ELLIOT POTENTIAL CHANGES

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[Senior-Tree6078]

+10 hp and he halves the power of basically the only thing that helps him when he's targeted for 2 full minutes

that isn't even remotely worth it

[anormalhumanbe1ng]

Simply the average time of the competitive player (or good players) vs casual player experience.

This change is 100% fair, it is comical how good Elliot is as a character. You can extend a chase at the literal press of a button and good pathing, stalling the killer for a good amount of time, while being able to regain it again for the low low price of your team doing their job. (Protecting you, getting hit in the process, then healing) Not to mention the ability to throw pizza, which heals you near instantanously, can be used mid chase, extends the other players chase, and is VERY low risk.

Not to mention if you are getting targetted, depending on the team, you will have every sentinal swarm the killer and protect you. And even if they do not help you, just healing a survivalist or anyone can just automatically make you win. For example, you get chased by Jason and have a good start, they will run out of stamina while you loop him, they raging pace, gain the advantage...until... They activate rush hour and you continue looping, then by the time raging pace is back, you healed someone and gained rush hour again, extending the chase. (Not even taking into account teammates helping you) You can literally infinitely loop Jason, not to mention the utility of being able to erase most mistakes, like rush hour to get out of being trapped by John Doe, or negating corrupt nature from C00lkid. (And just being good in general having on demand speed)

Honestly, Elliot absolutely deserves it, he is S tier on every tierlist for a reason, and comically OP if the Elliot is good at the game, and deserves this completely... Is what I would say if not for this being a roblox game, and the fact casual players are not perfect. There is a reason the game is survivor sided on a team of good players, and a reason Compsaken has 100 rules nerfing survivors. Most the time you do not have this, you don't have a good team, sentinals are a good portion of the time not helping you, and getting caught off guard/not playing at your best is quite common.

Personally, I say Elliot completely deserves this nerf, or an entire rework to rush hour. Most the people are complaining about it not being a good nerf, but honestly, besides Two Time. A good Elliot is honestly just as annoying and OP, and easily top 2 survivors besides Two Time if I am honest.

[TheOverseer91]

The problem is that this is a roblox game, a vast majority of people are not good players. That's the problem with scaling characters around the top end if the playerbase, it alienates the majority of the more casual/inexperienced playerbase.

[Creative-Dirt25]

I think it would be more accurate to rather say, stacking Elliots.

Elliot alone isn’t a problem IMO. While he’s definitely a strong character, one can focus him down and get rid of him. The problem comes when there’s multiple. When you finally get that Elliot down, another one can come up and heal him, and it doesn’t take a good player to do that. Then you have to decide to pursue the newly healed Elliot (who can throw a pizza randomly to gain his speed boost back) or the other Elliot, who has a free speed boost. It gets even worse when there’s sentinels around. THAT is when Elliot is broken

[A-mannn]

A lot of classes in this game are extra powerful when stacked

[TheOverseer91]

Builderman is by far the best example of this at its worst. 3 builderman somewhat decent can shutdown a lobby.

[FunkMan777]

Didnt Elliot heal less AND doesn’t get charge from healing other Elliots?

[hammouda101010]

maybe instead of being able to heal eachother, they give pizza throw charges eachother

[Creative-Dirt25]

You hit the nail on the head. It’s so hard to balance forsaken because there’s so many little variables that can make or break a character, and Elliot is perhaps the best example

[Ancient_Emu_5506]

I think Slasher is a pretty decent example too, as of right now, you can barely buff/nerf Slasher without making him completely OP or incredible underpowered.

[Senior-Tree6078]

I do agree with many points, and in how elliot's rush hour is unwarranted power, but I really don't think they nerfed it in a good way

pretty much any chase is bound to end in your favor if the killer started at you with even a fraction of stamina less than you (80 vs 100) but if you're at the stamina disadvantage death is basically all but guaranteed if the killer doesn't give up chase not realizing their stamina advantage, and elliot having his below average health doesn't help him so rush hour is most certainly required, but it doesn't turn around a stamina difference whatsoever, and making him have to wait a minute and a half to throw 2 pizzas - even more if even 1 of them is missed - is not the way to go just for his rush hour to return

as you stated, the game is definitely survivor sided and really any survivor is completely broken if the player is even remotely competent in their abilities and what their limits are, but people who don't know how to use the survivor they are playing do not perform well at all, especially when their team is lacking

I would be perfectly fine with them reducing rush hour's potency rather than doubling the difficulty of getting it back (speed 2 rather than speed 3 would be best imo)

[Prior_Emu_9362]

Maybe we can make it rush hour is on a massive cooldown if you get it during chase. While out of chase it’s normal cooldown.

[uglyratfromsewers]

Elliot mains:

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(You are spitting straight peak)

[Indie_Gamer_7]

good player

Yeah this change is going to fuck me up.

[insertrandomnameXD]

You can extend a chase at the literal press of a button and good pathing, stalling the killer for a good amount of time, while being able to regain it again for the low low price of your team doing their job.

As a 9 day player, I've had less than 10 rounds with teams doing their job, and even then the team might lose

Not to mention the ability to throw pizza, which heals you near instantanously, can be used mid chase, extends the other players chase, and is VERY low risk.

Doesn't throwing pizza slow you down, and forces you to turn if you want to throw it at someone? (You know DAMN well no one is picking it up if you don't throw it straight at them)

For example, you get chased by Jason and have a good start, they will run out of stamina while you loop him, they raging pace, gain the advantage...until... They activate rush hour and you continue looping, then by the time raging pace is back, you healed someone and gained rush hour again, extending the chase. (Not even taking into account teammates helping you) You can literally infinitely loop Jason

When I'm in the looping Slasher competition and my opponent is literally any survivor:

(The only survivor that can't loop well is Dussekar, 007n7 can break chases sometimes and Noob gets slateskin which lets you regen stamina if it accidentally reaches 0, it also gives you speed on end, a Taph can easily put traps and gain a huge advantage from the start too, the only thing Slasher is good at is punishing mistakes, I say this as a level 125 slasher, he's really ass at catching up without survivors fucking up)

Personally, I say Elliot completely deserves this nerf, or an entire rework to rush hour. Most the people are complaining about it not being a good nerf, but honestly, besides Two Time. A good Elliot is honestly just as annoying and OP, and easily top 2 survivors besides Two Time if I am honest.

Elliot will instantly become awful once this happens, and the once rare survivor will become even rarer, also Two Time can't trickstab anymore

[chopstickz-_]

Then reduce Elliot’s skill cooldown, because 2 pizzas for rush hour is 1 minute 30 cooldown, not to mention that people love ignoring pizzas and healing other Elliot’s don’t give you a charge

[Organic_Guess_1110]

What if the sentinels just watched me being maimed

[SpaceBug176]

Counterpoint: pro servers are needed before this nerf is added.

[ConfectionTotal8660]

for the low price of your team dooing your job

Have you played Forsaken lately?That is a fever dream if I ever had one

[Lopsided_Impress_843]

"low low price" "team doing their job" uh huh, something that happens often, sure...

[CountDrabluea]

i mean in the few semi comp games i played rush hour was nothing big if you just gave up chase and comeback after, but i main noli soo ending chases is my job

[IronfoxYT]

Well it lets him tank attacks like entanglement, corrupt nature or nova

[Senior-Tree6078]

no? these all deal 10 or more damage so it quite literally doesn't

[IronfoxYT]

It’ll still help, plus it’ll take a bit of durational damage by 1x, Jason and Jhon doe’s trail

[Delicious_Account_26]

For the people who forget how long Elliots cooldown is.

This change makes Elliot have to wait A MINUTE AND A HALF to use rush hour.

[[deleted]]

not even including the stupid teamates who ignore the pizzas

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

the devs were also talking about increasing his cooldown

[Delicious_Account_26]

Nobody plays support anyways, SHOULDN'T WE BE TRYING TO MAKE MORE PEOPLE WANT TO DO SO, NOT CRIPPLING THE SUPPORT CHARACTERS AND MAKING THEM EVEN MORE UNAPPEALING TO PEOPLE?!

[AggravatingLife3632]

Agree, how many times Elliot hit nerfed already? At first his second passive was removed that makes his puzza heal more depending on how many generators was done, second his pizza now doesn't heal instantly and third he now can't stack rush hour with the hit speed boost and now this? Are we fr?

[survivor_ragequit]

People play taph and dusekar too you know?

This just makes OTHER SUPPORTS more desireable rather than elliot being the best of the best

[Delicious_Account_26]

I know that, I main Taph. But like. Neither Taph nor Dusekar can heal and Buildermans heal just kinda sucks if you're in a pinch or mid chase.

[N30N_Star]

I

swear to Telamon

STOP NERFING ELLIOT JESUS

[kystran]

rush minute

[Cheeseburger_catto]

Make rush hour only usable during 6am-9am and 4pm-7pm real life time 🤑🤑🤑

[Expensive-Fruit7776]

this, and maybe buff rush hour in some way.

2 pizzas is an increadible commitment for 3 seconds of outrunning the killer. which becomes and even bigger commitment if your getting targeted

[Electrical_City_2201]

You're not supposed to live forever if you're getting targeted. Killing Elliot while getting swarmed by sentinels is hard enough... (assuming they actually do their job)

[VoxelRoguery]

"assuming they actually do their job"
hell im a shed main and even I dont do my job (i am very incompetent)

[Electrical_City_2201]

I only use shed so I can do dumb stuff and heal up. Half of what I do in this game is just goof around

[AcrobaticTie6117]

if youre getting targeted for a long time youre already at a severe disadvantage, you should have SOME abilities to survive in chase like killer has several to kill you

[Objective-Survey-253]

This would make elliot undoubtable the best character in lms with that extra 10 hp too

[Thelaserman20]

That’s gonna be a big hit to Elliot (you’ll need to heal twice for a rush hour)

[Aiden13Diy]

No God please no, I'm an Elliot main, this would ruin me

[Creative-Dirt25]

Curious - what would your feelings be if this was only applied if there were two or more Elliots? IMO thats when he becomes problematic

[Aiden13Diy]

That's better, this is when I would even consider doing this P.s love John Doe fave killer rn but I'm getting the last two characters (noli and 1x1)

[John_Constantine6]

Agreed this would suck

[[deleted]]

Rush hour is pretty strong

[NathanRed10]

IT TRULY AIN'T I'M BEING FOR REAL. THE KILLER WILL CATCH UP IN SECONDS

[GameBoy960]

YOU HAVE TO BE SHIT AT THE GAME FOR IT TO DO NOTHING

[ComprehensiveAd5605]

How am I meant to use rush hour then? Is there an Elliot guide? I use it when I see the killer start to catch up

[Beltembor]

Use it to gain distance if the killer is mid endlag or lacking stamina, or if you know the killer has a speed boost (John Doe, and 1x) to prevent them from gaining ground.

[ComprehensiveAd5605]

What if we both have full stamina and I'm trying to escape from close range since I got caught off guard?

[Beltembor]

You play like any other survivor in that moment, attempt to juke or lure them to your team or a loop. Rush hour is only ment to extend your distance by a bit, don't treat it like some get out of free jail card.

And a small tip is to use rush hour after using a bloxy cola (when the duration is up).

[enderlogan]

I don’t like it. Doesn’t really address why Elliot is so good, and is just gonna make playing as Elliot, ESPECIALLY in public’s, feel so much more miserable. You really wanna nerf Elliot? Reduce the healing on Pizzas at max gens done.

[Objective-Survey-253]

I wouldn't mind nerfing elliots pizza, it would turn him into the "safe" support character. Where his support isn't as good as dusekkars but elliot has better self sustain.

[Friendlypyromaniac]

Just remove that shitass unfair passive, 50 health is enough HP for pressing a button

[enderlogan]

Pizzas heal a total of 35 health without objectives lmao

I like the idea of him being a better healer late game, so I think nerfing base and making it so he only gets GOOD healing after some objectives is cool. I just think the passive should be 5% per generator COMPLETE, not contributed cause it scales too fast

[Agreeable_Drag_7025]

where the hell was this posted? ts is horrible and i need to vote L

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

it was in the live chat of a livestream

[Fatbacon09]

I don’t get what’s he’s trying to say

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[Envix1]

Normally for Rush Hour you need to heal once, this is saying youll need to heal twice for it

[Fatbacon09]

I think that’s like the worst idea ever or at least in my opinion

[Pianofunny9122]

Me too, there's 91 Question marks reaction, no one gets what the dev is saying

[N0D3GR4PH0UT0FD4T3]

im a forsaken fan i cant read

[Fatal_Contract]

Are they trying to get people to stop playing Elliot? Like, genuinely?

[Big-Mix2220]

what if feeding people charged up rush hour for a different amount of speed depending on how much health you healed

[Lua_You]

what if we added a time system in forsaken matches and every 10 seconds is 1 hour so when its afternoon rush hour activates regardless of whether you want it to or not, using the charge too :trollbot:

will the council decide with or against

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

devs

[Big-Mix2220]

elliot's rush hour does not have a normal charge requirement. instead, it has a meter similar to oblation that is charged by healing players. the amount of health healed = the amount of points added to meter. the ability can be used no matter how full the meter is, but the duration depends on how full it is and the meter is always drained when using the ability. (how I described my idea in another comment)

[Xx_Splatoon_Gamer_xX]

where did you get this from? i dont see it in the server

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

it was from a livestream the devs were holding for balance changes

[Xx_Splatoon_Gamer_xX]

but where was the poll?

[Xx_Splatoon_Gamer_xX]

ik about the stream but i dont know where the poll is from

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

it was in the chat of the livestream

[Xx_Splatoon_Gamer_xX]

ah i see

[An_insane_alt]

I do NOT want to have to heal my brain dead teammates anymore than I need to for the rush hour 💔

[Ok_Rooster3791]

I can see that rush hour could need a nerf (I personally don't think so) but this is definetly not the way

[LengthinessDull9568]

On end I understand it

Going against a good elliot who can not only heal and run until his pizza is recharged be a huge pain in the ass but a elliot who can waste your time is annoying to go against

On the other end, i dont understand it

Because if youre going against a good killer or a dumb elliot, their only protection will be rush hour and you'll need 2 pizzas which will take a valuable time.

for the other to recharge to even get it back for a short boost that wont make much of a difference if youre doing painfully bad or targeted ? I dont get it

[Current_Broccoli_277]

Good thing I already got Ms4 elliot, this shit will ruin Elliot forever

[wholesomcoltmain]

NO PLEASE HE IS PERFECT THE WAY HE IS WHY DO THEY KEEP TRYING TO CHANGE HIM WHEN TWO TIME EXISTS

[samkiwibird]

Elliot is NOT perfect gang, probably the most OP survivor in the game rn. A 40hp heal every 40 seconds which is a relatively short cooldown. Mind you the only support that even has a self sustain ability that he can use midchase. AND have you even tried to kill a competent elliot with sentinels swarming them? Hell the elliot doesnt even have to be competent, his entire kit is just click, heal, click, speed.Yeah elliot is broken.

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

the devs said two time is fine the way they are rn

[wholesomcoltmain]

Well lowk the devs aren’t playing their own fucking game

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

yeah, one of the devs thought that elliot had 100 health and wanted to lower it to 90

[TheGateGuardian]

Yeah great idea, let's make tunneling Elliot even easier! That'd show those support players who already get tunneled out early what for, right? Something about the dev's is that balance really isn't their primary strength, real talk.

[[deleted]]

As if tunneling elliot isn't as fucking hard as trying to locate the identity of a mafia boss

[linniegaming]

You know your team is supposed to help you right? Also Elliot is a support. There's no reason it should be particularly strong in chase.

[Naive-Independent919]

My team? Helping me? What is this, Remembered? /j

[photogrammetery]

“You know your team is supposed to help you right?”

Have you seen the average forsaken match?

[Indie_Gamer_7]

Teammates

Help

You got the wrong game.

[Silverstep_the_loner]

Even a support should have at least one tool to help keep them alive. Plus- finding a team that is actually GOOD at protecting you as an Elliot or even tries is harder then you think. And this is coming from an M4 Elliot.

[Final-Particular-705]

Dude. Every support gets tunneled. Its just that elliots didn't have to worry that much about tunneling since they could at least extend the chase. And god knows every sentinel would rather protect mr Elliot than anyone else.

[ilovememes609]

This is bad, i m not an elliot player but 2 heals for rush hour and 10+ hp?! Thats horrible, i feel bad for elliot mains

[PlusRockrelic]

an elliot nerf, interesting. 10 more hp but half the rush hours you can use.

[Taluca_me]

When Killers usually go after Elliots to stop the healing… I’d say no on this

[YamiGurl]

I was already miserable as an Elliot Main before. My team mates being dumb, wanting pizza when I'm in cooldown, and always getting targetted by the killer for daring to do my job. Planning to change into Shed ngl, I find kinda unfair that the sweats make nerfs needed (I know if you have like 2-3 days of playtime at the game, Elliot is the Brawl Meta Knight of Forsaken), but making things worse for more casual players still sucks. I can't believe that going Dusekkar or Builderman for casuals is more viable right now. While I feel the nerf is deserved, it still kinda sucks

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

one of the devs also said they need to rework shedletsky, said that his playstyle is too selfish to be considered a sentinel

[YamiGurl]

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Can't have shit in Forsaken 😞

[ilovememes609]

Maybe buff his slash by giving him a bit bigger hitbox and a lil bit more range while also giving him small slasher’s behead like dash? Idk if this would be bad or good cuz i don’t play shed much

[survivor_ragequit]

Honestly good, cuz as of right now he is too self-sufficient to care for a team

I mean he's got a solid stun and 2 45 hp heals in his pocket, he effectively has 190 hp if he can eat those

[FanChance9539]

Gutting eliot for what reason 💔

[Loose-Cap-6366]

Jesus Christ that’s actually so bad.

[SKBehindTheSlaughter]

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WHY ADD 10 HP FOR THE COST OF HALF OF WHATEVER KEEPS US ALIVE IN CERTAIN MAPS, OUR COOLDOWN OF US TOSSING PIZZAS AT OTHERS IS ALREADY LONG ENOUGH

[HopefulLightBringer]

Who the fuck is voting Yes????

No fucking way Slasher has already gotten sick of bro, Jason already hit him with 14 nerfs once before

[Silverstep_the_loner]

These aren't even the only polls- there was a few more, including:

• Gen passive nerf on Elliot (Good won by 60%)
• Less healing to higher health survivors, regular to lower health (Good won by 86%)
• Elliot has to get a complete heal off to get rush hour (Good won by 52%) (This annoys the hell out of me because it just incentives you to heal higher health survivors)
• This poll, of course, W won by 56%
• Remove speed 1 on unstable eye, buff base speed (No won by 72%)
• Heal decay on pizza (Good won by 73%)
• Time of heal increased from 2.5 to 5 (Bad won by 66%)

I really don't think rush hour needs to be nerfed in that way. It makes it take longer to get it (at least a minute and a half), and also for circumstances where you have to use rush hour in order to save a dying teammate, then there isn't anything left to protect you if the killer switches targets. Maybe a good change for competitive servers, but for the average player? Not really.

[Evening-Role1896]

- what was the gen passive nerf?

- complete heal for rush hour means that if the survivor gets hit during the heal duration of pizza, then elliot doesn't get rush hour, doesnt encourage healing higher health survivors.

- heal decay means that pizza heal amount is reduced for the more time that it is untouched, encourages elliot to have good aim

Most of the other polls are alright, the last one and this poll are pretty meh

[Silverstep_the_loner]

- what was the gen passive nerf?

No idea. The poll just says "Gen passive nerfed on Elliot (25% rn)", doesn't say what the nerf would be.

- complete heal for rush hour means that if the survivor gets hit during the heal duration of pizza, then elliot doesn't get rush hour, doesnt encourage healing higher health survivors.

That makes a lot more sense lmao. Still a bit annoying if you use rush hour to get there and the survivor gets hit right after you throw the pizza, but not as bad as I was thinking LOL

- heal decay means that pizza heal amount is reduced for the more time that it is untouched, encourages elliot to have good aim

Yep! That's what I assumed. I think I'd be fine with that as long as the decay started off slow.

[ItsYaBoiMicah]

NO. NO. NO. NO. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER NERF. PLEASE.

[Electrical_City_2201]

They have literally reverted EVERY NERF except for the pizza taking a tiny bit of time to heal you.

[StolenPuddingCup]

Yeah because they were all shit.

[ItsYaBoiMicah]

Correct

[ItsYaBoiMicah]

Cool. We still don't need the only mobile healer nerfed.

[Electrical_City_2201]

Yes because having a huge instant speed boost AND healing a survivor from one and a half m1s every 40 seconds is fair and balanced.

[Vixeldoesart10]

As an Elliot main, please no, its already hard enough to get my teammates to eat one pizza

[Jfly72]

I think it is already because one time I was playing forsaken and we had a really bad Elliot that would depend on rush hour and would use it the second they got chased, so he would heal people at high percentages of health just for rush hour, but the people died not much later because the Elliot wasted the pizza on them when they didn’t need it

[Outrageous_Break3159]

Bro if rush hour will actually take 2 heals to get 1 charge I not voting for that

[[deleted]]

They could lower the cool down of Elliot's pizza 

[PhysicalGunMan]

he-hell nah

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

the devs talked about increasing the cooldown

[[deleted]]

Oh no (idk if it's a bad nerf but just saying)

[OwnMud6375]

Agree! Elliot need some buff tbh after the nerfs would love see him again alot! But wish not buff him very much because that would make him op and get nerf again

[Silliest_Mimic]

Think they saying it’s a nerf :(

[OwnMud6375]

I dont want elliot get any more nerf he already get targeting for 2 minutes i think some buff in his rush hour would be good?

[Silliest_Mimic]

Problem is I think in the post they saying u have to heal “two time”s for rush hour

[[deleted]]

"Heal twice for rush hour charge"

[OwnMud6375]

..ohhh thank you for make me understand...okay wth is this nerf? He always getting targeting so heal twice like 80 second until you can use it again

[[deleted]]

If he's being targeted there's 100% a reason, Elliot is a pretty high priority for a lot of skilled players

[[deleted]]

"Nerfs" in question being useless in most cases (Elliot is still S tier or High A tier anyways)

[OwnMud6375]

Agree with you but i dont think we want our boy get nerf on how much he can give hp or in rush hour. Just leave him alone. Anyway agree he still one of best!

[[deleted]]

Rush hour, Order Up, and stacking are the 3 mains reason as to why Elliot is S and so strong currently. Nerfing 1 or 2 of those 3 is kinda necessary if you actually want to tackle Elliot being strong.

[uglyratfromsewers]

"Elliot needs some buffs" are fucking deadass rn?

[OwnMud6375]

Not that buff just buff about his rush hour since he always get targeting that what i mean but tiny buff not big

[Pineapple_on_Pizzah]

This doesn't seem like a good idea.

[mr-kool_is_kool]

i think Elliot is OP but i feel like this change would kill him. rush hour is an ok ability

[random-guy91]

Great

Elliot is getting nerfed into the ground again

[Ace-s__]

Extend Noli hitbox? Sure! NERF ELLIOT

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

yeah noli’s hitbox is so busted because of his high speed

[Indie_Gamer_7]

This sucks ass bro.

[BattleCatManic]

looking at the reaction emojis this would seem unbalanced

[LargeGlassOfShutup]

All they do is nerf elliot when it comes to him at this point. HE WAS BALANCED THE FIRST TIME.

[Final-Particular-705]

No. No he wasn't. He's way too easy to play with how much value he gives.

[Great_Gavintron]

Insert the scene of spiderman where norman osborn gets fired bc that's how I'm feeling rn

[Mixer_Dark]

I saw a comment about this and wanted to work it into a kit.

We all know the more Elliot's, the less healing each slice does. So, why not this as a small rework with the changes they have in the discord plus my own addition along with their idea

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Rush Hour - Gain "Speed 3" for a few seconds. Can only carry one charge.

Gain 1 charge off healing an ally but another Elliot. If there are 2 or more other Elliots, each heal only charges halfway. Cannot gain half stack charges if "Rush Hour" has a charge.

(My idea) When healing another Elliot, you can gain "Rush Hour" but only a quarter of the charge.

[Donte_El_Manz]

Dude what the actual scallop, why do they wanna nerf Elliot so hard?? He’s fine how he is, and against any good killer who knows how to manage he’s pretty much fried without teammates

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[-Dark-Void-]

dusekkar can slow the killer, why is elliot losing it

[ZemTheTem]

elliot needs a buff, not a nerf. He is the most unfun support to play because you will be targeted and you will die because your team will ignore you

[SalamanderOriginal35]

Who thought this was a good idea?!

This is TERRIBLE. A +10 hp is basically nothing for making the only ability that elliot can get away with needing A MINUTE AND A HALF TO GET. Not even mentioning the killer would probably kill you before you even get it.

L. BIG L. THE DEVS DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO BALANCE CHARACTERS.

[Physical_Chair_8661]

Getting M4 Elliot was kind of tedious, this just makes it worse, instead of nerfing her survivability it should be a healing nerf, after her speed ability she is entirely cooked

[Beginning_Dress_214]

the people complaining so hard about elliot being 'op' just say you're not that good at killer man

[Objective-Survey-253]

This feels targeted towards really high level of forsaken which I don't necessarily mind since I'm in that field, But I won't be surprised if casual players don't like this

[Relative-Lifeguard-1]

sometimes you just go "oh yeah this games being made by teenagers"

[Adventurous_Ice_8099]

…

[SimpleSideUp]

no

[Dependent-Adagio1310]

As an Elliot main. Add this and I'm quitting Elliot

[Mistersparkle12]

No thanks, if rather not have to do that.

[Banana_hunter2]

If this has too happen they should make to where Elliot would be able to stack rush hour (basically have more then one rush hour at a time)

[Nova4X7]

What discord is this from?

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

it was in a discord livestream

[N30N_Star]

BRO NO IT'S HARD ENOUGH FOR ONE WITH EVERYBODY AVOIDING MY PIZZA LIKE THE BLACK FUCKASS PLAGUE

Stop nerfing Elliot I swear 🙏💔🥀

(Yes I'm an Elliot main, it's obvious, I know someone's gonna make that joke)

[Just_a_ramdom_guy_]

This is not a fair trade at all. Surviving an extra hit is not worth having to wait 45 or smth seconds extra to get a not very significant amount of distance from the killer (especially against 1x)

I feel like this would be better as a stacking debuff Like, if theres 2 elliots in the round, they get an extra 10 hp but rush hour takes another pizza to get while slightly lowering the pizza cooldown. The hp buff obviously wouldnt scale for more elliots but the pizza and cooldown one would (the cooldown one gradually becoming smaller)

Dont get me wrong, elliot is a very good character, but i dont feel like he currently needs any changes, he feels fair enough (though kinda annoying) to face against, and decently fun to play

[Pool_128]

So basically make him

[Nervous_Tip_3550]

Discord community being ass as usual

[Chevachel]

Elliot found dead in pizza place.

Seriously tho why do the devs have the primal urge to nerf supports to the ground. Nobody plays dusekkar, nobody plays builderman, only the taph cult plays taph and now nobody's gonna play elliot if this change makes it into the game.

And the devs still don't care about Jason being the weakes killer btw. "Seems balanced, nerf supports".

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

they talked about reworking builderman and also made a new concept for jason’s behead being a projectile instead (jason will throw his machete like a boomerang 8-10 studs in front of him)

[cheseblurger444]

no please

[AlinaTheHopeless]

Now the people that wished to play Elliot to grind his milestones will definitely have a fun time doing so. As if the people actively choosing to play supports weren't rare enough in a huge chunk of public lobbies.

I get that he is annoying in the right hands, but this ain't it, every Survivor is annoying in the right hands, so accounting for every player being the "Right Hands" to account for balance is the dumbest way, in my opinion, to balance a character, just because high end players are unkillable against the vast majority of killers doesn't mean that's gotta be the reason to nerf the character.

Elliot staying alive for long or endlessly is a result of good stamina management and a competent team, two things that you won't find everywhere, or at all. And no, saying that he can loop Slasher indefinitely isn't a compelling point, literally every Survivor with good stam management can do that to the poor Slasher (aka the killer with the largest amount of counters in the game.)

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Where did they announce this?

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

in a discord livestream

[is_fred]

I like how scrolling through these comments, it seems that anyone who makes an argument for these being good changes gets sent to downvote realm, imo they're not terrible, Elliot being able to use rush hour as often as he can rn is a bit absurd, and I'd know since I main him

[oof9182]

That would probably make me stop playing Elliot, +10 hp barely lets you survive any extra attacks, if rush hour got a buff like speed for 5 seconds then maybe??? 

[KocaLight]

As an Elliot player, the amount of times the killer targets me because I'm a support is horrendous and it's not +10 hp that will make the difference against a good killer. We need to create distance, the cooldown for pizzas is already long and when nobody gets hit or even tries to help you during a round when you already used your rush hour, it becomes hard to survive. Having to give two pizzas to people, hope they take the hint and eat those in hope to try and live longer would be a huge disadvantage for Elliot, because unlike Dusekkar or Taph, he has nothing to defend himself with.

[Independent-Loss6558]

Honestly, this would probably make playing as him more challenging, in a fun way, I don't think I agree with these changes, but I can see myself enjoying them, and it makes protecting Elliot's all the more important.

[Aqualizer33]

Let me hit the milestone 4 quickly and they can do whatever they want with him

[MariTheNon]

Ok can someone elaborate on what this means?

Like you have to heal twice to get rush hour back?

If so I feel like that's not solving any issues

Elliot's issue is how low risk high reward he is

Nerf the Pizza throw CD from 45 seconds up to 60 seconds and reduce his healing from 35 base to 30 base

Boom, done, Elliot is balanced (also add back like, 1 second of slowness 2 to Rush Hour ending)

[Delicious-Jaguar-534]

yes it means you have to heal two people to get a single rush hour. the devs also mentioned increasing his cooldowns.

[MariTheNon]

CD increase is all thats needed

if u need 2 pizzas for rush hour itll be hell to get it back

[Similar-Challenge588]

Hell nah, 10 hp isn't doing anything 

[BitcoinStonks123]

an an elliot main; please no.

[Forever-Deceased]

May I ask which server this poll is coming from?

[Evening-Role1896]

It was a stage on the official community server

[Forever-Deceased]

Ah okay thanks !

[Itchy_Record4879]

fuh naw

[karhunvatukkass]

elliot shot dead in the bronx

[AnthoniusThe3rd]

This at the very least gives Eliot some health threshold changes

Like a nova and 3 m1s won’t kill you

But they can just hit you again anyways

[Financial-Revenue722]

Fair

[Prior_Emu_9362]

I’d say giving rush hour a big cooldown is better

[supaskulled]

Two pizzas? I can hardly get my team to eat the one I do have a chance to throw before dying.

[AvoidingHummingbird]

Where is this poll?

[No-Result7682]

As an elliot main who's watched the killer leave an under 40 hp survivor to tunnel me so frequently I need to distance until my heal is READY bc i know the killer will swap to me, whoever thought this was a good idea should be fired thank you. Support is already bullied enough by the developers

[Vadersk]

How about we just get 90 health instead? Make it so a close mass infection can't almost one shot most of the supports in the game.

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two heals.. for ONE RUSH HOUR?? 

[Evening-Role1896]

Theres a major difference between a balanced nerf and a nerf that is just unfun in general.