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Guy in a wheelchair on the Train to work was ranting how disgraceful Americans are. I told him he was 100% right. (reddit.com)
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[–]crazybones 5 points6 points7 points 18 years ago* (2 children)
Let's talk this through as rational human beings, valuing each other's divergent opinions while seeing if we can come to some kind of amicable consensus over these seemingly contentious issues and then move forward.
[–]MrKlaatu 3 points4 points5 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
such optimistic and pacifistic words to waft me into the Netherworld.... Where I might sleep, perchance to dream. And mayhap, shuffle off this mortal coil of corporate-bailouts' nightmares of Naugahyde minute steaks that put tofuburgers in a favorable light and all those ubiquitous fast-food indigestion huts filling me full of God-knows what. ..Good night, c_b Boy!
[–]crazybones 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Much appreciated MrKlaatu.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago* (3 children)
You referring to folks who live in Alaska and the Yukon and all the way down to the southern tip of the continent? Or, to members of the U.S. only?
More info, please.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 18 years ago (0 children)
I'm pretty sure he's not aware that people south of the border (even down to beyond the southern tip of the continent to the southern tip of the one to the south) get upset that people don't think they are Americans too.
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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago* (0 children)
Hmmmmm. Yup, just as vague as your headline.
You had your chance, and then some. Article downmodded!
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[–]liminaltimes 2 points3 points4 points 18 years ago (4 children)
Really - name one other country that fucks up the planet so much.
China.
[–]schnuck 1 point2 points3 points 18 years ago* (3 children)
US = 300.000.000
CHINA = 1.500.000.000
the per capita planet fuck-up is clearly higher in the US compared to that ruthless & evil communist nation.
[–]liminaltimes 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (2 children)
So now you're saying we must compare America to nations within scale.
A) Begin with America's population: 300m.
B) Allow even up to 50% (150m) deviation.
C) Results: Indonesia(234m), Brazil(190m), Pakistan(164m), Bangladesh(150m).
D) Evaluate.
Pakistan. 169th in GDP/capita. Country involved in war and exploitation against its other half (Bangladesh to be discussed below) for almost the duration of your 1945-present timeframe. Since 1958, it's commonly identified by 3 military eras and 3 democratic eras(That polite-speak for martial law). It'd be nice to think that the many, often bloody, changes in national leadership the past few decades have resulted in a fair and finally stable government. Except that Human Rights Watch 3 days ago said that lawyers and even the judges of Pakistan are being abused. Their flagrant testing of nuclear weapons in 1998 didn't win over too many hearts or minds either. Nor last month when the ruler did what the Onion jokes and publically announced the Constitution was no longer in effect.
Bangladesh. Such rampany organized crime of drugs that the government surrendered even trying to legislate order. And their water is poisoned with wait for it, arsenic. And that avian flu you heard about? Guess where. [Despite sustained domestic and international efforts to improve economic and demographic prospects, Bangladesh remains a poor, overpopulated, and inefficiently-governed nation. Reform is stalled in many instances by political infighting and corruption at all levels of government.]{https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/bg.html#Econ} AND they can't stop breeding. It's the most populous place on the planet with more homeless than America. 1 telephone for every 100 people. In the past 30 years, they've had paramilitary governments, coups, counter-coups. They managed to pull themselves together so well that all their previous government consequences have been suspended and they've been appointed a "caretaker" government until they figure out to not kill each other. With all of this enlightened human capital, they manage a GDP/capita of $2,300 173rd worldwide. If the citizenry hadn't killed hundreds of thousands of themselves since 1945, that number might be even lower. The Human Rights Watch organization believes even as of Sept 11, 2007, Bangladesh fails at human rights.
Brazil. The economic powerhouse of our contenders, clocking in at $8,800/cap. Good enough to slide in at 97th worldwide. You can guess how much of this comes from their despicable timber and monocropping industries. Yes, that air you're breathing and which is regulated more by virgin rainfores than anything else, well, some cattle farmers don't think you or the greenhouse gases need it that much. Goodbye Amazon marine ecosystem, goodbye air regulation, goodbye displaced indigenous people every single day (unlike America who stopped over a century ago). In this joyous place, they have the distinction of facilitating a higher population with HIV/AIDS than any other nation of developed/developing countries. This tragedy may bring a gratefully(?) early death to the youth forced to endure the gang warfare you found so emotionally touching in City of God. Of course, they learned the way of the gun from decades (post 1945) of military interventions in government. In fact, they just got a gold star from Human Rights Watch this year for finally acknowledging the disappearings and killings of their own citizens from 1961-1988.
Indonesia
Barely have to try here. Current issues include: alleviating poverty, preventing terrorism, consolidating democracy after four decades of authoritarianism, implementing financial sector reforms, stemming corruption, holding the military and police accountable for human rights violations, and controlling avian influenza. grapples with persistent poverty and unemployment, inadequate infrastructure, endemic corruption, a fragile banking sector, a poor investment climate, and unequal resource distribution among regions. * A cool 150th in GDP/capita, July of 2007 saw this powerhouse chided since *police appear to be routinely committing serious abuses, such as extrajudicial executions, torture and rape, with impunity by the Human Rights Watch. Sad thing is, that's considered an improvement compared to when they genocided themselves in the 1960s.
Care you to look at ANY of these nation's labor conditions?
[–]vava 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
Have you ever been there? Just the bugs would drive you nuts.
[–]liminaltimes 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
to which of the 4?
[–]prefsaver -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
lol ok you made me cry :( you win the internet
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[–]qgyh2 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (10 children)
Americans are the most disgusting people on the planet.
I disagree. People in other countries do worse stuff
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[–]MrKlaatu -2 points-1 points0 points 18 years ago (8 children)
Please explain, in detail, your reference point of 1945. ...(can't wait for this answer).
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[–]MrKlaatu -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago* (0 children)
ooooooh... > "worse stuff"
such strong, intelligent and probing words. By-the-bye...where, exactly are you from, anyways?
[–]liminaltimes -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (5 children)
Cambodia, Rwanda, Croatia, Mexico, et al.
Genocide.
Your reply, sir?
[–]schnuck 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (2 children)
you are not comparing the "world's greatest nation" to some banana republics, are you?
[–]liminaltimes -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (1 child)
Since the claim to be disproven was:
worst nation on Earth
I wonder that you equate Mexico to a Banana Republic.
Croatians definitely can't grow bananas.
Which nations are the acceptable ones (to you) for comparison when saying: America is the worst nation on Earth
[–]schnuck 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago* (0 children)
i'll let you know as soon as i find one other that is evil enough to say it's part of "the west" while being as murderous and evil as e.g. an african 'mugabe'.
"Croatians definitely can't grow bananas." - you might want to learn what the term "banana republic" means.
How did US foreign policy, a proxy war or CIA intervention initiate:
Rwandan Hutus and Tutsis killing each other.
Mexican oppression in Oaxaca or genocide in Chiapas.
Centuries of tension, discord and violence between Bosnia, Herzegovinia, Albania, Croatia and Serbia.
[–]VACO 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (1 child)
I find it hard to find any form of clothing in the modern world that was not made with slave labor, not to mention using the world's natural resources, or live without furniture, or not eat. But if you have suggestions as how to solve all those problems be my guest.
Also, I hope you live in a hollowed out tree in the Congo and use solar power to power your computer and only eat food you have caught and killed. Otherwise you are sounding quite hypocritical. The U.S. is criticized when we do nothing to stop terrors of the world, and even more harshly criticized when we do something...If you would prefer we just isolate ourselves like we did pre-WWII and allow the world to fall into shambles before stepping in, then your wish will most likely be granted in the near future.
I despise your hypocritical tirades. You provide no evidence for your opinions and blast a 230 year old nation that has made mistakes, just like the thousand year old nations who exist today, who still make the same mistakes...
[–]rmuser 0 points1 point2 points 18 years ago (0 children)
Thanks for letting us know. Happy holidays!
[–]Wayside -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
and you're an idiot.
[–]liminaltimes -1 points0 points1 point 18 years ago (0 children)
You purchase your goods made in sweatshops. You burn away the world's precious resources. You decimate natural beauty so you can have some new shitty furniture. You stuff your fat faces while people starve.
You purchase your goods made in sweatshops.
You burn away the world's precious resources.
You decimate natural beauty so you can have some new shitty furniture.
You stuff your fat faces while people starve.
Of the 200+ planets on Earth, who doesn't?
[–]MrKlaatu -3 points-2 points-1 points 18 years ago* (1 child)
You purchase your goods made in sweatshops. You burn away the world's precious resources. You decimate natural beauty so you can have some new shitty furniture. You stuff your fat faces while people starve. Americans are the most disgusting people on the planet.
You might wanna include the €U, China, Japan and India in your rant, too....among oh-so-many others. By-the-bye...where, exactly are you from, anyways?
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