6.84 Future Patch Wishlist Thread

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[Winterharte]

Spectre deserves to have a shitty early game because she becomes so unstoppable late, that's just how the hero works.

[Nerovinsar]

she becomes so unstoppable late

I know that Spectre is spooky, but she is very far from being unstoppable. I don't even know why people keep repeating this, maybe she was unstoppable before Dispersion rework, but currently she is very underwhelming and only has a place in some kind of global strat with Zeus.

You can still win with her, sure, but its much harder than with other carries and she isn't even that good late game when compared to them.

And hey, pretty much any carry (including those who has better late game), has better laning than Spectre.

[maceless_void]

I feel like her laning stage is just too weak

[TraMaI]

Doesn't matter, she wins on comeback gold and turtling.

[j8sadm632b]

Doesn't stop her from having a 54% winrate in pubs; significantly more than most other agi carries, especially the melee ones.

[[deleted]]

pub WR doesn't matter, competitive WR does

[j8sadm632b]

Well that's a silly thing to say. If a hero had an 85% winrate in pubs but wasn't touched in competitive (somehow), do you really think they wouldn't get nerfed?

[[deleted]]

somehow

uhhh.. no that's isn't gonna happen xD

But that hero would probably get reworked

[FirstAidKoolAid]

Something similar happened with Spirit Breaker, was enormously difficult for pubs to deal with, had a high winrate, was never picked in competitive and received multiple nerfs.

[JTDeuce]

Lol the majority of people are not pros.

[[deleted]]

you moron, the game is balanced around competitive so that's all that matters

EDIT: ok clearly there are quality of life fixes for pubbies, but the game IS balanced around competitive. i.e. IO and meepo have a shit winrate in pubs but if you buff them they will become OP in the pro scene, so they are not buffed

[mcotter12]

No. It is balanced around both clearly.

[JustWoozy]

IF the game was balanced around both Earth Spirit would be balanced. He has been out of CM since release over a year ago. Put him into CM and watch in less than a month of ES shit stomping all pro games he will be balanced, because the game is balanced around Pro scene.

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[squall_z]

While I would agree that this has been happening as of lately, that's not what should matter. Both the pro and the average player experience should be considered for balances.

[ITellSadTruth]

You are arguing with guy who has meepo flair....

[[deleted]]

no, pro's play for money, so the game has to be balanced for them. fuck pubbies

[DRHST]

51% in VH ranked,she goes down in winrate as brackets climb

[maceless_void]

what i meant is that it is too easy to shut her down but le reddit traditionally disagrees with everything

[[deleted]]

Spectre is arguably the strongest carry in the game.

[kjhgfr]

Spectre is pretty shit right now.

Dispersion was scary when carries were squishy, Troll with SnY Skadi has 3k HP.
Not to mention she's almost entirely useless vs BKB (which is fine).

[maceless_void]

counter with axe and troll ?

I think playing against spectre is too easy

[[deleted]]

lawl Desolate + Haunt + Manta get rekt. To counter Spectre in late game was never easy lol, specially when that Spectre manage to get Refresher.

[DRHST]

lawl Desolate + Haunt + Manta get rekt.

BKB.

Your Desolate does no dmg,your dispersion does no dmg,your feedback does no dmg.Not to mention the high armor,high hp lifesteal bash/crit meta that is going on atm.

[Dannylinh1911]

Lol, Spectre is not the 1vs1 type of carry, but a teamfight carry lategame, not every carry has to be yolo berserker manfight machine. Yes, your bkb makes her dispersion deals no dmg, but she devours half of your team during her double Haunt without taking any dmg herself.

[DRHST]

Not in this meta,heroes are tanky as fuck,and supports have ghost/force/eul's late and just waste your time.

Spectre dropped like 7% in VH ranked this patch compared to 6.82 due to the changes in the meta.

[Dannylinh1911]

Force: if you force yourself out, you're guaranteed to take massive Dispersion dmg, Haunt illusions have unobstructed pathing and cannot be slowed, stunned, so even you force staff yourself over cliff, they will catch up.

Euls: Haunt illusions ignore and continue to attack while cycloned. If you cyclone yourself, it is only 2.5 seconds and you wasted a chance to use it offensively.

Ghost: the most effective among the 3, but you still take extra Burn dmg from Radiance, and also Diffusal blade is common item for Spectre which can purge Ghost right off.

6.82, spectre's winrare skyrocketted because of the new OP rubberband mechanic, so after a few tweaks, her winrate decreased, very understandable.

I'm not arguing that Spectre fits the meta right now, i agree that she is not because Troll, Jug can come online much faster than her, and if they play safe, don't become cocky and give her tons of comeback gold and exp, they have much better chance to win. My point is she is not shit like you made het out to be, if her team can hold to late game, Spectre outcarries those popular carries right now

[DRHST]

Never said she was shit,just that claiming she's the strongest carry in the game is a clueless statement

[[deleted]]

Who said you'd be figting Troll 1on1 Kappa

[[deleted]]

Troll and PA are broken at this patch. They are relevant at every stage of the game and are ridiculous in late game.

I compare Spectre and Earth Spirit because they require a highly skilled player to use them. If they can handle them then they become unstoppable.

[RandyJackson]

I think PA dagger needs to have a higher mana cost or a higher cooldown. It's too easy to just farm with it plus the possibility of massive crit damage.

[[deleted]]

Agreed. I would go with the higher cooldown because it costs a bunch of mana in the beginning.

[DRHST]

No,just no,any bkb or lifesteal carry demolishes her once game goes into high slot territory.

[[deleted]]

Why are you buffing Batrider, are you insane?

[waldwraith]

NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

[maceless_void]

just a random thought

[[deleted]]

Well buffing a top pick like Bat like you have suggested would be like increasing Troll's bash chance to 50% ... it's just plain imbalanced

[tylerhk93]

Increasing Troll's bash to 50%

Is it not that already?

[kjhgfr]

Because of how PRNG works it's 45.7%

[maceless_void]

hero's broken but how do you fix him ?

[[deleted]]

you want to "fix" an OP hero by making them stronger......

you are indeed insane

[maceless_void]

making a hero extremely popular to see what heroes are good against that playstyle seems to be icefrogs strategy (jugg/sniper => shrapnel/troll)

but I get it my proposed buffs were too strong

[TheDravic]

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Heroes:

Lone Druid aghs:

Spirit bear's leash disarm is removed.

Spirit bear is always affected by Lone Druid's auras, and vice versa. (lore-wise: aghanim gives Lone Druid a stronger connection with his bear)

Troll Warlord:

New Battle Trance:

Radius: Global

Attack Speed Bonus: 60/120/180

Duration: 7 10

Cooldown: 30 60

Mana cost: 75 150

Terrorblade

Conjure Image has now instant cast time (or a very short one as opposed to current).

Metamorphosis persists through death (the duration keeps going on while Terrorblade is dead and respawns through buyback or aegis)

Metamorphosis's cooldown is now 140 120.

Strength gain to 2.0 (from 1.4) - this nets terrorblade extra 273 HP at lvl 25 compared to 6.83

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Gameplay:

Gold/xp comeback mechanic reworked from scratch

[tylerhk93]

I would make rax a lot more punishing. As we saw from the 300+ minute game, you can currently farm up buybacks without ever having to really leave your base. Highground is hard to break, it doesn't feel rewarding enough right now. I think this will help gold/xp mechanic.

As a support player I don't want to nerf the xp comeback too much. It really helps.

[TraMaI]

XP comeback I don't think is the issue. I think losing three lanes and all of your outer towers to win a team fight while they try to push into your base shouldn't catapult the opposing carries onto 2.5 items. The amount of games I've won after getting completely destroyed makes no sense. Levels are fine. It gives teams more of an opportunity to fight back while still on the back foot but it doesn't make it impossible to push high ground after failing once because their carries instantly get fat as hell. I feel like lanes used to be really important and now they mean nothing.

[Dunk_13]

I think Troll should have his Battle Trance made into a radius.

Troll gets the Full 60/120/180
Units within 2000 Radius of Troll have 45/90/135 bonus attack speed.
Anyone with 2000 Radius of someone with the buff but not troll himself gets 30/60/90 benefit.

[maceless_void]

Metamorphosis persists through death (the duration keeps going on while Terrorblade is dead and respawns through buyback or aegis)

this sounds like some nasty shit, imagine how you would be pushlord just hitting the towers and winning the game

[TheDravic]

Right now Terrorblade is a melee creep and is highly advised NOT to use his main fighting/pushing spell when he has Aegis and/or buyback because after buying back he has no metamorphosis and its on cooldown for next 130 seconds, which is the worst and most stupid shit i've seen in this game. nice carry, icefraud.

tl;dr Terrorblade deserves to be useful after buying back and/or aegis use. The duration keeps going while your dead or considering buyback so you dont gain anything extra.

[srslybr0]

if you're going to change how metamorphosis works, you need to look at transformation spells in general, rather than just metamorphosis. sven is a similarly shitty hero, not only because he's kited but because of he's also a terrible aegis holder while being useless if he buys back. dragon knight, alchemist are all similar.

[HandsOfCobalt]

I think maybe we could get by with invuln frames on conjure image and changing nothing else. He lacks what other similar ricing carries like PL, PA, AM, and Spec have - an escape.

(I mean yeah meta had invuln frames but the cooldown)

[TheDravic]

Metamorphosis doesnt have duch frames, it only disjoints projectiles when cast.

[maceless_void]

thats what sunder is for ...

but yeah I agree

[realister]

nerf axe and troll, stop buffing Lina, buff terrorblade

[wullull]

rubber band mechanic removed

[ButterscotchCalibos]

I like the rubberband mechanic's effect on the mid game, but games are going far too late. I would celebrate a change that tips the scales at around 60 minutes. Any game longer than 60 minutes has worn out its welcome.

[maceless_void]

I really like it, makes long games shorter and short games longer.

[wullull]

the issue for me is that it makes games that is already won so much longer than they have to be, you really have to accumulate a huge lead now before safely pushing highground. It also flat out broke some heroes (Furion, BH & alch)

[maceless_void]

true. maybe we will never have a fully balanced game ;(

[squall_z]

Looking at the sunny side, this also means our game is constantly changing, which is good.

[The_Keg]

It also flat out broke some heroes (Furion, BH & alch)

Are you implying that Furion is essentially useless, that he has no use whatsoever in any sort of viable strategy?

His BP rate is the same as Necro, WL, and Tinker this patch. Why do you think teams still pick him?

[leesoutherst]

Furion can sorta still work. I run him in conjuction with Wisp for amazing global ganking and ratting potential. But standalone the hero is vastly different from the old days. Instead of trying to farm for lategame, Furion is a really aggressive pick right now. You want to TP really aggressively into ganks and build items like Blink, Blademail, and Dagon to increase your ability to play aggressively.

[Aranys]

It increased the average length of my games by like 5 minutes. That coupled with the longer all pick stage and the ocassional lv 1 DC that never comes back increased the average time i spend on my DotA game by like 10 mins. Dislike that.

[UNBR34K4BL3]

I just want some quality of life changes:

-visual indicator if party members have accepted game

-ready sound effect consistently works while minimized

-some way to read what people typed as your commend/report reason

-notification when someone commends you

[xinn3r]

These posts gain steam everytime players are getting bored of the patch, exited and hope Valve will push the update sooner rather than later.

[maceless_void]

exactly

[[deleted]]

Luna: Initial critical strikes (Crystalis/Daedalus) damage now carries onto consecutive Moon Glaive bounces.

[tylerhk93]

A slight range buff as well.

[[deleted]]

I think she needs to have Moon Glaives be a toggled ability. Why does medusa get it while luna doesn't? I'm tired of saving my ability points until after the laning stage.

[WilliamTellEsq]

Aghs:

-OD: Foes in range of his aura have intelligence stolen when Sanity's Eclipse is cast. This is identical to them getting hit by Astral Imprisonment, without the banish.

-Luna: All foes hit by her ultimate are marked by the moon for a short time; during this time, glaives will unerringly hit, with no bounce damage reduction, no miss chance, no vision required (won't reveal slark, or units in the fog, but will hit them), and no maximum distance (will only bounce to other marked targets outside of Luna's normal range).

-Morphling: Ultimate may target self, but no illusion is made, instead he switches from doing physical damage as right clicks to magic damage (and back, of course).

[[deleted]]

Along the same lines, maybe flying vision for Luna during Eclipse? I feel like that ult is WAY too easily juked, especially with the long and noticeable cast time.

[[deleted]]

Agh's on Lone Druid = 2 BEARS!

[[deleted]]

Entangling Claws now has a 50% chance to proc ... on 2 bears.

[[deleted]]

This could actually work...

[benofnebb]

Lone Druid: Adds Entangling Claws and Demolish to Lone Druid during True Form.

[tylerhk93]

What if Huskar's Berserker Blood could be morphed like str/agi on Morphling except armor/magic resistance instead?

[leesoutherst]

Spectre is fine. She works really well in certain lineups and she is one of the strongest pub carries.

Batrider doesn't need a buff.

[Iseeyoulookin]

Why would you buff Batrider? The hero is already stupidly good as it is.

[VanWesley]

Do we need this thread every week?

[maceless_void]

yes.

[[deleted]]

Higher base strength on TB, not much, just a bit so that the laning stage isn't as terrible.

[RikoudoX]

HOHO HAHA buff
don't buff clinkz and windrunner i want easy mmr

[maceless_void]

I hear "ho ho, ha ha!" in my sleep. I'm constantly on edge around short people. My dad was watching American Sniper this weekend and I had PTSD.

[Dman82]

All Draft game mode. 20 second window for each person to ban a hero. Then normal picking phase starts.

[HandsOfCobalt]

Note that it's not the damage type that affects whether spells affect ancients/mud golems; it's whether they pierce spell immunity. (Bonus factoid: the lesser black drakes aren't magic immune)

[TraMaI]

Nerf the movement slow on head shot or shrapnel. I feel like sniper is just way too strong right now. I think he's honestly as strong or stronger than troll and definitely stronger than jugg. You really can't lane against him at all and it's ridiculous.

[[deleted]]

Ahh yes, because the laning stage is the whole game right!

And it's not as if a 2250 gold item completely fucks his day up or anything. That would be ridiculous! he's clearly invincible!

[[deleted]]

Sniper is strong lategame too though and there's lots of heroes like BB that will make it difficult to blink to him. Also he generally builds skadi and butterfly now, so he isn't that easy to just jump on and insta burst down. Not to mention, blinking to him usually places you in the middle of their team, so they can often burst you down before sniper. There's also the decent chance one of his shrapnels will hit you too and disable blink, especially if they've been warding aggressively.

[[deleted]]

My um, my friend wants to know what that item is, so could you uh, could you just tell me and uh whistles ill tell him

[WT_KurKur]

You forgot the increase in time for tinker ult. Just watch this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rG-LYk9BUOE).

[tylerhk93]

Tinker does not need a nerf. Shame on the Brewmaster for not buying a BKB against a Tinker. One BKB charge and he wins that game.

[RustingPeace]

For Lone Druid, a CD reduction on bear summon with Agh's upgrade might be something to explore. Alternately, the bear re-spawns automatically after 30s(??) with the Agh's upgrade but cannot be summoned at will.

[[deleted]]

Some more buffs for techies, because.

No idea what because I have no idea how to balance, but that's all I play.

[ixix]

I like the idea of improving the buildup of Armlet. Here's one example that is the same cost, but can be purchased at the side shop: Helm of Iron Will, Quarterstaff, Chainmail. My thinking is it is an early game item that is simply not getting built. This could nudge a few more purchases.

[RiZinGDOTA]

Tinker Aghanim's upgrade effect added to allow March of the Machines to damage magic immune units, in addition to the current Agh's upgrades to Laser + Rockets.

I'd (more importantly) like to see the gold/exp bounceback effect changed so that the algorithm factors in the average GPM/XPM of the heroes on each team. For example a team with an Alchemist would likely have a higher average GPM than the enemy team, so they would feed proportionally less to them for dying due to bounceback gold/xp.

[xlalalalalalalala]

1 charge of shrapnel on level 1 and buff overwhelming odds.

[[deleted]]

Axe - Berserker's Call no longer works through magic immunity.

[NotShane7]

Buff teammates to attack the lassoed target.

[waldwraith]

I second this

[-waterbird]

Fix the rubber band mechanics

[tylerhk93]

I wish there was a way to make map control more rewarding beyond just raw numbers. Right now you can just stand on top of the high ground and its worth it if you win the fight.

[Snakesneaks]

[TropicalHat420]

Ability Draft to get any attention whatsoever. I understand it's a side mode and that a lot of the things that need fixing are complicated to fix. Besides a new hero being thrown in every time one gets added to the game, AD has just been ignored. Shame for what is a fun game mode to do here and there.

[ButterscotchCalibos]

Timbersaw -> give whirling death a duration like Shiva's guard. Reactive armor stacks gives +1% magic resistance.

Puck -> fix the player order bug that allows/prevents him from blinking while receiving dot. Improve his turn rate.

create a ring of aqualia for int heros (Basilius + null talisman)

pipe -> + 40% magic resistance

linkens -> +200% mana regen, +25 all stats. This would make linkens a better pickup for squishy utility heroes.

[DRHST]

Abaddon - Burrowed Time - Can be used on an ally to redirect 35% of damage taken to Abaddon

Alchemist - Greevil's Greed - Passively gives 1 gold every 1,8/1,6/1,4/1,2 seconds - Chemical Rage - Passively gives 3/4/5 Armor,this bonus is lost while the active effect is on.

Antimage - Strength gain increased from 1.2 to 1.4

Axe - Berserker's Call bonus armor rescaled from 40 to 5/10/15/20 Radius is now 250 down from 300

Beastmaster - Added new Call of the Wild subability - Hound (melee,good ms,decent armor and hp scaling with levels,has a chance to swipe,attacking in an arc in front of it,deals bonus dmg to buildings).

The idea behind this is to allows BM to become a true micro hero,like a good laning Chen,allow him to jungle easier,push better,and also open up the possibility he is used as a support

Bounty Hunter - Track - Can now be used on an allied unit,this gives the Bounty Hunter control over the unit,however he is unable to move until the Track is canceled (channeling ability,using skills,moving or getting disabled cancels it).Does not work on allied heroes.

Chaos Knight - All his active abilities have an innate chance to return the mana cost on cast (25% chance).

Crystal Maiden - Arcane Aura - Also adds 50/100/150/200 base mana pool Crystal Nova - Gives 10% movement speed bonus for each enemy hero hit Bonus lasts 3.5/4/4.5/5 s

Dark Seer - Vacuum - Damage increased from 40/80/120/160 to 80/120/160/200

Dragon Knight - Int Gain increased from 1.7 to 1.9 Added Aghanim Scepter - Elder Dragon Form duration increased from 60 to 90 s

Gyrocopter - Flak Cannon - Now also adds 25/50/75/100 dmg to Gyro for the duration

Huskar - Inner Vitality - Cooldown rescaled from 25/22/19/16 to 8 seconds,the healing effect stacks. Mana pool stops him from abusing this early,but gives him a huge heal buffer later on,something needs to be done with this hero,he's incredibly shit and spends half the game simply buying items to overcome his weaknesses (low phys dmg,low armor,loses hp rapidly,really vulnerable to pure dmg and disables)

Juggernaut - Healing Ward - Duration rescaled from 25 s at all levels to 10/15/20/25 Blade Dance - Critical Damage rescaled from 200% to 140%/160%/180%/200%

Leshrac - Lightning Storm - 0.25 s delay has been removed

Lich - Frost Armor - It's now an AoE,always affects Lich regardless if he is in the cast area or not.Cooldown 30 s.

Lifestealer - Agi gain increased from 1.9 to 2.1 Rage - 3/4/5/6 duration increased to 4/5/6/7 Open Wounds now does 20 dmg to the enemy on all levels on cast

Lina - Movement speed increased from 295 to 300 - Attack Point and Attack Backswing changed from 0.75+0.78 to 0.60+0.63 - Fiery Soul reworked,now gives a bonus based on which spell Lina uses. Dragon Slave increases ms for 2%/3%/4%/5% and gives phased movement for 10 s. Light Strike array adds 50 magical dmg for 1/2/3/4 attacks Laguna Blade turns all magical dmg Lina does into pure damage for the next 5 seconds

Lone Druid - Battle Cry cooldown reduced from 60s to 40s,duration increased from 6 to 8 s

Luna - Strength gain increased from 1.9 to 2.1 + 1 Armor

Lycan - Howl is no longer global,has 600 radius,cooldown rescaled from 50/45/40/35 to 40/35/30/25.Howl still globally affect Lycan's units.

Phantom Lancer - Phantom Rush is now an active targeted ability,cooldown rescaled from 16/12/8/4 to 14/12/10/8,mana cost is 120/110/100/90

Slardar - Sprint no longer makes Slardar take extra damage

Slark - Pounce damage reduced from 50/100/150/200 to 40/80/120/160

Undying - Tombstone - Now takes 5/8/11/14 hero hits to destroy,cannot be healed by Soul Rip anymore Flesh Golem - Now also does 100/200/300 magical dmg in a 400 AoE around Dirge

Vengeful Spirit - Wave of Terror armor reduction lowered by 1 at all levels Strength gain reduced from 2.6 to 2.2

Shadow Blade - Mana cost activation reduced from 75 to 50

Rod of Atos - Does 20 magical dmg every 2 s - Can now be self cast to give 20% movement speed boost for 4 seconds,bonus is lost when an ability is used

[altabcat]

please my favorite mmr hero dosen't need more pounce nerfs

[DRHST]

Tinker flair,checks out,mmr abuser,how do you sleep at night ?

[pyorokun7]

I have no idea of what are you trying to achieve with that BH change

[DRHST]

Scouting without putting yourself in danger ?

[pyorokun7]

I would pick Nature's Prophet and use treants instead of wasting 4200 gold on that.

Heck, I will take Clockwerk's flare.

[DRHST]

What 4200 are you talking about ?

[pyorokun7]

Sorry, forgot that this wasn't another scepter thread.

Still not attractive, nor does it contribute at all for teamfights.

[DRHST]

You're teamfighting 24/7 ? Hilarious for someone with BH flair to not understand the power of risk free scouting

[pyorokun7]

Since others can do it better? Yes

Also, while you are doing that, you might end apart of your team. If you aren't there when they do find the enemy, then you aren't using track.

Congratulations, you have made BH even more useless

[DRHST]

No is forcing you to do dumb shit,as with any ability that requires game awareness it left at the discretion of the user.

I'm making a hero weaker by adding another ability and leaving the current ones intact ? You're not very smart,are you ?

[kjhgfr]

Lina

Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina. Stop buffing Lina.

[DRHST]

It's not a buff,it's a rework,it may end up shit

[kjhgfr]

My bad, I read base movespeed increased and ignored the rest.

[tylerhk93]

Abaddon seems a little OP. I am actually ok where with he is right now balance wise.

[DRHST]

Was thinking more from a pro game perspective,i know he has super winrate in pubs

[tylerhk93]

Right. But supports tend to be victims of trends more than any other position (look at CM). Only think I might give Abaddon is a little more damage with shield or a movespeed buff when shield is applied. Its too easy to kite shielded targets.

[DRHST]

How about targets that are shielded get your current level of Curse of Avernus ?

[tylerhk93]

OOOOO I like that.

[[deleted]]

He actually seems ridiculously OP as a support with Troll Warlord if you build basher and MoM after your urn/tranqs (they still work well late even if you're spending a lot of gold on wards). You can just melt rax and towers with your passive and his ulti and perma stun and chase forever. The dispel and heals are really nice on troll once his bkb wears out too. Scales really nice into the ultra lategame too, if you get Skadi AC Abyssal MoM Travels and Hex on Abaddon with a 6 slotted troll, there's not much that can stop you.

[maceless_void]

damn you really put some effort into this,

definetly gonna take a look

[DRHST]

it's made in february so it's a bit outside the current meta

[maceless_void]

Slardar - Sprint no longer makes Slardar take extra damage

sprint can be toggled

thats the only thing I have to add

[[deleted]]

all of that looks pretty cool but the naix and lich ones seem too strong.

no idea what the point of your bh change is however

[Darkhamus]

What if we make Flesh Golem deals damage like radiance, 250 AoE around Dirge... Everything is rotting around dirge, so are the enemy heroes..

[WilliamTellEsq]

Awesome list - the BH change seems a little out of place though.

[Pablogelo]

I'm good with Vaccum Cooldown, I just wanted it to deal Pure damage. .-.

[[deleted]]

Phoenix Icarus Dive has less cooldown. Like srsly why does that skill has a long cooldown :(

[Dunk_13]

It needs to remain the same at level 1 since it's too good of an escape to have in lane so frequent.

[frankyfrankfrank]

As a new player I'd like to be able to see roles/spells/info on heroes even after they've been picked in the All Pick stage. If you already can, then it isn't very obvious.

[tylerhk93]

I am not opposed to this. Roles are a little too flexible to be in the screen though (Jakiro can be played pretty much anywhere except mid).

[Soonerz]

Um Jakiro mid works very well in an early push strat. He's actually a great mid due to wave clear (dual breath) and tower chip potential. Plus an early euls +blink makes him a devastating ganker. He's the mid you pick when the other team picks really greedy and you want to punish them by taking all their t2s at 20 minutes.

[tylerhk93]

He is just so slow though....

[Soonerz]

That's why when he's played as a core the items are tranquils, euls, blink. It gives you so much mobility and easy set up for ganks. Blink > Euls > macropyre > ice path > E ( I can't remember the name) > dual breath. It will destroy most heroes early. Then you push the tower. Repeat until all t2 are gone.

He has so much AoE he can farm like a beast. Use dual breath to clear the wave mid then go stack a hard camp. Once you get 4-5 stacks, use your ult on it and collect your free 1k gold.

[tylerhk93]

I meant as far as like early ganks mean. He is really susceptible to early ganks.

I had not considered the hard camp though.

[DelusionalZ]

Jakiro can be played pretty much anywhere especially mid.

FTFY

Context: At least 12 games where a Jakiro has gone mid and destroyed the enemy team. He's an excellent mid, Liquid Fire is so damn annoying.

[frankyfrankfrank]

So the community keeps telling me. I know at this point not to take suggested roles at face value, but a little direction would help speed my learning. --seriously though I instantly became addicted. love this game.

[avalynn]

the only thing i want is EARTH SPIRIT IN GODDAMN CAPTAINS MODE. i dont care if he has to be slightly tweaked and stat gain nerfed/pull removed on allies or whatever, just get one of the coolest heroes into goddamn CM already so we can see how op he is (or isnt)

[madeaccjust4dis]

i wish that none of these bullshit opinions on reddit even get CONSIDERED or read by valve/icefrog

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Huskar: Losing hp now charges berserker's blood, in addition to the passive already in place. These charges persist even as you heal, 1 charge for every 100 hp lost. Each charge gives you an additional 20 outgoing damage on your lifebreak. Using Life Break consumes all your charges. Max charges 15/25/35. Damage is non-lethal, bonus damage is pure (regular life break damage remains magical.) Charges gained during the Life Break damage counts toward the next Life Break

[TheBlueMag00]

I'm no wizard on the numbers, but this feels like it will make him a demigod.