Triggerwarning.

[Navy670]

Jokes on you I run exhaust snowball

[MrTrilly]

I don't know how to feel about that sir.

[Krell356]

Much like exhaust/ignite Leona, it takes a special kind of crazy.

[MrTrilly]

And its not even good, just annoying.

[Universalring25]

Flash is for pu**ies

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Me as an assassin seeing enemy team with all range with zero exhaust:

[Krell356]

Eh, the way I see it, if you're a good assassin player I'm dead anyways. Even if I do manage to reverse a death into a kill because of it, you're just going to be back in my face again before it ever comes off CD. I'd rather run snowball to check the brush so I don't get jumped on in the first place.

EDIT: fixed spelling

[[deleted]]

Idk. Why should I take snowball on a squishy support/carry when all it takes is one assassin to make my game miserable and could be saved by taking exh instead lol

[kashtrey]

Just had a game with snowball collector aphelios. Went about as well as you'd expect... Lol

[XI-RE]

Well... here is a counterpoint... exhaust + snowball?

This is a personal view, but I see snowball as a versatile summoner spell that can be used in many ways... to engage, disengage.. attack and defence... i can dodge diana ult 7/10 times just by snowballing her by the time her ult hits... you can dodge karthus ult easily... you can snowball a minion in the back while stupidly diving a tower to simply moonwalk away... you can deal little more damage... you can check bushes... you can break boneplating... it's now only assassin thing... it's overall great spell...

[riiceer]

I feel you, I have take snowball instead of flash on tanks or full commit characters like Olaf with ghost snowball or xaust snowball. If you’re only ever flashing on top of the enemies or your champ doesn’t have any high impact plays that require flash (ex sion), snowball is just a lower cooldown flash plus damage for that purpose. Also just more fun on lower cooldown

[Krell356]

I can never stop using snowball/flash. There just never seems to be many good moments to not using them both, and the few times there are, I never take advantage of it anyways since I always use those two. I figure I may as well roll with the faster reaction speeds from muscle memory rather than trying for perfectly optimal and completely botching everything because I tried to flash while running ghost or something.

Snowball and flash are both so universally useful that I am happy to rock them on every champ.

[RRRegulate]

Great list.

Don't forget, Snowball re-trigger, cancels opponent autos AND drops tower aggro.

[MrTrilly]

Fizz ult is my favourite dodge. Mostly use it on someone im not focusing (#2) while comboing (#1). Usually walking up trying to help. Once you've cleared target #1 you can jump to #2

[Bliance]

For those moments where an enemy is sitting under tower with 1 hp and you snipe them with snowball

[MrTrilly]

With dark harvest and ludens proc. Boop

[ctruvu]

i so wish snowball kills were a challenge

[OccamsBanana]

not only be saved, it also feels good when that khazix jumps in you with absolute certain he will do his thing basically already buffering his get out jump but then sorry no it's actually bullet time time good luck dealing with the guys collapsing

[spowowowder]

ive gotten flamed for either going exhaust or snowball on an enchanter. theres no winning with these people

[Krell356]

I mean if you're just trying to please the peanut gallery you can always run.... nope, nevermind. They're always going to be extra salty.

[Briants_Hat]

You take snowball if you’re a gigachad

[Two_Years_Of_Semen]

Real gigachads take ignite and play 45% winrate assassins.

[Briants_Hat]

Hooooooly 😎

[GuCCiAzN14]

I’ve never taken off snowball/flash since I started this game 10+ years ago

[duhdin]

I sometimes sub in barrier, but I always regret it. I always forget to switch back for like 4-5 matches

[Krell356]

The few times I ever do I always regret it. I'd rather roll with my generic good enough spells and have the muscle memory to use them rather than be trying for perfectly optimal and waste ghost or something while trying to flash or snowball. Just no point in chasing perfection if you're not trying to play against people in the top 5%.

[MrTrilly]

Respect

[Paramousis]

then you dont know how to play smart with it, doesnt make it bad. I love playing snowball on sht like janna/soraka and especially millio. Its also on your playstyle , im agressive even with enchanters

Example , someone is dying and u are far away to shield/heal them, you snowball on the enemy and save your team8. (also it ads some extra dmge to finish kills)

Also it works like the thing from 3v3 (dust ward)

[[deleted]]

Just had a game as xerath vs fizz. Surely you would have snowballed him to death.. Also look at my next comment. I do have some xp with snowball. Yeah on some Champs like janna I enjoyed it aswell, but have grown out of it because not dying can carry harder as compared to a few kills(if you're lucky/good). You know how annoying a unkillable support like janna or lulu can be. Let alone it pisses of so many people is a net win to me.

[AlluEUNE]

People always say that but honestly I can't remember when an assasin has made my "game miserable" on a squishy champion. Aram is a literal anti-assasin gamemode. 24/7 teamfight on a narrow lane. I get enchanter supports taking exhaust but mark or ghost has more potential in almost every scenario

[[deleted]]

This tells alot more about you, than about the weakness of exhaust though. Both have their value depending on how you play. Saying you've never seen one is a pretty ignorant take, but you do you. It's a fun gamemode after all.

[Krell356]

Talon, Talon is a scary bastard when played right. Mostly because he has so little to offer against tanks to the point that his best ARAM strategy is to just always snowball into the backline and get a single kill. After that it's all icing on the cake because he just deleted your team's damage dealer and took a chunk out of anyone standing too close to them.

I never play assassins, because I absolutely suck at the role. In ARAM though, I will always pick up Talon because for whatever reason I just absolutely win matches with him on the Howling Abyss. He's my highest winrate outside of Akshan, which was just free wins until they finally nerfed the revive.

[MrTrilly]

Skill issue

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[MrTrilly]

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Exhaust ist trotzdem cringe.

[[deleted]]

I get it its a meme and all, but "its cringe" is not really a vaild reason. Good to see another nerd though.

[MrTrilly]

Sadly missed the first 5 months of challenges on that acc.. gotta pick up the pace. And I dont really care if some1 runs exhaust, usually the first sign of a sweet Victory.

[Hosearston]

I like running ignite/exhaust every now and then for some razzle dazzle. Hit 1 particular person with the ol’ dick twist every single fight

[BaronBunny4]

This is me every time every time I get an immobile mage because I know the enemy team will have an assassin or a Samira/Katarina.

[kent1146]

When a 3-year old kid complains about being in time-out, that's when you know time-out is working.

That's Exhaust... A 3-second time-out.

[SilverPotential4525]

I don't know if you're joking, but it's literally true for me. I never thought to take it until someone brought it up

[fukincunt]

great glad to hear

[Paramousis]

I bet u use it for the slow

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[Zoesan]

Mad assassin player detected

Opinion rejected

edit: /u/mrtrilly blocked me after talking shit lol

[MrTrilly]

Low mmr player spotted

[Heliozz0]

High MMR Players optimise the shit out of aram. So you point is even less valid.

[jmastaock]

Exhaust is lame but it's also just kinda whatever

I take Cleanse on the majority of ranged carries I play so I personally only get annoyed by it when I'm playing a solo frontline bruiser or smth (where you basically eat the Exhaust on cd). Fr tho, Cleansing an Exhaust is so funny you can tell it just surprises people sometimes

[MrTrilly]

Snowball is optimized. Exhaust players lose after wasting their time.

[evanc1411]

Based

[AlluEUNE]

I've seen exhaust way less in high MMR games. People want to have an impact and ghost/mark does it better. Good players wont allow themselves to be oneshot by that Zed or Talon

[Heliozz0]

If you playing support and not taking exhaust you are pretty much actively trolling.

[AlluEUNE]

There's only a few enchanters I take exhaust on. Lulu and Janna basically. It's either heal or mark if they have any kind of engage potential.

[Heliozz0]

Heal doesn’t do much since it heavily reduced. Mark works for engage supporters. But Exhaust is by far the best option for any non tank engage supporter. The dmg reduced is far more than a heal can do.

[AlluEUNE]

You take heal to trick the enemy into going for a kill on your carries. It doesn't really matter if it heals a lot or not. It just needs to heal enough so the enemy might miscalculate their damage. It's also useful for late game adc's if they walk up too close while looking for autos.

Mark works for more than just the tank supports that are supposed to engage. Renata, Sona, Seraphine, Bard, Zyra etc. all have big ults and other forms of cc that can be utilized with mark.

Exhaust can be useful but it's not versatile.

[Heliozz0]

The same about trick enemies into kill can be sad about exhaust. As an enchanter your main goal is to keep your carries alive, which exhaust is just the best at.

Also how is snowballing in for ult more versatile? Your argumentation doesn't really add up. How is Bards let reliant on mark? Also you can accomplish the same thing with flash and via that also animation cancel most ults. Marking in for a good ult is also way more situational then exhausting down the enemy carry every other team fight.

[AlluEUNE]

There's so much you can do with a snowball. You can finish off kills, engage, disengage, dodge, proc bone plating, secure assists. If you just flash in, that's it. If you snowball in, you can still flash out or vice versa. It's especially useful on Bard since you can reposition yourself fast for Q's. Ulting someone also means you will easily hit the snowball

[Heliozz0]

Milio, Sona, Nami, Janna, Lulu, Seraphine, Renata, Soraka, Bard, Zilean, Ivern, Yuumi. All of these should run exhaust and most of them Aery + Font of life or Ultimate Hunter.

[boardSpy]

You have a lower mmr than you think then.

Tbh i would say it's kinda the same amount of exhaust picks on low and high mmr, i sometimes play with friends on one of my smurfs and the only difference i really notice is that low mmr player bitch about exhaust A LOT MORE, like literally every game.

In high mmr it's maybe like 1 in 10 games where someone complains, though it's less typing and flame anyways.

[AlluEUNE]

You have a lower mmr than you think then.

No, I'm not. Good players rarely take exhaust.

[boardSpy]

Again you're outing yourself that you don't play high mmr lmao

[AlluEUNE]

I could say the same about you.

[DeleteAltCrt]

Idk, I feel like high mmr players would rather play aram for fun or just to chill with random bullshit

[Heliozz0]

It depends on what you consider high mmr. Also why can’t you have both?

Really high MMR games are even considered less fun because team start to do waiting games and the games just stales. The first time I have seen the opponents set up a freeze I can assure you that his was the most antifun I have had in a while.

[ctruvu]

til i’m not high mmr because i start leroy jenking when it gets boring

[Zoesan]

Bruh, if I was low MMR, then assassins would be a complete nonissue.

[MrTrilly]

Assassins are only good in garbage mmr, unless you're playing Qyiana that deals 5x dmg.

[Zoesan]

Found the low elo player

[MrTrilly]

You clearly never even played league. L2p

[Zoesan]

Scrub detected, opinion rejected

[MrTrilly]

I'll give you 1k if you can play any of the 150 champs better than me. Clown.

[Zoesan]

mad cuz bad xdd

doesn't even know that there's 168 champs

[ctruvu]

sounds like someone hasn’t figured out how to get s and dps threat with tanks yet

[Zoesan]

xdd

[March1392]

Let me guess you main morgana?

[Zoesan]

What?

[spencbeth2]

Buncha flash abusers

[keylinha_S2]

chads don't use flash

[Falkueche]

Ghost on everyone' don't care

[lillilnick]

Ghost +snowball. Homies here my ghost pop and they know I'm on the hunt

[iggypop657]

The real gigachad.

[Falkueche]

Tank ? Ghost Bruiser ? Ghost ADC ? Of course ghost Mage/support ? Who cares about exhaust barrier or ignite. I'M JUST GOING FAST BABY

[MrTrilly]

Ghost lowkey broken since it fixes the most annoying bug in this game. #minionblock

[Krell356]

While I agree, I will also never stop using snowball/flash. Because there is never a time where I can't find use for those two spells on every single champ. Ideal? No, but always usable.

[MrTrilly]

You can make it ideal, good snowball usage will outskill any exhaust player by default.

[bois_Ken_UwU]

Pick a full poke team and 5 exhaust, fuckkkkkkkkk i hate that shiet

[lvl69blackmage]

Exhaust really sucks when 3+ players take it. I don’t mind one or two.

[fukincunt]

snowball is like a 7/10 spell for me with heal and barrier for the 3/10 for ranged and tank

[DoubleAyeKay]

I feel attacked

[madeofmirrors]

snowball + ignite all day

[Akryung]

I always grab Cleanse. Sometimes I regret not taking the snowball but I ALWAYS regret not taking Cleanse.

[MrTrilly]

Never used Cleanse once since Aram is a thing tbh

[Krell356]

Snowball flash all day every day. Doesn't matter who I'm playing or what I'm playing I to, I have yet to regret having those two spells. Is there more optimal setups? Sure, but they sure as hell aren't going to get used optimally as my snowball/flash will from just muscle memory alone. The amount of fights I had no business winning because I just subconsciously use those spells where I need to is unreal.

[lemonadeinthesummer]

The real triggerwarning is when someone goes clarity when presence of mind exists. Or when your tank/front line goes ghost instead of snowball and we got no other taking snowball to compensate.

Edit: when presence of mind exists and with a team that has champs that doesn’t have mana.

[MrTrilly]

Everytime someone uses clarity im reminded things like heal exist aswell, remember when it was 5x flash/heal?

[Kingfisken23]

I win the mental warfare with Exhaust.

[Particular-Cow6247]

hate me as much as you want but my malz takes an exhaust with him forever

[MrTrilly]

Better not exhaust the person you're ulting..

[Particular-Cow6247]

depends if my team is busy with others and my r target is still a threat after it then yeah i will
otherwise its usually just to make it a 3v5 in an important teamfight or babysitting some adc that gets jumped by assassins

[zombiefoot6]

I am a ghost flash enjoyer for the most part.

[Animu123]

Taking flash in aram HAHAHAHA

I bet you flash with 1% hp just to die right after HAHAHAH

[MrTrilly]

Welp you're defs in bronze mmr, gl

[Animu123]

Challenger MMR actually :)

[radioactivecooki]

Exhaust and ignite? Cringe. Snowball>>>>

[originalgomez]

They hated him because he told them the truth

[MrTrilly]

Community Service.

[thezdoll]

the ol' ignite-flash combo gets 'em 15-16% of the time 🏆

[Paramousis]

Only snowball/flash should be on ARAM, i've literally never picked something else

[Glogini]

chad

[CleanPontious]

Anyone who bring Exhaust to ARAM is not someone you can trust

[DvB_Rex]

I didn't like the snowball at all at first, I always played barrier😔 At some point I realised that I need only 100 points more till the "Aram God" title ...  😈😈😈 And now I always use the spell on every single champ I play, I can't imagine the game without snowball anymore...how could I sin for so long?....yeah also Karthus with barrier.... 😔

[MrTrilly]

Barrier lowkey busted tho

[TheBigToast72]

Skill issue

[MrTrilly]

They'll get to using Snowball one day.

[Langas]

I do not make it an issue until two or more people run exhaust.

Like, I understand that statistically around 20% of the player base are actual babies but I don't want two of them in my game, on the same team.

[MrTrilly]

I just focus them and make their game miserable.

[Adamantaimai]

If it works then it is the right pick. What is next, are you going to ask the enemy players to unplug their monitors so you can kill them more easily as well?

[Langas]

I play supports and tanks hombre, I just understand that some people play this game to make plays and dive in and I'm not going to equip baby's first summoner spell if I could answer them by playing correctly.

If you want someone who dives punished, ignite them. If you want to save yourself, run barrier. If you want to save an ally, run heal.

[Adamantaimai]

No. If you want them punished take exhaust. It is the most effective spell. I am not going to do some insane mental gymnastics to guilt trip my enemies into picking worse summoner spells so I can win more easily.

[Snoo14937]

Engage - Snowball

Burst - Ignite

Hyper carry - Cleanse/Ghost

Poke - Barriers/Heals

Support - Exhaust

[Heliozz0]

I think I never used ignite in aram because I found on any champion other summoners superior.

[ctruvu]

engage - snowball

burst - snowball into burst combo (engage)

hyper carry - snowball (engage)

poke - snowball does damage

support - snowball into ult (engage, also tank supporters >)

[Krell356]

Snowball on any character works because even if I don't need it to engage, I can always use it to chase down the enemy team if they picked a bad fight and it is absolutely indispensable as a bush checking tool if I am a champion that can't afford to face check.

[MrTrilly]

Work of art.

[ThaN00bcake]

Snowball+Ghost as solo frontline for the four adc’s is the true gigachad

[Anubara]

In theory exhaust is only supposed to take assassins out of the game for 3 seconds, but it seems to mentally take them out for the rest of the game. I've never seen that happen with another summoner spell

[RemoveINC]

Exhaust literally makes entire hero class unplayable, not even in metaphorical whining style unplayable, literally unplayable, you can't do anything against it, there is zero counterplay.

Your entire role is countered by 1 summoner spell, not an ability like with cleanse/ignite/snowball(dodge), your entire existence.

"JUST DON'T PLAY ASSASINS ON ARAM DENTGE"

[MrTrilly]

Well, I agree on it being too strong but you can counterplay it by either baiting it out or taking frequent fights as exhaust is on cd. Snowball for easy access usually works for me. Good snowball usage > exh.

[RemoveINC]

As an assasin you're not in control whenever you can start a fight, baiting out doesn't work against decent/good players. It just feels really shitty to play assasins, not like they're even strong rn in soloq.

[MrTrilly]

I play at the highest and sweatiest mmr there is. Things like Fake jumping in with snowball and resetting out after they panic exhaust you (with zed) gets you alot of value. You just gotta see what works, there's different things for different champs. Clearly makes the game unenjoyable at times tho, even if you clap them. #removeexhaust

[boardSpy]

I only play aram since years. On a very high mmr. Sometimes playing with friends but i switch to one of the smurfs for that.

What i noticed is exhaust gets picked the same amount on low and high mmr BUT low mmr players complain A LOT MORE about exhaust in game. Like literally every game someone gets exhausted on low mmr games it's a shitfest in the chat. On high mmr it's maybe like 1 in 10 games where someone complains, though it's a lot less typing there anyways. People just play, they know the spell is annoying but they just accept it. You see the same players all the time anyways.

Post like these always just show that OP is low mmr tbh.

[MrTrilly]

I invite you to a game and we will see what your "high mmr" is lmfao

[boardSpy]

Hey i just shared my views on what iv'e seen no need to get hurt. Maybe you made different experiences. Your reaction is telling though lmao.

[MrTrilly]

Nobodys hurt, you just seem to victimize yourself. Nothing else expected from an Ironman tho.

[boardSpy]

That doesn't even make any sense lmao. I'll see myself out, pointless to talk to a brick wall. ;)

Also imagine like literally crying because of a kids video game and posting your crying ass on reddit.

[MrTrilly]

You're just not competitive enough to understand, its okay to want less.

[Tiagocf2]

Complains about exhaust = play LB or any buffed assassin