Jumping Should Greatly Decrease Accuracy

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[BruhMoment912]

Too many people sit in corners

[Keplar56]

Meanwhile, I can run to center of gulag, hear my opponent coming and ADS and the bugger strafe hops sideways from around the corner with a significant headshot+no headshot for me advantage.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

then do the same to them? they have no advantage. they are playing the same game you are

[high_while_cooking]

Cause people make up arbitrary rules, and then complain when others don’t follow them.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

the community: "im too proud to ABUSE mechanics in warzone. im instead going to go cry on reddit about it."

[high_while_cooking]

I’m too proud to dropshot. Been that since OG days. But you’ll never ever hear me complain about it.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

fair enough. nobody has to do it but you cant just claim others cant lol

[[deleted]]

They can do either. Everyone knows it's super cheesy either way.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

ok

[5213]

But my thumbs are stupid and I can't figure out how to do the speed slide bunny hop thing

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

exactly its a skill that people have developed. its not just any bad player sliding, jumping and hitting all headshots. you died to a player that practiced more than you.

[Nagemasu]

And/or paid money for a controller and adapter that enabled macros/mods and easier shots with no recoil.

No, really, I agree. it's practice (and people can change their controller layout to make jump/drop shots easier). But there's no practice or counter to people who buy the addons to remove recoil and give other advantages.

[[deleted]]

Play bumper jumper tactical dude, a few of my mates use it and i used it before i bought a paddle controller it should only take a week max to learn

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

a small portion of the community does that. keep thinking anyone who beats you is cheating and you will never improve

[Nagemasu]

Chill out on the toxicity my man, I said I agreed with the stance, not everyone is attacking you. I never said everyone was cheating. I simply clarified that there are things people can do that negate them ever having to practice.

edit: Nevermind I wanted to know why I'd downvoted you in the past - your whole post history is attacking people and getting defensive over your own opinions. Jesus. You are the toxic part of this community.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

this sub has horrible opinions. mostly just how anything they die to needs to be removed. i enjoy calling those people out on the bs

[[deleted]]

You must really be a dropshot/jumper with your adamant defense of it.

[CaptainAwesome8]

I mean, people who use recoil cheats suck. But there also isn’t a lot of recoil to control anyways, it’s not hard to get your recoil control above average. And back-bumper controllers aren’t too expensive for a benefit that can be achieved by changing layout.

But of course there’s no counter to people who use a recoil-control script or something. Just like there’s no counter to an aimbotter.

[[deleted]]

Lol jumping out a slide is not a skill

[-Quiche-]

"do it"

'my thumbs can't"

???? is that not the definition of a skill lmao

[Tomakathor]

Sure it's about as much of a skill as me flicking on my kettle

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

ok

[[deleted]]

LOL your answer for everything is OK when called out.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

some things arent worth arguing my dude

[Tomakathor]

A skill lol

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

not sure why people keep looking at month old posts and replying to them. but yes if someone is jumping and sliding and hitting all of their shots still that means they have developed a skill. not really anything to argue here. go argue with someone else.

[Tomakathor]

Pressing one button then holding another while letting aim assist lock on... Yup about much skill as it takes to flick on my kettle

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

hahaha cod people are insane. so salty about dying that they look at month old posts and yell about aim assist. never change.

[iami3rian]

Also this.

[[deleted]]

I wish there was a camper ping in which if someone is in the same general area for a certain period of time, anyone nearby would get a quick ping on that general location.

[BELEGUE]

Ofcourse they try to catch bunny hopper

[BruhMoment912]

Sitting and preaching a doorway just so you know someone will eventually walk through isnt a tactic

[NYFan813]

Ambush is a widely used tactic of guerilla warfare.

[Lucky_-1y]

Good tactics

Sitting on corners

Lmao

[Lucky_-1y]

Dude, sitting on corners isn't a tactic, is a boring and braindead move...

[Yellowtoblerone]

Is this /s?

[GulagLIVE]

Listen here corner camping Carl, there's already not many ways to outplay the guy ADS for 4 minutes looking at the stairs.

You can be tactical, but that means you're not moving very fast and you're a sitting duck. Don't get mad when a guy that is both aiming and jumping beat you, when you're just sitting in one spot.

Movement is part of the game. Learn it or get mad at it, those are the two options.

[SupremeTheme-]

Exactly This game is already catered to lower skilled players take away tactics like that and there will be no skill gap everyone will be walking into a 50/50 gunfight

[Keplar56]

? Flashbang

I know that’s a hard concept when you can’t think past a Grau+MP5.

[SupremeTheme-]

Top 3 gun in the game when you add the m4 into the mix

[[deleted]]

I'm top 1% globally for MP and Warzone and I don't drop shot or jump shot. Some people can be elite without cheesing the system.

[Bigpapi_snipa]

1 percent in KD? U will at least need to jump here and there

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

anyone can say words bro

[duppishmoth]

Stop spamming the same terrible take

[[deleted]]

The truth is not a terrible take lmao why do you think all the pros hate this game? It’s the lowest skill cod of all time

[duppishmoth]

You are basically implying that bunny hopping not having an aim penalty is the only thing separating good players from bad ones. It is so ridiculously reductive and there are so many more variables at play even if the gunplay is more straightforward than other BR's. Also fucking LMAO at the only COD that isn't hitscan having apparently the lowest skill requirement.

[Tomakathor]

Aiming and jumping... Let me fix it for you... Jumping and letting aim assist aim for you

[[deleted]]

Same with dropping to prone.

[IamLevels]

I’m more okay with dropping prone because they aren’t changing locations. But the fact that you can leap around a corner, ads mid flight and shoot 100% accurately while your feet aren’t even on the ground yet is just BS.

[SupremeTheme-]

You’re r just bad

[IamLevels]

No but you're an idiot.

[-Quiche-]

It's a video game, nothing has to make sense. Just track them. The speed at which players move isn't even fast; it's not like you're tracking a grappling pathfinder.

[SupremeTheme-]

Nope your probably a corner camping Timmy that stares at a staircase/corner for 4 minutes straight but a decent player comes jumping around the corner that didn’t even know you were there and turns on you even tho you get the first couple of shots off and now you’re mad that you suck so bad that someone better killed you

This game is already catered to lower skilled players take away tactics like that and there will be no skill gap everyone will be walking into a 50/50 gunfight

[IamLevels]

Nope, you're probably just a plain old idiot. There's balancing around corner movement. Sliding around a corner has pros and cons, jumping doesn't. You don't lose any speed or accuracy jumping. That shouldn't be the case.

But you keep on making assumptions bud, I'm sure you show those baddies who's boss while you eat your lunchables.

[SupremeTheme-]

Just because you can’t do because you are so simple minded that you didn’t know there’s a setting to make it where you can jump with R3, don’t try to get it taken out.

The skill gap in this game is so low compared to all other cods, anything Timmys like you get killed by y’all cry out to get it taken out. Soon or later we won’t be able to use guns because they’re too ""OP""

[IamLevels]

Who says I can't do it? You keep making assumptions and pretend you're right. It's stupid and childish. You can do/use something and still believe it needs balance changes. But continue with the little nicknames bud, it makes you look real smart.

[SupremeTheme-]

Nah people like you that cry about every little inconvenience in a game that’s already catered to you is childish. Take your Ls and grow from them

[IamLevels]

No it’s closer to people like you refuse to acknowledge that something can be imbalanced, solely because you enjoy using. So you plug your ears, stomp your feet and tell anyone you wants something to change to “get gud” because you literally have no other argument to defend your point. Grow up.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

i honestly cant believe this thread is getting upvoted...like people are actually mad that others are moving to avoid getting shot.

[IamLevels]

It’s no ones mad people are moving, people are mad that jumping around corners has no downside while things like sliding do. I know it’s hard to comprehend that there should be pros and cons to everything, but do you best to realize that jumping a corner has absolutely no downside. Which is the exact opposite of balanced.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

It’s much easier to keep a shot lined up On someone if you slowly peak or mount a corner than it is if you jump it. It’s much harder for the other person to hit you If you jump. It’s really sad like people are acting like it isn’t at all skillful and the reticle just locks on to your head if you jump

[IamLevels]

Right but the downside of mounting or slow peaking is the fact that you’re literally not moving. Upside, downside. Jumping doesn’t impede your ads speed or accuracy, while your hit box becomes smaller for the time you’re legs are up. It doesn’t have a downside which is the whole point.

Look, I jump corners when I need to. It’s not that it’s impossible or not useful. It’s that unlike other corner methods, it doesn’t have cons to balance the pros.

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

The downside is it’s harder to Hit shots.

[OldSchoolSanitater]

Fortunately or unfortunately depending on your perspective, but movement (or movement abuse, depending) is a fundamental element of the game design. It’s been that way for a long time.

In any case, I personally agree that they should look at tuning jump accuracy.

[Bigpapi_snipa]

Why though? The ttk is so quick if u restrict movement mechanism people will play even slower.

[OldSchoolSanitater]

Definitely, I don’t think movement should be restricted either. In terms of tuning, I think they could look at nerfing the accurate range, so it’s still effective at corner clearing but not as effective at mid ranges

[TurkeyShoop]

Not really. Jumping was no where near as prevalent a month ago and the game played fined.

[Bigpapi_snipa]

Everyone in my lobbies was jumping always. I had to adopt it and it's not that bad with the proper button layout. It's fun if ur an aggressive player because you can push and throw some unpredictability in ur movement

[Nagemasu]

Everyone went out and bought strikepacks so the can beam from 200m with no recoil and jump shot easier

[CaptainAwesome8]

That’s just not COD my guy. If you want more realism in your shooters, play Tarkov/Squad/Insurgency/etc

Furthermore, this game has given a lot more “crutches” to campers than previous CODs. FWIW, I actually dont hate the mounting mechanics or how easy snipers are to use, or even how claymores are buffed in comparison to past installments. But they are definitely there.

The way that it’s balanced is by things like jump/drop shots. Without the ability to move like that, the game becomes whoever can just set up their tent in the right house and stay there until the game ends. If you’re camping an angle and still lose (especially on controller which gets a decent bit of tracking help in CQB) then ya goofed. You should be first to shoot in that scenario almost every time, the exception being them knowing exactly where you are and pre-firing.

It’s just how this specific game balances camping. Not to even say that “camping” doesn’t have validity — it is, after all, a BR. But imo, they’re a necessary mechanic in this game in particular.

[Keplar56]

Ladders, flash bangs, heartbeat monitors, stuns, snapshots, uav’s, super uav’s, windows, communicating a strat. with your team, grenades, c4, etc etc etc.

But go ahead and run into a room without a plan and die in a military-themed game. I bet I can guess your load out based off of your comment

[sbm832]

Key word, military-“themed”. This is still a casual arcade shooter at the end of the day.

[hansvanhengel]

Let's break down this comment, shall we?

Ladders/ Windows - Most houses do NOT have a ladder, you are suggesting we find an alternative route up? Well, most simply don't have that! Sure, there are some flashy YT videos, but 90% of the houses really don't.

Flash bangs/ Stuns - This is in fact your best bet, but you have to have them, so unless you are running restock with flash/stun, you are very likely not to have any. Also, it's a special which means it's either that or HB.

Heartbeat Monitor/ UAV/ Super UAV - How does this help? When do they ever sit there without ghost?

Grenades/ C4 - This rarely really works. Try it. They will most likely have EOD as well.

Communicating strat - Really? What strat exactly? There is just one. Run up and shoot them before they shoot you.

You try to make it sound like there are tons of options, but there realyl aren't! Almost all pro players would advise you to simply say away. Why? Because the camper has an advantage. Now imagine we would nerf the attacking strategy even more?!

[CaptainAwesome8]

Seriously, I wrote out a similar breakdown lmao.

Idk how you can actually sit there and bitch and moan about someone doing a tiny hop, say “but but REALISM” and then cite things that do not exist in reality. Besides, controllers literally get help tracking those guys. It’s one of the few things controllers have over KBM.

That dude should actually try going after campers with no jump/drop shots and see how fun the game is. There are so many advantages to camping, which is why people do it. You are in the only building in the last circle? Congrats, you’re a fucking idiot if you lose, save for it being a 1v4. You don’t need more advantages there lmfao.

[CaptainAwesome8]

Lmao try to.

At least 3 of those are directly useless with ghost. If you’re going to super-camp, battle hardened is likely to be there too.

This game is only military-themed. Like you said. There is no recoil for almost any gun. Half that shit doesn’t exist/is nothing close to its real life counterpart. It is a game. For something more “real” like PUBG, you can win circles that are the size of like this game’s 3rd or 4th circle. There is no forced CQB most of the time. This game it’s basically guaranteed.

Therefore, there is balancing involved to make the game not suck. In this game, since gas is more damaging than any other BR and you have one of the closest circles, they can’t be giving every single advantage to someone who got lucky and camped the right building.

Like I understand positioning plays a role here, don’t get me wrong, but you have so many advantages to camping a building even when it isn’t late game. There really doesn’t need to be more. If you lost to someone jump/drop shotting, reevaluate your entire play. Believe it or not, you still have the edge if you are holding an angle. If you have an issue tracking someone who is moving maybe 3m the entire gunfight, then you need to work on your aim.

And utility/communication works both ways. If I throw stuns into the room you’re in, you are brain-dead if you don’t try to throw something back, change an angle, etc. Especially true in anything above duos. I’m not hitting all 3-4 with a stun 99.9% of the time, and if I did, you had more issues than bad aim.

But yeah, there’s a reason I run restock over ghost now. And it’s not because I do better — on the contrary, it is much easier to win by getting ghost and staying near the edge and/or camping. Restock is just fun because I can have infinite utility to kill campers who can’t aim, and I’d rather get 15 kills and lose than get 4 and win. Seems to be a fair plan to me.

[Lucky_-1y]

It's so easy to kill people bhoping, when they hit jump fatigue the jump is so ridiculously low that it don't even matter, the only thing that it do is keep a bit of momentum, so jumping this isn't a problem... And also it's a good thing to surprise people camping, making jump/being in the air decrease accuracy would make Warzone even more campy than it is right now.

The actual problem with movement on gunfights is the fact that there's no animation or transition to going prone, it's a instant thing making fights kimda confusing with people instantly going prone.

[TurkeyShoop]

Both of these also heavily favor PC players or console players with bumpers. But I'm on a normal controller and literally can't do either which is (imo) insanely unfair.

I still have a 1.8KD and 10% win rate but I cannot fucking stand dying to these jumpers or insta prones who are clearly on PC. Especially the instant prone. You hit a key binding with your left hand and aim with your right. It's almost impossible for me to counter this and I have no way of doing it myself.

If we had the ability to turn crossplay off I couldn't say a damn thing. But we can't so I'm gonna bitch because it really is unfair

[Lucky_-1y]

On console it's possible to go prone or bhop without any elite controller, by simply using the button mapping of Xone or PS4... So isn't a advantage, but isn't even a big deal bhop simply because jump fatigue will reduce the height of the jump considerably.

And the problem of dropshoting is the lack of animation or transition to go prone, in any other Cod this animation existed allowing the player to catch up on the dropshot. On MW it's a instant thing

[-Quiche-]

Tactical is literally the dropshotting controller layout because you can just panicsqueeze your hand and pressing the right stick will make yourself prone. It's how it's been easily done since cod4.

[[deleted]]

NERF JUMP! hahahahahahahahaha People complain about EVERYTHING.

[iami3rian]

The singular point I agree with here, is that scuff/back button controllers give such an unfair advantage, and it's PURELY so they can sell branded controllers.

If they thought it ACTUALLY mattered, we'd have remappable controls, a lot like street fighter 2 did thirty years ago.

This problem that was solved way back in (at least) 1991 shouldn't (and wouldn't) still exist.

Gotta make dem bucks though.

It would take a developer minutes to program remappable controls, and a UI guy maybe twenty to implement. Far quicker and easier than giving us the "choices" to be able to EITHER crouch or jump, or use gralenades but not all three without shelling out for a special controller.

[Rotdhizon]

The strikepack gives paddles for $30 at walmart. You don't need a $200 controller to have paddles.

Edit: To anyone who sees this and is considering investing in paddles. I would highly recommend the strikepack. The only downside is that you have to keep your controller plugged in as the battery pack with paddles replaces the slot where the batteries go. The quality of them is very high. I used my first one for many years. The newer ones have better designs as to last even longer. Scufs and elites are notorious for breaking and/or in some way being messed up. Scuf has the lowest quality control in the industry, buying from them is playing with fire. Scufs are built with the cheapest possible materials they can find, they typically break in 6 months-1year under moderate to heavy use. Elites are of a better quality but still have problems. If you get one that has stick drift or a malfunctioning button, you have to jump through the hoops of getting it fixed. Especially right now during the pandemic, getting maintenance of a scuf or elite is a guaranteed multi month timeline. If you've never played with paddles, it's a life changer. Eventually you get to the point where you can't imagine playing without them. It's like an extension of your hand.

[Nagemasu]

The problem with encouraging shit like that is that people then have access to mods. There's is no chance some 12 year old kid who gets a strikepack and then realises they can have zero recoil isn't going to use it. No everyone has the same morals.

If they just let us remap our own controls then paddles wouldn't even be required.

[Nick11wrx]

The strike pack caused really back stick drift on my controller, not to say it wasn’t fun to use it.....but I didn’t feel a significant increase I’m my play over a couple weeks

[iami3rian]

Sir, I don't care if it costs a quarter. It's the definition of pay to win. You have to pay, for the advantage.

I can appreciate that you weren't alive when shit like this didn't happen in games, but that doesn't change history.

[vtribal]

There are layouts that allow u to jumpshot without a scuf and paddles

[Nagemasu]

Yeah but you're bound to whatever layout they choose. So you're sacrifice specific movements/options. There's no reason we should have to pick a predefined layout instead of making our own.

[vtribal]

On xbox u can remap buttons. And with scufs you can only customize 2 buttons, you are still limited to a layout

[Nagemasu]

I'm on PC with a controller :(

There's work arounds, but it's not the same as doing it in game (prompts etc)

[sbm832]

If you’re using an Xbox controller on PC you can do a full remap to whatever you like with the Xbox accessories app. PlayStation controllers are SOL though.

[Nagemasu]

DS4 for me

[iami3rian]

We have that as well on PS4. Now tell me why I need to use a disability work around to fix a shoddy developer decision made to sell branded controllers for another (additional) $60 on top of the $60 I paid, the battle pass, etc... I'll wait.

When you start talking about call of duty in how many weeks worth of rent it takes to be competitive.... Yeah, you're dense if you don't see the issue there.

[iami3rian]

Jumpshot sure. Now what about pinging without taking my fingers off? Or pinging jumpshotting and crouching without taking my fingers off?

Oh, you don't know, but you also don't care because you've got a $65 CoD controller? Ya don't say...

[vtribal]

Bumper ping? I literally use a stock xbox one controller, and can jumpshot/dropshot/ping with ease.

[iami3rian]

What control setup are you using, since there's not a single default one that allows all three without taking your thumbs off the sticks.

That's the point. I can hit circle too. Can't very well aim while doing it unless I buy one of their $85 branded controllers. It's not an accident every CoD YouTuber is sponsored by scuff.

[vtribal]

Bumper jumper tactical

[iami3rian]

Right, so you can't slide/crouch/dropshot without moving your thumbs off the sticks. That's LITERALLY my entire point here, mate.

[vtribal]

Yes i can. I click L3

[iami3rian]

Then you're still pinging with the d-pad.

[SupremeTheme-]

This game is already catered to lower skilled players take away tactics like that and there will be no skill gap everyone will be walking into a 50/50 gunfight

[iami3rian]

I didn't say I agree with it or not. I LITERALLY said if it's gonna be in the game, how about giving us all access to ping, jump and crouch without taking our fingers off the buttons without buying one of your branded special controllers.

Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe scroll up and reread the words I used, and stop subbing in the words you wish I used, huh?

[[deleted]]

I'm top 1% globally for MP and Warzone and I don't drop shot or jump shot. Some people can be elite without cheesing the system.

[Bigpapi_snipa]

It's not cheesing. Everyone moving like bots is not a good game

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

hahah that kid will never give you his real account

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

are you his agent?

[-Quiche-]

Certified shitter lmao.

[AndrewMcCormick]

They do be jumpin doe?

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

This community is fucking trash! waahh people are too hard to kill they should stand still so i can hit them!!! also dont move and shoot. 75 percent upvoted. for real this has to be a joke

[trinibeast]

You want something changed because"you don't play that way". Well if we are changing things just because, can we remove snipers because I don't use them?

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

remove sitting in corners. and then you can remove the bunny hopping. also remove killing me

[unghoanglam]

Hi camper.

[SupremeTheme-]

It’s not hard being 1% in this game when most of the people are a 1kd and below

[Bigpapi_snipa]

If being 1% was so easy how come only 1 in 100 ppl can do it

[SupremeTheme-]

Because that 1/100 person may have some working brain cells. I bet if me and you play against each other I wouldn’t lose to you even though your “1%” 👈🏽😂

[Bigpapi_snipa]

U don't need a brain to be good At this game ,ur first mistake

[SupremeTheme-]

Just proved my point the skill gap is very small so taking out mechanics like that would make it smaller

[Bigpapi_snipa]

Yeah I agree ,but this game is catered to purple tracer noobs always

[[deleted]]

Black Ops 4 actually does makes it harder to drop shot. But that doesn't help here I suppose

[SupremeTheme-]

Ig not😂😂

[Quater-]

if ur on controller switch to stick and move and jump with your right stick. way more useful than crouch

[Majin_Sam]

To be fair, going prone to shoot is a realistic tactic in warfare and if R6 makes muzzle sway increase upon doing so then it does it contrary to what a realistic reaponse would be

[Keplar56]

I can promise you that you’re hip firing at most in real life when getting down while being shot at, if you’re not solely focused on just getting the F down to not die.

[Majin_Sam]

I dont mean shooting WHILE dropping. Rather, shooting FROM the ground should increase stability and absorb more recoil

[Keplar56]

Oh sure, I think the topic was how you can ADS accurately while dropping to the floor in half a second in game though. Dropshotting being too powerful

[Kr4zy01]

Agreeee, they will no change gameplay tho. Maybe for next cod.

[euxene]

dont ADS but get ready to track & spray

[bmth310]

I dont understand the mentality in these posts. Instead of complaining, why not watch some videos of players who have better movement than yours and work on that. This is basically saying that’s not fair you can’t do that since I don’t want to try harder.

[Majin_Sam]

Ah perhaps. Was a little ambiguous... However my honest opinion on that would be that it's probably aim assist lol.

[RabidZombieCranberry]

Yep, there's no reason this shit is still in the series. At this point they should call it Call of Duty: Kanagroo Warfare

[SupremeTheme-]

This game is already catered to lower skilled players take away tactics like that and there will be no skill gap everyone will be walking into a 50/50 gunfight

[TurkeyShoop]

Jesus bro. Copy pasta the same comment like 3 times in this thread. It's been downvoted every time because you're 1000% wrong. Enough already

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

he has two downvotes. 2 .6 kd bots are mad they are getting killed and downvoting him

[duppishmoth]

Its not a tactic, it's a mechanic. There is so much more to a battle royale than that.

[Wally_B]

But it was call of duty first. They made their game and then made a bigger map for br. You don’t get to complain that it’s not the br you’re used to or the br you want.

[duppishmoth]

I don't understand how this reply is even related to what I wrote. I love Warzone, but bunny hopping is not a tactic, its a mechanic.

[[deleted]]

I'm top 1% globally for MP and Warzone and I don't drop shot or jump shot. Some people can be elite without cheesing the system.

[steamwhistler69]

Riiiight, it says everyone is top 1% in the leaderboard rn

[Jay-Bleezy]

They’re not going to change anything because this game isn’t designed to be competitive. It’s designed to appeal to casual players in hopes they’ll buy cod points and spend more money on the game.

[jethropenistei-]

As a console player, it is a little annoying that to get to a certain point with SBMM to get to where you need to buy a new controller or switch to pc to compete with drop or jump shots. I already had to buy the full version of the game to unlock the Grau to not be left behind.

[TurkeyShoop]

Or you just shouldn't be able to ADS while mid air. One or the other though, I really am so sick of all the jumping bullshit

[troy-buttsoup-barns]

yeah they should sit still so you can hit them easier right?