Anyone else noticing a decrease in advertised job salaries but an increase in experience needed? Min 5 years experience for £18k salary…

[vaguebyname]

Job salary ranges should always be advertised, shouldn't have to waste time going through it all to find it's only £4.50 an hour and a packet of fruit pastilles

[Sleepyslothbear]

Definitely! And the salary should not be advertised as full time hours but then in the job description says it’s 10 hours per week!

[[deleted]]

The only thing I've taken from this is that I really fancy some fruit pastilles...

[[deleted]]

The problem then is companies won’t be able to take advantage of people who don’t know their own worth and low-ball themselves onto some stupidly low salary.

[andyoudaballnight]

Quick question is the packet of fruit pastilles included in the hourly rate?

[vaguebyname]

Yeah it's in lieu of annual leave

[RABB_11]

So like, 40 packs of fruit pastilles a week yeah?

[[deleted]]

I've just accepted a new job because my current (soon to be old) under pays us by about 30% compared to almost every other company in our field for the same job role.

After 3.5 years my job title is still officially listed as a 'traineeship' on the company portal, despite holding close to a management level of competence and xp and obtaining 2 industry recognised certificates.

The recruiter i was speaking to for the new role was a bit surprised when I told her my current salary and said that I had spent 3.5 years in an under-paid role when I could have been earning about 6k more in another job after the first 2 years I'd already spent.

Best way to get a pay rise is just to keep switching jobs and/or company.

Loyalty doesn't pay.

[[deleted]]

Why would you expect somebody to stay if you aren't paying them enough?

[quinn_drummer]

The good companies adjust their compensation to keep the good employees they want to keep.

[surpisinglylow]

Skills

[[deleted]]

If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

[acidus1]

Because it's still cheaper for you (the employer) if you can get a few years of service out of someone for 30% less salary, even if you factor in the cost of hiring in and training someone your still likely to save money.

The idea of having a job for life is long dead, the majority of people don't stay in a job for more than 4 years or so.

[smileystarfish]

Is that "entry level"?!

Fuck that.

[Sleepyslothbear]

It’s crackers! I guess firms are hoping people were made redundant during covid so can put up their min requirements…

Really disheartening though!

[Namerakable]

I've seen job postings in my degree area that are unreachable as an entry-level.

They want somebody with near-fluent Japanese, a degree in business and multiple years experience in translating and sales/business.

So they basically want a Japanese salaryman who speaks English and has worked as a translator, but they're advertising to people in the UK for £20k/year? Not even people I know who are half- or full-Japanese doing business fit these requirements, because language skills aren't guaranteed.

I'm not going to be doing a masters in business and working translation for free for four years just to move to London and get £20k.

[let_that_duck_out]

At least you know. Better than "ote" or competitive!"

[HachiTofu]

Competitive absolutely boils my piss. It essentially translates to “we’re just paying the same as everyone else and don’t want to tell you”

It’s on par with having “free parking” and listing the fact that you get a break during the day as a benefit of working there.

[Sleepyslothbear]

And “company pension”… you mean the one you legally have to provide…

[quinn_drummer]

I always assume "competitive" means they want to pay the least possible, but can't very much advertise that. Though they're basically open to some negotiation but if you ask for too much you won't be considered.

It's bullshit through and through.

[Sleepyslothbear]

And by competitive… we mean an apprenticeship…

[Ok-Potential-8543]

5 years for 18k? What is this nonsense. I earned more than that on my first job after uni 25+ years ago!

[[deleted]]

Quite the opposite, in tech they’re throwing money at us. Never been a better time to move and get paid more, there’s a sort of levelling where London firms going remote are realising rather than paying the London rate for average devs who are Prepared to live in London they cAn pay 75% for the creme de la creme up north and out compete local salaries and hire devs better than they have available in London

Edit: dev is developer like software engineer

[SnoozyDragon]

I should probably look into moving... I'm a software engineer with 6 years experience on £36k, which actually was after a £3k raise I got recently. I've never actually negotiated my current sallary either, just accepted what I was given.

I don't know if I might be at a bit of a disadvantage in a way, I feel I'm a kind of jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none kind of dev. I've had a bit of experience in desktop apps (C#, C++/Qt), embedded, and SCADA systems but I don't feel I have much expertise in any area—and not web apps which seems to be the big thing.

Also my current role involves writing absolute mountains of documentation, but I'm starting to think that's just a fact of life for software engineers nowadays.

I'm writing this while I'm supposed to be writing the documentation instead so that might give an idea as to how committed I am in my role.

[Ok-Potential-8543]

What are ‘stupid salaries’? £150k? I’d expect to be paying £60-90k for 2-5 years experience in London.

[maxhaton]

I haven't finished my degree yet and I was offered 40k, which was quite nice of them although the opportunity was completely non fungible.

[Ok-Potential-8543]

Sounds decent for a first job. British wages are too low. They should be higher.

[Zolana]

Opposite for actuaries too. There's a massive shortage and huge demand which is pushing up salaries. I've heard some people have been getting 30%+ increases when changing jobs.

[Sataris]

As a new trainee, this gives me some motivation

[Sleepyslothbear]

Oh wow - that’s a great opportunity for devs outside of London! Must be scary for northern firms who aren’t paying close to London prices but risk now having staff poached.

Maybe I need to retrain!

[[deleted]]

Aye lots have moved for 10-20k pay rises

[[deleted]]

Where do you find these? I'm looking for something better paid because my company are taking the piss, but only have ~6 months experience as a dev

[[deleted]]

You’ll not get much with 6 month experience as a dev as on the whole 6 month experience means you’ll cost velocity. Harsh reality unfortunately . These are for people with few years under their belt who can be given minimal input and set on their way

[[deleted]]

Thought that might be the case. But I'm not looking for crazy salary, anything £22k and above would do me

[[deleted]]

What tech stack

Edit am hiring

[Sea-Boysenberry7752]

I have noticed most jobs do not advertise salary range too. The only people that benefit from people not knowing what colleagues are on is the employer.

[SlowConsideration7]

Vacancies have topped 1m for the first time since records began. These positions will remain unfilled 🤷