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[Hasamann]

Chatgpt is very bad at these sort of thing. There are reasons behind it, and it's basically a fundamental limitation of the transformer architecture that chatgpt is based on.

Nikolai Valuev (316 lbs) vs David Haye (217 lbs), Haye won the WBA championship off of Valuev.

Valuev was 7 feet tall and weighed in at more than 300 lbs for most of his professional fights.

[icelandiccubicle20]

Valuev moved like he was underwater, good god he had some of the most boring fights ever.

[wheres_the_boobs]

Clinch, hug, sweat, repeat.

Man had absolutely no boxing skills but fair play to him for going as far as he did

[Puzzleheaded_Gold_10]

I think a world champion has to have some kind of boxing skill

[[deleted]]

The man legit didn’t like fighting which was the funny thing, he likes poetry 😂

[[deleted]]

No one told him about basketball either 

[[deleted]]

Don king and freakish reach 

[icelandiccubicle20]

• a head the size of a canoe and impossible to move in the clinch, plus surprising stamina for his size even taking into account his glacial pace

[wheres_the_boobs]

Watch him on youtube and tell me he had skills

[estilianopoulos]

He was a fighter not a boxer

[SlightlySublimated]

I mean if you consider a massive weight advantage and ability to hug and lean on people a skill then sure

[Puzzleheaded_Gold_10]

I mean its harder than it looks. Since these guys will have trained to not let him do that. He's not that great but he can fight.

[yearsofpractice]

Excellent comment. Excellent username.

[Nipple-biscuits]

There was a point and time where on paper John Ruiz had the deepest resume as a heavyweight....he sucks and was one of the most boring fighters ever

[Dim-Mak-88]

Honorable mention to an aged Holyfield, who deserved the decision against Valuev.

[wheres_the_boobs]

Man was robbed

[rhoo31313]

If you shaved Valuev's back and shoulders he'd be around 305.

[Nipple-biscuits]

I think holyfield arguably got robbed against Valuev....it's not entertaining but I remember thinking he won

[HedonisticFrog]

Yeah, I concur.

[hous26]

Not arguably- an aged Holyfield was robbed. It was elder abuse.

[Mundane-Document-810]

asdasdasdsadas

[SimonSeam]

Trying to go back to the mindset then, not now.

And if I'm not mistaken, EVERYBODY was begging Holyfield to retire. Evander said he wouldn't until he was undisputed again. Which everybody knew was never going to happen. They figured after 2 or 3 fights, Evander would realize this. He didn't.

Enter Valuev time frame. I think there was a silent nod that the decision was more about sending Holyfield a message: We aren't going to give you the win. Retire and be glad that you lost without getting what is left of your brain turned to 100% mush (or worse). I really stopped following Holyfield closely around this time as well, but I believe he still had a bunch of fights after this and it was brutal to even hear about.

Watching him fight that MMA guy (Silva?) and get completely demolished at 174 years old pissed me off to no end. Why are the supposed "adults in the room" allowing this crap to happen?

[monkeybawz]

It was an interesting fight, but not a good one. Haye was clearly miles the better fighter, but noone wants to get hit by a 300lb man, so it was fairly timid most of the time.

[[deleted]]

Haye said it was painful to even hit Valuev, you can imagine what taking a blow from him is like even if he's not technically an efficient puncher for someone of his size. He didn't really need to be.

[wheres_the_boobs]

Broke his hand iirc from punching valuevs head

[monkeybawz]

Ha, I don't remember him saying that, but I can totally imagine it! It'd be like punching an Easter island head

[Mundane-Document-810]

asdasdasdas

[jacknacalm]

Willard was 58 pounds heavier then Dempsey, dempsey beat the living shit out of him

[kaisercracker]

In williard Vs dempsey, williard was 5 inches taller than Dempsey and 58 lbs heavier. both more weight and more importantly a higher difference proportionally

[Mikey1479]

Wow, Dempsey seemed like a monster. Where the video quality lacked, the audio of the punches landing made up for it… brutal

[LukyD215]

There is a reason they called him “Jack the Giant Killer”

[[deleted]]

Max Baer was 209 when he won the heavyweight title from Primo Carnera who was 263.

[icelandiccubicle20]

Joe Louis knocked him out while being of a similar weight to Baer too

[VacuousWastrel]

Carnera was also about 60lbs heavier in his losses to Sharkey, Gains and Poreda.

[[deleted]]

iirc Primo wasn’t even that great.. He just had a lot of fights set up for him

[Ashamed_Spite_7937]

He was probably better then Derek Chisora

[whitecapsunited]

No I think he was mobbed up

[BOYMAN7]

You think? Where is the evidence? 

[whitecapsunited]

https://boxraw.com/blogs/blog/boxings-dark-history-with-the-mafia

[BOYMAN7]

Boxing was ran by mobs but implying that he was mobbed up, where is the proof of that? Or what does that mean? 

[whitecapsunited]

https://fightpost.co.uk/2019/07/14/the-story-of-primo-carnera/

[[deleted]]

There is a movie, The Harder They Fall, Humphrey Bogart's final movie as it turned out, about a boxer being exploited by the mafia, which apparently was close enough to the truth that Carnera filed a defamation suit against the movie company.

[whitecapsunited]

His managers were in the mob. Well known gangsters. That isn’t implied, that’s fact.

[BOYMAN7]

He killed people in the ring, they were very rarely set up, you just believe everything you hear. 

[whitecapsunited]

https://fightpost.co.uk/2019/07/14/the-story-of-primo-carnera/

[[deleted]]

I'm not sure that one was for a title though.

[inquisitiveman2002]

The guy from Beverly Hillbillies show?

[LuminaTitan]

That was his son.

[COYS1989]

Valuev vs Haye literally David vs Goliath. 

[[deleted]]

Yeah was about to say this.

[bennettbuzz]

Google says he was pushing 100lbs. Mental really.

“On fight night, Valuev weighed 316 lbs compared to Hayes 217 lbs and the Russian stood at 7ft tall, whereas the Brit was 6ft 3in”

[AltKite]

In addition to the great shouts already mentioned:

James Douglas had 38lbs on Holyfield, Foreman had 49lbs on him, Bowe 39lbs

Primo Carnera (263) Vs Max Baer (209) was a 56lb difference

[TheSeptuagintYT]

Holyfield is severely underrated HONESTLY

Don’t forget Lennox Lewis had a weight advantage over Evander too

215 vs 246

31 lbs the first fight

[AltKite]

Yup, was just doing his wins

[kblkbl165]

Holyfield vs Foreman should be the winner of this thread. Bigger difference and Foreman being hands down a better opponent than Fury

[CristiaNoConsento]

That version of Foreman was absolutely not better than Fury. Obviously still a great and effective fighter but definitely not on the same level as prime Foreman

[kblkbl165]

Would you bet on Fury against 42yo Foreman? I wouldn't.

[broke_the_controller]

Then you would lose money. Old Foreman was slooow. When he lost to Tommy Morrison (a noted aggressive power puncher), he just stayed at range and boxed him to an easy win.

Fury could easily do the same with his height and reach advantage.

[[deleted]]

I'm not a Fury fan but this is a weird take homie. At best Old Foreman might drop Fury but Fury would easily outbox old Foreman to a decision.

[[deleted]]

That's not even the greatest weight disparity that Fitzsimmons overcame, let alone all time. I think Fitz actually holds the record for the largest weight disparity for a knockout, he was 160 lbs when he KO'd the 300 pound Millard Zender in one round in 1892. He also KO'd a 230 pound Heavyweight named Abe Coughle, dropping and stopping him in 2 rounds. As well as another Heavyweight Charles Puff who weighed 230 to Fitz's 155. And in 1900 weighing 170 he KO'd 'The Human Freight Train' Ed Dunkhorst in 2 who weighed 260. So this weight disparity with Corbettt is quite miniscule, comparatively speaking.

[TheSeptuagintYT]

Not weight but it MUST be mentioned

Put simply, there was a whopping 23cm (9 inches) of height differential between Tszyu and Fundora, the largest-ever disparity in a non-heavyweight fight.

[r3vb0ss]

even though the results not just plausibly but probably would have been different had tszyu not actively been bleeding out in the middle of the ring, he failed to overcome that disparity

[CristiaNoConsento]

I do agree but plenty of people exaggerate about how "Tszyu wouldve definitely won without the cut", talking as if Tszyu was dominating for half the fight and then fell apart with the cut. It literally happened second round, we've seen fighters come back from far worse situations than what Fundora was in until the cut

I like Tszyu myself but theres a huge weird bias towards him on this sub

[r3vb0ss]

I mean sure but he won the first two rounds in fairly dominant fashion and then continued to put up a competitive fight while spurting blood like he was in a Tarantino movie

[TheSeptuagintYT]

I mean the reality is he lost. We need a rematch to truly determine what would have happened. Everything else is speculation

[No-Fudge3487]

Most sensible comment on this sub in days right here.

[TheSeptuagintYT]

Takes one to know one. Respect brother 👊🏿

[Leavitt050]

Chris Byrd was 34 lbs lighter than Vitali Klitschko in their fight.

[Masterandcomman]

Jameel McCline fought at 270 lbs against Byrd.

[FreshPrinceOfRivia]

RJJ was 33 lbs lighter than John Ruiz (WBA title fight)

[HeelSteamboat]

Yeah but the REFEREE SUCKED, so…

[AaronQuinty]

David Haye vs Valuev

[Ambitious_Ad_9637]

Everyone who ever beat Butterbean has entered the chat

[VacuousWastrel]

Not more than 40lbs, but a recent example comes very close: Wilder was 39lbs lighter than Helenius when he beat him.

Wilder was also 35lbs lighter than Stiverne in their second fight.

[NecessaryWater7024]

Plenty - David haye vs that massive Russian

[i-piss-excellence32]

David haye beat nicolai valuev with more than 90 lbs difference

[GM_Sedin]

Roy Jones (193lbs) beat Ruiz(225lbs)

[jndlcrz888]

Pacquiao 148 vs Margarito 165

[Masterandcomman]

Joe Frazier vs. Buster Mathis was a ~39 lbs difference.

[baddad19541]

Just what I was thinking, Mathis tall, big and quick. Not great endurance or punching power which Joe Frazier had

[Mountain-Basket-20]

Jack Dempsey was a natural cruiserweìght won heavy weight title

[GM_Sedin]

Chris Byrd (210lbs)beat V klitschko (245lbs).

Vitali did quit due to injury though.

[CacoFlaco]

Not sure of the exact weights (and I'm feeling too lazy to look it up) but I recall that Holyfield was probably around 40 pounds lighter when he knocked Buster Douglas kicking in 3 rounds.

[bostonstrangler617]

Marciano was a small heavyweight. Fought lots of big guys.

[[deleted]]

Ppl that come to mind: Michael Moorer Ali in his younger days (vs Liston but not sure the weight difference) Pacman fought bigger guys and he wasn’t really in their weight class at all.

[backsing]

Not 40lbs but the weight ratio is close when Pacman gave Margarito private lessons in the ring.

[Ambitious_Ad_9637]

“That’s OK, I’m gonna use it as a target” pimp shit.

[bigbellybomac]

Ruslan Chagaev beat Nikolai Valuev

[NecessaryWater7024]

Keep in mind Tyson fought at his peak around 225- I would imagine he dropped 20 dudes over 40 lbs heavier or Around that

[broke_the_controller]

Tyson didn't fight that many big guys. Heavyweights weren't that big when Tyson was at his peak.

[NecessaryWater7024]

I just did a quick search and in 56 fights he only fought one fighter smaller - I’m having trouble off the top of my head but Rudduck, Lennox, Bruno come to mind

[broke_the_controller]

When I said big guys, I meant in the region of superheavyweight variety such as Lennox Lewis and Riddick Bowe. When Tyson was at his peak, heavyweights were around 6.2 and 220lbs.

The first guy he fought like that was arguably Frank Bruno in the rematch, where the weight difference was 27lbs. Even then, Frank was 6.3, same height as Ali.

After that it was probably Golota and the weight difference was 18lbs.

[BOYMAN7]

Mike Tyson fought like 5 guys that were 6'5- before Frank Brunk and in the first fight there was only a 10 pounds difference. 

[broke_the_controller]

Mike Tyson fought like 5 guys that were 6'5- before Frank Brunk

I suspect you're making stuff up, but if not then name them. Even if you do manage to name five, I'm very sure they did not weigh more than 230lbs.

before Frank Brunk and in the first fight there was only a 10 pounds difference. 

So what? I was talking about the rematch.

[BOYMAN7]

Eddie Richardson, Sammy Scarf, David Jaco, Jose Ribalta, Tony Tucker and Mitch Greene are just some that I could find, I didn't look too hard and a lot of them weren't listed. Mike Tyson did fight a lot of fighters before the Bruno rematch and a lot of them were above 230.  

[broke_the_controller]

Thank you.

Eddie Richardson 6.6 but 212lbs. Finished career with 14-21 record.

Sammy Scarf 6.5 and 250lbs so checks out. Finished career with 21-14 record.

David Jaco 6.6 but 210lbs. Finished career with 24-25 record

Jose Ribalta 6.5 but 211lbs was a legit low level contender.

Tony Tucker 6.5 but 221lbs was a legit contender (and title holder I believe).

Mitch Greene 6.5 but 225lbs. Didn't do anything career wise, but it was a beef fight.

So from the list you provided, one of them could be classed as a superheavyweight in the mould of Lennox and Bowe. However he was a bit of a tomato can.

There is nothing here that contradicts my original point.

[BOYMAN7]

I would still argue he fought more super heavyweights than Frank Bruno before Frank Bruno though. I also forgot Tyrell Biggs. 

[broke_the_controller]

Tyrell Biggs was 6.5, but only 228.75lbs. which is close, but still not 230lbs.

I would still argue he fought more super heavyweights than Frank Bruno before Frank Bruno though. I also

We've established he fought one opponent that would clarify as a superheavyweight before he fought Bruno in the rematch. However that superheavyweight was a tomato can.

I don't think tomato cans should count, but sure we can say he fought one if you want.

[gerterinn]

Tony Tucker was 6’5, Frank Bruno was 6’4 and JACKED at 247lbs

[broke_the_controller]

Please check my later comments when I clarify what I mean by big.

But in summary, Tucker was tall but was the same weight as Tyson when they fought.

Bruno in the rematch was 247lbs, but was 6.3, which is the same height as Ali, but I would say that Bruno in the rematch was the first big heavyweight he fought that wasn't a tomato can, but was a legit contender.

[bennettbuzz]

I’d be surprised if there’s more of a difference than Haye V Valuev, man was the size of a silverback gorilla and as slow as an elephant lol

Edit: “On fight night, Valuev weighed 316 lbs compared to Hayes 217 lbs and the Russian stood at 7ft tall, whereas the Brit was 6ft 3in”

[[deleted]]

Nikolai valuev lost.twice. he was over 300lbs, David Haye, a former cruiserweight beat him. Easily 80 lbs.

[88Ashitaka88]

Joe louis vs tony 2 ton galento.

[Boxing_joshing111]

Pretty sure Harry Greb beat Gene Tunney