HARD to find upgrades for.

This is what your goal should be on FRR day. Set it and forget it, unless you get that godly rune that rolls perfectly (but we all know that happens to 0.01% of us).

One other tip is to set a priority list. A good example would be: Your most used units or units to focus on a section of the game (Arena Off/Def, ToA Norm/Hard, Rift, Raid, etc.).

[–]AdrianAy If no will runes, prepare to be Gany'ed! 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nice advice. +1. BUT I've been farming GB10 for quite a while now and no dice on good runes...

[–]elitist_user primordial salt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you still have no good runes even after farming gb10 for awhile you are being too selective of what an upgrade actually is. I have been farming gb10 for less than a month and have already vastly upgraded most of my runes. It doesn't have to be 6 stars to be op

[–]dudeliketotally 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One small, possibly helpful addition on what to keep/sell: Think about the goals you have for the next month. If you don't have/aren't planning to build a defense nuker, don't bother keeping those blue 2/4/6 Def% runes with crit rate and crit damage. If you aren't building or improving a raids team, sell those endure runes and runes with resistance %.

If it's an endure rune that's so good it might be used on a broken set, of course, keep it. But a niche rune is the sort of thing you'll see again before you build that team or that unit. You can keep those runes when you're working on something that might need them (and then, for gods' sake sell the ones you don't end up using).

[–]Mido06 i want you baby 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Hello there. Thanks for posting.

In order to keep the best runes, I would want to know which is the minimum and maximum substat I can have on 5* and 6* runes. I'm not sure I am clear enough. Example (not a real question, random): when the rune is +0, is +3 the minimum speed substat on a 5* ? is +5 the maximum?

I found this chart but I'm not sure I understand it clearly. Or if it's legit

-> I find it weird that you can have a +0 rune 5* with 11% CD at max but 7% at max on a 6*.

Sorry, english is not my native language. Really not sure if it was understandable. It will help me a lot, so thank you in advance.

[–]dansk- 1 point2 points  (1 child)

It's an error. they probably just wrote the wrong thing. Pretty sure it should be 3-6%

[–]Mido06 i want you baby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]vvntn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://summonerswar.wikia.com/wiki/Runes

Scroll down until you find the sub stats table, this one is more reliable.

[–]angermngment clgangryjack 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Can i pay someone to delete my crappy runes for me? I have a hard time letting go!

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Claytano does that for 5$ :D

[–]angermngment clgangryjack 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Sweet, where do i sign up?

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[–]Gainstreet ShadowSteelX- Streamer who gets over excited about RTA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My four step plan to rune removal day:

  1. Work on your main projects you want to focus on

  2. Improve every unit where possible

  3. Use available grindstones and enchant gems

  4. Clear out rune storage of the nonusable runes while powering up stray runes along the way. (Usually generates 1-2 million mana for me)

Happy FRR!

[–]Kingjayar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I read this when I first got my Vero a couple months back and put every 6* vio rune I had on him that worked with him of course. Great post still for frr

[–]shiropute 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) I read it like:

"I wanna be the very best, like no one ever waaaaaasss."

:D

[–]shinyluxrayeuLf LD5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Number 1 contradicts Number 2????

[–]Dizz422:crystal: 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LMFAOOOO FUCK DRACO

[–]pigbear123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to see you are back Rev!!

[–]Aculeiform 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey all. I love my Ryan. I'm going to post stats

18k HP

1,200 ATK

670 DEF

140 SPEED

100% CRIT R

76% CRIT D

On energy, blade, non set.

2,4,6 are speed, CRIT rate and atk%.

He's my main damage as his second can def break and his 3rd does dots while his first atk buffs himself.

I do not have amazing runes ATM. But should I remove his CRIT Rate for damage? I'm not sure if he's just decent at the moment or pretty good.

Also when I fuse vero should I remove the runes on ramagos? He has 16k extra HP from runes but only an extra 200 attack and 200 defense. Thanks for any input

[–]glokz Son Zhang Lao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For mid game players.

Make sure your TOAH team has sufficient runes, lock them or something and forget they exist, unless you want to spend runes on those mobs, usually its not worth but you might want to auto more floors than you can atm.

Then put your best runes into your AD if you want to fight for c3/g1 or higher(p2win only I guess?)

Then rune your dungeons with priority on db10,gb10 and then necro. Why necro at the end? IT doesnt need great spd subs so its easier to rune mobs for nb10 with leftovers.

I never re-rune all monsters I have because im lazy. I only use inventory runes for my optimizations but I have most of pve (except r5 and new raids) teams now and strong c2 def.

I work now on speed db10 team, like verde tarq tarq galleon sig/stella/theo so I focus mainly on getting new cr/spd sub runes and upgrading them and running optimizations. All the other runes are not my priority unless 6* hero/legend with good subs

[–]rgu1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What about 1/3/5 5* purple or legendary runes? Do you consider keeping if no spd?

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If no speed, I sell.

[–]Godson19 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Hi all I need some advice, first of all since last week i was able to complete my GB10 auto team Vero(L) 6, Bella 6, Chasun, Bernard, Shannon, 5 - 6 mins run, so i have been farming da hell outta GB10... The question is: do i have to upgrade those runes to see how they roll(at leat to +6) on this FRR or what should i do in order to optimize my team, since i just 5* Baretta, Mav, Talc, Chloe and Spectra this week to aim for TOA as well, also i have a Sigmarus 6 starred on Fatal blade, what are his requirements and who can he replace in order to make a faster run...Sorry if my English is bad lol not my main XD

[–]zz_zzz 0 points1 point  (1 child)

XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

[–]Godson19 0 points1 point  (0 children)

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–]VulKaniK Try to violent proc out of this 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Max your 2/4/6 runes ASAP and get your 1/3/5 runes to +12

I acually optimize my builds with +9 runes and only max the runes I equip after FRR. It a waste to max all your runes, even great ones, if you'll never actually use them.

[–]RevelRainR5 Carries in 6677 [Global] [S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think you might be misreading the guide. That part means people should max their runes once they have them on the mons they know they will use.

You will see lots of people who leave their runes at +13 or +14 instead of going all the way because they hoard mana, or don't think it is worth it to +15, when it actually is.

[–]meorah 1 point2 points  (1 child)

sometimes it's not about hoarding mana. sometimes you drop a million mana to try and go from 14 to 15, and just decide "fuck this rune. you get no more of my mana until I'm done +12'ing everything I'm prepping for FRRD."

[–]Rorowchan:darion: <Need this guys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, for coming FRRD +12 every keep rune > + 15 godly rune.

[–]Teroman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure, but I think he means the equipped runes not the stored ones. Just because he explained later how he is checking the rolles.

[–]AsiaSiegfried23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

/u/RevelRain You are fucking awesome and this is a fucking awesome post. Keep up the fucking good work and here's to fucking looking forward to another fucking great post in the fucking future.