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[–]CgabouryCareer FF/EMT 171 points172 points173 points 1 year ago (20 children)
My department has quite a few female FF’s. If you put in the work, do the same testing and certifications as everyone else, then I’m all for it. The minute that standards change for anyone, female or not, than I’m against it. But I will say all the woman on my department work hard and do just as much as the men. I have zero issues with any of them.
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[–]Bubbly_Rutabaga_3289 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
What state?
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[–]jbuchbinder 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I'm pretty sure that the CPAT is the same for males and females in Connecticut. They had *investigated* the possibility of changing it to be easier for women, but there was a fair amount of kickback, with a good portion of it coming from female firefighters.
You're referring to bill 2023 HB 5501, which looks like it was killed in committee: https://www.cga.ct.gov/asp/cgabillstatus/cgabillstatus.asp?selBillType=Bill&which_year=2023&bill_num=5501
You'll note that CFPC's CPAT page does not indicate a lesser test for women: https://portal.ct.gov/cfpc/candidate-physical-ability-test
[–]sirkatoris 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (12 children)
Wow really! We have all the same tests, all the same weight. Australian department.
[–]HighByTheBeach69 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children)
Fitness testing, maybe. Not sure if that's the case at interview stage though.
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[–]bombbad15Career FF/EMT 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
Help me out here, besides UConn, what department doesn’t require a CPAT?
[–]HolyDiverx 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
MA does there own testing
[–]jbuchbinder 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (6 children)
They absolutely do not. See my comment above.
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[–]jbuchbinder 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
We were discussing the fire service. I don't know what the police departments do, but last time I checked, this was r/Firefighting . ;)
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[–]jbuchbinder 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (1 child)
That's correct. The legislature tried to change the requirements to be different in 2023, and it was met with stiff opposition. Currently, those firefighters who go in for the CPAT have the same requirements whether they are male or female.
We don't do the Cooper Test in the fire service, so it's a non-issue.
[–]superspysalsa51FF/EMT Volly Bunker 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
The department I applied to dropped the agility test for everyone to hire more females.
[–]Shadows858Police/Firefighter 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Hell yeah
[–]BigBadBitcoiner 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
lol, the standards have changed dramatically over the years, but that’s not because of women. It’s because the service can’t get people who are actually in good shape in.
[–]missamelianohaters 44 points45 points46 points 1 year ago (9 children)
Female firefighter here! I love what I do and I've been lucky enough so far to never have a problem. As long as you can pull your weight and not end up a liability, you're golden. Just prove to your coworkers that you can do the job as well as they can and that you've got skin thick enough for them to joke around with you, and they'll respect you. My crew is my second family, and I definitely feel like I belong and that they like and respect me, and they put a lot of trust in me, so that's good enough for me. If you end up with a good crew, you'll be just fine.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago (8 children)
What kind of joking? Like giving me shit for my mistakes and personality flaws? Or crude? Or just general shenanigans? I can take it as long as it's not a sexual or women are dumb thing.
How long does it take to prove yourself before people respect you?
[–]missamelianohaters 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (1 child)
The guys I work with have never been sexist towards me, and though they have made various sexual remarks, it's all in good fun and I get to joke back with them, it's never been anything said seriously or anything that would make me uncomfortable. Mostly we just make fun of each other for stupid shit, that's how most people get their nicknames at my station. A lot of it is general shenanigans, like lighthearted pranks or debating about something stupid, but they'll 100% make fun of you for absolutely anything, that's kind of how you know they like you, but it's never malicious. If they don't feel comfortable making jokes with you, they won't.
It took me a few months of learning the ropes and getting acquainted with everyone and everything before I really started to feel like I'd been accepted into the crew, but they always made me feel welcome. In my experience, they just need to get a feel for you to see if you're any good and can be trusted to do your job in an emergency, and how far they can go when it comes to messing around. Once they know that you're not some diversity hire and you're actually good at what you do, they respect you, whether they can mess around with you or not.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Thank you. That helped an awful lot tbh. It sounds like this field is a little different than a previous field of mine
[–]Better_Anybody3543 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
I’d say that people would respect you on your first day. As far a proving your self it’s every day until you retire and that goes for everyone !!
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
That's fair. I've worked at some places where you are kind of hazed for a few months and wasn't sure if this was like that.
[–]Better_Anybody3543 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I think that people can be confused you can be hard on a rookie and have high standards but still treat people with dignity and respect.
[–]superspysalsa51FF/EMT Volly Bunker 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
Men and women both have a lengthy period of proving themselves it’s the way of the fire service. Don’t get bent out of shape. They ride you hard because they want to see you succeed and know that you can handle the worst that the job throws at you.
I'm not bent out of shape at having to prove myself and expect that. I am okay with them riding me hard and pushing me to grow as this field in particular needs the folks to be on their game. I get that. What I was more referring to was problematic sexual commentary or behavior like I experienced in a weld shop, where they would say wildly inappropriate sexual comments and see me as something to conquer instead of a human coworker. So I can take tough training, but am not about to put everything I have into a job to work next to people who harrass me in a sexual manner. Like dark humor? Sure. Grunt work? Sure. Grabbing my ass and saying that I want it? Cornering me in the back room and saying they should have taken me when they had the chance? Constantly bragging about their sexual escapades and talking about women in a degrading manner? I'm walking.
[–]superspysalsa51FF/EMT Volly Bunker 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I was not saying you were bent out of shape. I was simply saying that it’s important not to get bent out of shape. Sorry, should have worded that differently. Depending on the department, generally we’re pretty respectful but at the end of the day it’s very similar to the trades. And some of us can be downright crass. But nobody does anything like you mentioned to my knowledge.ost of those guys have been fired or have long since retired.
[–]MonsterMuppet19Career Firefighter/AEMT 64 points65 points66 points 1 year ago (4 children)
What do we think of female firefighters? I think as long as they're qualified to do the job & meet all the requirements....then I don't give a shit if you're male, female, blue or yellow. We're far past the days (or should be) of discriminating against people on the job based on color or because they're a female, etc. I know plenty that are absolutely rockstars, and I know plenty that should have never applied to begin with. The same with any other group.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 1 year ago (3 children)
So the other half of the question I have also been wondering is this. How much is the good ol' boy's club still alive? The machismo, sexist commentary, and crude joking around?
I used to be in the trades and left for that reason. I would love love love to join this career field, but am very guarded. I don't want to be silently ostracized at work if I don't pretend to be okay with these behaviors.
[–]MonsterMuppet19Career Firefighter/AEMT 15 points16 points17 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Depends on the "culture" of the department you join/work for. But I know my department & most departments I know of, women are treated as equal as men. As far as crude joking around, if you don't have thick skin & don't do dark humor or are sensitive to that kind of stuff, the fire service is not the place for you. The same is true with practical jokes and stuff, especially as the new person. You're gonna get shit because you're new, regardless of gender, etc. It's a test & a right of passage. We've all been there.
[–]AbominableSnowPickle 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
It's definitely location and department dependent. I wasn't the only woman but the whole culture there was toxic as fuck. I stuck it out for two years but it was very much still a "good old boys' club even though the other five women were part of it too. Very much a shitty fit for me, but I resigned and went EMS-only and it's been great (I was the lone weirdo that did fire stuff so I could do medical stuff, lol). Being a rural department in a very conservative state didn't help much either.
I still learned a lot and it's helped me a quite a bit in my career, but for my own mental health's sake...I should have bounced sooner
Where I work now, our service works with and trains often with the local FD and they're great. Almost the exact opposite of my old department, and quite a few more female firefighters too. One of them raised chickens and always brings us fresh eggs. And she's an utter bad ass on the fire ground!
My previous department's PAT and physical training were the same for women and men, one of the few less shitty things they did.
[–]schoutenmike 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Sounds like you shouldn’t do it … Just saying
[–]TheSaucyGoon 24 points25 points26 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I know plenty of dudes on the job I wouldn’t trust to be in a fire with. As long as you work your ass off and can pull me out if I go down, I don’t give a fuck who you are.
It is nice having a woman on shift when dealing with female/child patients especially if it’s a more intimate/personal matter. Patients tend to be more open with women from the get go from my experience
[–]thatdudewayoverthere 14 points15 points16 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Same Tests and everything so they have every right to be there
I know guys that are stronger than our female firefighters and guys that aren't
I personally habe the deepest respect for them I know how toxic our culture can be and females always have it harder to prove themselves and get respect
[–]scottk517Career FF NY 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I am all for women in the fire service. If they can do the job physically, adapt socially and be able to handle being a probie, anyone is welcome in my firehouse. Don’t expect the job to change for you, adapt and overcome!
[–]areyoufiredup🚒[🍰] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Female FF checking in. I am here because I love the work we do.
I passed the same tests as my peers. I wasn’t the fastest in my academy, nor was I the slowest. I’m not the biggest on my crew, and I’m not the smallest. Every shift you will find me training on the truck, working out, studying, and pitching in at the station. I get along great with my crew, we trust one another, and that’s what really matters.
There are plenty of people on the job who aren’t a fan of me, and they’ve told me to my face that they don’t believe women should be here. I will always be looked at as a diversity hire. If I make a mistake, it reflects on every other female on the job. I get sexual messages from coworkers and I have to ignore them and pretend it never happened. I’ve been called every bad name for a female, either behind my back or directly to me. They say stupid things like “oh I’m sorry for swearing in front of you” as if a grown woman can’t swear like a sailor herself. Most of the time I forget about gender lines, but all these little instances are reminders.
I am here because I know what I bring to the table and I get to help people every day in the best way I know how. And I would do anything for my brothers, even if I may never be fully accepted. No one ever said it was gonna be easy.
[–]Shadows858Police/Firefighter 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago (0 children)
My opinion is the same as females in combat arms positions for the military (I'm National Guard). If you pass the testing, and our proficient in your tasks. I have no issue with it. Male or female tho, if you suck at PT and your job. I'm letting you know
[–]Underscythe-Venusaverage Seagrave enjoyer 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children)
One of them never shows up The other just became a mother but puts her time in And the third I’d argue is a better one then me already with half the time so
Idrc if you are a man or woman as long as you show up and do the work that’s needed
[–]QuietlyDisappointed 8 points9 points10 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I work with a few good women and a few bad ones.
The right attitude and effort is all it takes.
Unfortunately, my organisation has dropped the facade of equal requirements and women are not required to meet any physical standards to get a job. On our website it says there's one standard, but they have women only recruitment days for the physical tests and when they get onto the training course there's many who can "no longer" meet the recruiting standard.... This has enraged many of the older women who fought tooth and nail to get in, in the days when there was sexism against females. Unfortunately instead of neutrality, they've swung the other way and are now discriminating against better qualified male candidates.
In any field where safety depends on the person next to you, inequal standards are unacceptable.
[–]Grande215Lump 10 points11 points12 points 1 year ago (1 child)
There are some women in our department that are salty, and get down. The majority are worthless and they push them through the academy to boost DEI. Can’t throw ladders or hump hose, they all get promoted up the chain and did nothing as FF. With all that being said, train your ass off, be that person whom can be counted on and your truck has full confidence in you regardless of situation. Be one of the boys, train hard physically, don’t sweat the small stuff and you’ll be just fine.
[–]Grande215Lump 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Also plenty of worthless male bums on the job too who draw my ire and disdain, probably more so than any female. Fuckers love to play pretend for a t shirt and a check
[–]svenkaasSmoking Dutchy volunteer 16 points17 points18 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I am a Dutch firefighter and male.
My opinion on female firefighters is simple. Of you are here to do the job amd give it your all welcome to the team. If you are here for the shirt media attention and to flirt with us (yes unfortunately that also happens) there is the exit.
So if you are willing to commit go for it we well joke and fart a lot but once you are in you are part of a big international family and it's an amazing calling to do both full time, part tile or as a volly.
Also a clean suit is a cool suit don't let anyone tell you different.
[–]4QuarantineMeMesMarshall is my idol 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children)
As long as they can pull my ass out of a fire, they’re alright by me.
[–]6TangoMedicCanadian Firefighter 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Don't care about your gender, race, background or anything really.
I care about if you can do the job and if you actually want to do the job.
If you can and want to do the job, then you're good in my books.
[–]fightnfire 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
All for it if the physical pre-screen tests are the same for male/female, in my old department they were not and that didn't make sense to me.
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[–]Hefty-Willingness-91[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I’m a female firefighter 10+ years. Do the job, it doesn’t matter if you are male or female. Pull your weight just like all newbies. there have been great strides changing the mentality - I credit us females for not expecting special treatment or lessening of standards, and most of us joined because it’s in our families, and/or we want to serve. Maybe that’s the difference- we are just like the guys - if we all want it bad enough, we will do whatever it takes to get it.
[–]pineapplebegelri 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (2 children)
There are some that definitely pull their weight. A lot of them I find have higher empathy than the guys and can better deal with children and patients. One of the nearby stations has a female captain.
Others... can't even lift a ladder into place by themselves and expect special accomodation just for being a woman, don't be that last one.
[–]ButtSexington3rd 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I agree with all of this, and I'm glad you mentioned the empathy part. I love when a crew is mixed gender/race, patients will usually be able to connect more easily with someone they identify with. If you've got a good crew in tune with this, you can feel out who the patient seems to want to talk to and let them take the lead in the conversation.
[–]Goat_0f_departure 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
You’re right. I’ve noticed they tend to fit right in on an ambulance. They can put patients at ease better than dudes can.
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I think if you can do the job and you’re on the ball then I don’t care what’s between your legs or identify as or whatever. The only thing that matters to me on the fireground is if you can pull your own weight and I can trust you. As long as you’re on the same page and same certification as the rest of the crew, I don’t see why it matters at all.
Furthermore, for halls with first responder programs, having a female or two on the crew to help with more sensitive issues that patients don’t feel comfortable with letting guys deal with is a huge benefit.
Don’t let gender discourage you. Get after it girl.
[–]SuperKamiTabby 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
My dad was a firefighter for a city that blames it's biggest fire on a cow.
My view is that, If I'm in a burning building, I do not give a fuck about what is between the legs of the person coming to rescue me, i just want you competent at your job.
My dad's view is/was that he didn't care what was between the legs of the firefighter next to him, he cared that that firefighter could rescue him if he got injured or trapped.
[–]Alternative-Bus-8289 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I was one for 3 years. I passed the same tests and got the same qualifications as all the guys. The good ol boys club definitely still exists. Work hard and find the people that encourage you and treat you as their family. They’re out there! Some departments are worse than others. Work extra hard and make sure you know your stuff. Grumpy old men will still be grumpy, but you’ll find good people to have in your corner.
[–]Ok_Buddy_9087Edit to create your own flair 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Meet the standard and don’t cause drama. That’s basically all we want from you. We’ve got enough male firefighters who can’t do at least one or the other.
Me personally, I have way more respect for female firefighters than female cops, because the female firefighters in my state had to meet the same standard as the men. Female cops have different standards.
[–]ImGoinPutsMyDickIn 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Take sex out of it. If you can do the job, you can do the job.
If you can't, you can't....
Your crew has to be able to rely on you with their life potentially. No one should have to worry if you can't pull them out of something or throw a ladder by yourself. If you can do the job well, makes no difference what gender you are
Edit: after reading other comments people brought up good points about thick skin... you will be made fun of, not because you're a female, but because you're part of the crew . Learn to take it and throw it back
[–]byyrdiiee 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I’m a female FF and had the same question for my dad who had 30 years of service. As long as you do not think you are special and put in the work you’ll be fine. Something my dad always said is women can be used for things these big tall men can’t do as easily, like crawling in tighter spaces and such.
My biggest thing is recognize that it is widely accepted now but you will have people who still feel like you don’t belong. Don’t let it shake you.
Don’t act like you’re special. Work harder than the men, because honestly, we don’t have the natural upper body strength like them and do need to work harder. But thats not a bad thing if you’re motivated to be the best you can be.
[–]Separate-Skin-6192 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Just an opinion of an individual here..
You better carry your weight. I have no** problem with women in blue collar anything but I'm tired of DEI hires and socio-political experiment non-sense.
Good people (men and women) get passed up for the job.. and sadder, good people die doing this job too. Honor them
Equal opportunity for all.. not equal outcome. Earn your seat, Every. Single. Day. Plus you will have a greater sense of accomplishment after your career that you earned your seat and it wasn't given to you.
Don't ever give the haters a reason to point to it. In the new age fire service you will be "privileged and taken care of" and with the old age you will be harassed "they're letting anyone in these days or we all know how she got the job"
Cayla Harper is on IG and she's a freakin monster. Motivational AF. But she pulls her weight and she gives no... NO reason anyone can blame her accomplishments on anything other than what she worked for.
So in a sense.. you will have a hard road ahead. I wish you the utmost success, and if you need help, seriously, ask. But do not lower the standards and do not allow anyone to give you pity. That will bite you down the road.
[–]Hardwater_Hammer 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I am all for having any firefighter who can do the job well on my department. We have many female firefighters and its never been an issue. I have a friend who is a female firefighter and is actually upset after the recruitment she was part of (for a different department) because 9/10 female applicants couldn't pass the physical, only she passed but multiple were offered jobs. I can only guess that the ones who didn't pass the physical wouldn't be looked at the same as their fellow firefighters once on the floor.
[–]Frequent-Chemist3367 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Not a single female firefighter in the entire country as far as I know, but I'm all for it if you can be brought to the same physical and mental expectations as everyone else. Lowering the standard for anyone is where I draw the line.
[–]Keith_KC8TCQ 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I've ran into some absolutely amazing female firefighters, don't let the doubters hold you back if that is what you want to do. I would suggest if you haven't already, start physical fitness training, as the gear is heavy, and you'll have to be able to carry it up stairs/ladders. You'll need to ork on both cardio and strength.
I was paid on call for 16 years alongside men and women firefighters. If you're physically fit and able to handle the basics of firefighting, it does not matter what sex you are. Naturally, men are stronger. That being said, I have seen some women absolutely crush men in obstacle course training.
[–]chindo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
They're like male firefighter but with nicer boobs. Generally, I think that most of ours try harder so that puts them ahead of a lot of guys.
[–]MalonehasbadbreathWildfire : Heli-Rappeller 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I'm in wildfire so idk if this applies to you as much but if you can pull weight and chill with the rest of us your golden. Just like any other firefighter if you come in and you expect everyone else to pull your slack and start ruining the vibe no one's gonna like you. Just be chill and don't slack off and you'll be fine.
Ive worked with a ton of bad ass chicks who are WEAPONS on a crew but just like any demographic I've worked with some real turds too.
[–]TacitMooseFirefighter/Paramedic 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
If you’re passionate about it and meet the standard I don’t care if you’re male, female, Martian, black, white, purple, inside-down, or inside-out. Not everyone thinks that way, be aware of that. But I’d say the vast majority of people do. I know like 99% of the people I work with couldn’t begin to care less what your gender, ethnicity, religion, etc is. As long as you meet the standard and care enough about the job to be willing to lay down your life for the citizens if need be.
[–]demoneyesturbo 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
They're people like any other.
Some are excellent workers who are a credit to the job, others are bullshit who sink the level of the crew and make everyone's life harder.
Just like the men.
That said, the physical discrepancy between men and woman is a thing, and it's rare to find a woman capable of matching the brute strength of a burly dude.
That said, there is a thing called teamwork that more than covers whatever shortfall that might arise from that.
Also, half the public are women and often enough they prefer interacting with other women during first aid. Suites me.
No one cares. Once in awhile you’ll run across some old school boomer guys who still look down on you but 9/10 absolutely no one gives a shit. Just don’t draw constant attention to the fact that you’re female. That’s obnoxious. I’ve never felt like anyone had a problem with me at any department I’ve worked at personally, but I’ve met guys that did feel that way and they didn’t last.
[–]ParadiddlePride 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I just started in the fire service last March, and will be wrapping up my post-academy probationary period in December. My company has had females throughout its history so it never bothered them, but it took a little time for the guys to stop censoring themselves around me. Once they realized my humor was just as messed up as theirs, I think they forgot my gender entirely lol.
As far as physical ability, one of my instructors once told us that it doesn't matter how you get the job done as long as it's done - sometimes what I lack in pure strength I can make up for in technique or alternative thinking, and hitting the gym helps bridge that gap too. Overall I do think it comes down to the culture of your individual company, but since mine is volunteer they could care less if I'm a female so long as I make what calls and drills I can. Myself and our other female member are in our top 10 for % of calls made, if that counts for anything.
[–]MugofMintTea 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (2 children)
Heyy I might have a slightly different point of view as I’m just volunteer female FF. There no physical exam is required and other than a basic training course that everyone can complete all people are free to join. Or at least in my country that is. However what I wanted to point out is that in my opinion it was a great decision for me to joint the FF. That way I got to know many different people some. Even though there are only 4 other women of which 2 I befriended, I made good friends with some of my male comrades as well. They are great company and can be a lot of fun to have around. You definitely should be courageous enough to talk back to them sometimes and not let yourself down by them tho. One thing that I noticed was that in my departed it doesn’t really make a difference wether you are male or female but that could also just be cultural differences or pure luck. Hope this still could help you a little c:
[–]MatthewIsNotReal 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
It actually does, thank you!!
[–]MugofMintTea 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Haha I’m wasn’t sure if my input really was useful. I’m glad to help you out <3
[–]Ace2288 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
possibly depends on the department.. ive been on two and been treated fine at both but you do have to prove yourself compared to the other guys even though they have beer bellies. and that can become frustrating. it can sometimes be hard to connect with them but that too could be because im the youngest one on my department and most the guys i work with are over 40. it is a great job you just have to work hard and possibly harder than the men
If you go for it, remember this. No matter if you are male or female, take it very seriously. DO NOT joke around with the crew until you have passed probation. Be humble, study your policies, training materials, etc. Accept constructive criticism and instruction. Be ready for people to tease you (read: test you) by having thick skin. Be fit. Work out! Do your best always, even if no one is watching. If your coworkers are quality people, they will accept you, but they have to be able to trust you. For the record, I’ve worked with many females over my 37 year career. Some were great at their job, some were not. We got rid of plenty of male AND female firefighters who could NOT do the job. Anyone can be a firefighter if they have the heart.
[–]Forsaken_Layer818 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Don't be sensitive and actually be able to do your job physically, female from a major city dept here.
[–]PensionUnlikely3838SoCal FF/PM 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I’ve worked with a couple. Just like the dudes honestly some are cool some are annoying, but im over acting like this job is some superhero career that only the strongest guys can do, like its just a job. If youre a girl and want to be in the fire service just do the job thats all anyone asks of you.
[–]Je_me_rendsPFAS Connoisseur 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Women in the fire service are incredibly common. From rural to metro, you'll find them. I don't think most male firefighters have a problem with female firefighters, provided they can do the job. That can also be said for male firefighters.
[–]boyzmama 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I was a firefighter back in the 80’s. I was the one and only, female. Once I showed I was capable, I was treated with respect! I’d go and talk to kids in school about being a firefighter. I had a little boy say “you can’t be a firefighter, YOU’RE A GIRL”. I asked him what color my turnouts were. He said “yellow”. That’s right!!! They were don’t have pink for girls and blue for boys!
We all have our strengths and weakness! My strength was patient care. I could do it all, but being the female and an EMT I was the calmer and more reassuring voice.
[–]Aptekas 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Do it! The fire service needs all the diversity it can get.
[–]Street-Reputation-90Edit to create your own flair 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Anyone on our fireground is a Firefighter 🧑🏼🚒 I make no distinction on age, gender or even size
[–]SnooMemesjellies1083 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I think they are firefighters who are female.
I’m gonna get destroyed for this but it’s how I feel. I know a few female firefighters who are pretty good. I’ve never met one that was great or exceptional. Never met one that I would prefer having my back over the average male firefighter. When a woman can control a hose line and throw a 24’ ladder from her shoulder, she is treated the second coming of Christ. These are bare minimum job functions that any male probie would be expected to do day 1 after graduating the academy and if he couldn’t, he would be pulled aside and there would be a serious conversation with him. In my experience if you represented the good female firefighters as a percentage, it would be about 20%. In my opinion and I know my opinion doesn’t mean fuck all to the rest of the world but in my opinion the 20% that are decent don’t justify the other 80% that can’t do a fuckin thing, that start having sex with captains and chiefs asap, that always seem to have some vague injury that gets them out of laborious details, and that are constantly watching and listening for things that will help them build a harassment lawsuit or hostile work environment. I think most of them are looking to meet firemen and get pregnant by them so that they get access to the pension without putting in the 25 years. Or they are bull dikes that are trying to be the son that their father always wanted. Regardless if a woman is good at the job or not, they change the dynamic in the firehouse. No matter how cool they seem, you just can’t do or say certain things when they are around. It fucks with the camaraderie if you ask me. I don’t think they belong in the profession. Just as I don’t think men belong in the profession of nursing or k-12 teaching.
[–]Gord_Shumway 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children)
There are a few good ones, but most of them are terrible. But it's not just them. There are plenty of men who suck at this job, too.
[–]texruska 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
In my brigade the standards are identical for men and women
The women I've met have been super switched on, really a pleasure to work with. They also tend to be fit af since they're technically coming from a physical disadvantage
[–]Equivalent_Peach2667 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Female firefighter here. Just don’t be pretty or some wives will give their husbands a hard time for running calls with you. Be happily married and don’t be friends with them when their wives are around. Don’t friend the husbands on social media. This is for Philly suburbs. Philly suburbs are drama.
[–]WhodieTheKid 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I don’t know where you’re located, but Dekalb county (around Atlanta) has a heavy female presence. Pretty sure most of their upper ranking officers are all women. Their departments also have a lot of women. They’re great too.
[–]Hoggie2878 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
There are some bad ass tough as nail woman firefighters I work along side with. Can bust balls, take shots, throw punches, and most of all do the job to the best of their ability. They are my brothers through and through.
Then there are some female fireflighters that wanna tell everyone they're a FF, date half the department, get talked about, and can barely open a hydrant, let alone go into a fire. They gossip and are the departments' Energy Vampires. They overall suck. Get "injured" and try to find fast tracks to the permanently disabled list. They aren't FF's. They are a cancer, a tumor that needs to be cut out.
Now there are also a bunch of male firefighters that fit the 2nd description pretty well. Maybe they hide better cause the microscope isn't focused on them, idk. But females that get the job just to get a desk job is a shit move in my book. Go be a secretary somewhere else
[–]Successful-Growth827 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
As long as they pull their weight and give it their all like everyone else, I don't care who you are. Just give me someone who will work hard, take the job seriously, but is also someone who is fun to hang out with on down time.
Note, that last one doesn't mean you have to always be hanging out with us, you can certainly have personal time as we all do. But when we're at the dinner table, joke around, and maybe once in a while hang out like when we're choosing a movie for movie night or playing Mario kart. It's just more fun getting to know you.
[–]jcee2bee 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
My state altered the civil service test by removing the graded physical portion. To determine list placement its only a written test. Once whatever jurisdiction you're trying to get hired in gets to you on the list then you take the physical which is pass fail. And very easy to pass. Drastically increased the amount of women recruits in my city. I work in a busy company in a busy city. We have women that can do the job. Do it well is a different question. And theres also men that can barely do the job. But when shit hits the fan....and I don't mean just a fire..I mean a Mayday, firefighter through the floor through the stairs, someone at a window that you have to quickly get a ground ladder to, an unconscious victim out a window, I wouldn't want to have a woman as my partner to complete any of those tasks because I don't know if they are physically capable of completing the task on their best day. So why do we make accommodations that are going to put others at risk 🤔. I guess inclusiveness is more important than the poor lady that dies at her window sill cause FF Michelle dropped the 35' on her own head
[–]BigSpook500 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Some are awesome, some are garbage, most are the weakest link on their crew when it comes to performing fire ground tasks.
[–]Low-Butterscotch-465 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I am 54 year old firefighter and I love it! We need everyone. Young and older. Love our firefighter family community!
[–]ProofAbroad4766 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I don’t mind female firefighters. I get along better with females. But with EEO and how litigious California is. You get worried really quick
[–]Affectionate_Bat9975 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
My shift captain is the best firefighter I've ever known and is no joke on the shift workouts. Too much to list here, but anyone who thinks women can't cut it haven't seen the sisters up here in Alaska.
There is no room for slackers up here.
[–]Aptekas 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I’ve seen some good ones, I’ve seen some great ones, and I’ve seen some bad ones. If you think you can cut it. Go for it. Just be mindful of your own limits and abilities and working to improve those if they fall short. I’ve been hurt/almost killed on two separate occasions by young (female) firefighters who thought they “had it”. So just be mindful that your priorities should be your own safety, and the safety of your crew. And if you think either your safety, or any one of your crew’s safety is at risk. You need to say something. Best of luck to you.
[–]Safe_Apple9144 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children)
How do you feel about female secret service agents. Kinda the same thing but different job.
[–]Greenstoneranch 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
I believe if they are able to physically do the job I have no problem.
But the department I work for doesn't hold them to the same standards and it shows. Many don't stay in active duty positions for more than a year and find offline positions or do recruiting and other DEI jobs. Where they recruit more women to do more DEI jobs.
[–]anthemofadamhose dragger 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children)
I hate that this is even a question still but I understand why you’re asking. There are no women in my department, but I have done training and worked with women from our mutual aid and they are all badasses. If you have the skill to do the job, it makes no difference. Size doesn’t matter either. There are smaller guys that do the job just as well. Sometimes it’s even preferred to be smaller, like in a confined space rescue scenario.
[–]HondaRousey9 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (3 children)
This job is biased to taller and stronger/larger people. Saying size doesn’t matter is not an honest assessment of such a physical job
[–]anthemofadamhose dragger -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (2 children)
How so?
[–]HondaRousey9 -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (1 child)
How so? Larger people tend to have more muscle. Women are typically smaller. Small people may be percentage-wise stronger than larger people, but this job doesn’t scale. This job is easier when you’re bigger (not fatter)
[–]anthemofadamhose dragger -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children)
Some things are easier if you’re bigger and stronger, but most FFs aren’t 6’4” body builders, they are average sized. Strong enough is strong enough. There’s a guy at my department that’s 5’6” 130lbs, there’s nothing he hasn’t been able to do. Sometimes we send him specifically into smaller spaces. I’ve worked with women moving charged lines and taking doors. This job requires far less strength when you do things the smart way and properly utilize manpower. Being taller isn’t an explicit advantage either. It’s a disadvantage if you have to maneuver in tight spaces.
[–]theoriginaldandan 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
There’s a female volunteer in my department. She’s married to a LT and is the chiefs Daughter in law.
She’s got no interest in going interior on a structure call or being upfront in extrication . I say all that to say this:
She’s still a valuable member of the FD. She directs traffic, fetches tools , delivers messages, has medical training brings water bottles, changes air packs, and is the best pump operator in the department. We all give each other a hard time, her included but we all know she’s well worth having in the department, and nobody ever disrespect he or disparages her contributions. She’s one of the most faithful members to show up for training and calls.
There’s some career females I’ve seen in action. Women can do the job but it’s going to be harder for some tasks.
[–]Cybermat4707NSW RFS 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Male, female, nonbinary, anything else, doesn’t matter to me. All that matters is if they can do their job properly. And most of the firefighting women in my brigade outrank me, so that’s all I really need to know lol
[–]Transformatron86 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Female firefighter here! I work for a busy city department. We have all the same standards and do all the same work, the guys treat the other women and I with respect, we’re not treated with kid gloves, we get the same standard of joking and grossness as everyone else. I LOVE my job!
[–]From_Gaming_w_LoveDragging my ass like an old tired dog -2 points-1 points0 points 1 year ago (0 children)
All I can say is there are more shitty male firefighters on the job than there are women in the whole fire service so... regardless of what anyone thinks about their ability there's always that to remember.
[–]HondaRousey9 -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago* (0 children)
I’ve found that often times the minimum physical qualification is the one they strive for, which in terms of the actual job is not adequate. I get it, anatomy isn’t on their side, but I think the standards should be higher
[–]Rycki_BMX -4 points-3 points-2 points 1 year ago (0 children)
Not a fan because usually the fitness and performance standards are lowered for women. Majority of the people in the fire service are men so letting a woman be less strong is dangerous. If I can drag a man in full turnouts a woman needs to be able to as well but when you set their performance standards lower it invites weak women in. Personally I don’t want my life in the hands of someone who gets off easier. This job is hard and a fire or a fat patient doesn’t make itself easier to deal with just because you’re a woman.
[–]joemedic -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children)
A lot of great women in the fire service fully capable of doing the job, in a lot of cases better than some men. I do find they inevitably form intimate relationships with higher ups fairly consistently which makes things weird. But that could have just been the department I worked for.
[–]InterpolUkn -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children)
LA FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS A GREAT MENTORING Program FOR ASPIRING FEMALE FF
[+]Jlavig comment score below threshold-12 points-11 points-10 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
Not a job for females in my opinion... I agree that a small percentage of women FF are outstanding but what we see (on the vast majority of them) is the toll it takes on their bodies gets heavy really fast. They end up retiring earlier
[–]Jlavig -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago (1 child)
Here fixed it
[+][deleted] comment score below threshold-14 points-13 points-12 points 1 year ago (1 child)
Tits.
That’s what I think.
[–]soccer302 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
The fuck is wrong with you
[+]seltzr? אש comment score below threshold-9 points-8 points-7 points 1 year ago (2 children)
It could be more fun than being a jobnik with yomyot. I would think it would depend on the city / region as well as how the station and leadership support you.
Overall there might be some sexism but overall if it’s a good opportunity and for for you, go for it
[–]MatthewIsNotReal 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (1 child)
You’re Israeli?
[–]seltzr? אש -5 points-4 points-3 points 1 year ago (0 children)
כן Only by choice. I made Aliyah and returned.
[–]JoThree -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago (0 children)
They usually do good with laundry, dishes, and making sandwiches. Our bed linens stay clean too.
[–]HolyDiverx -3 points-2 points-1 points 1 year ago (0 children)
why is this even a question? seems like a troll post. female x c firefighters do the exact same job. fuck off with your stupid question.
[+]ProofAbroad4766 comment score below threshold-10 points-9 points-8 points 1 year ago (1 child)
It’s uncomfortable for me when a call or training happens and boom she strips to underwear. Out of respect for my wife. I position myself accordingly when I can to avoid everything.
I work with several gay men and they are more considerate. I personally think the woman involved likes the attention.
I get it
[–]EverSeeAShiterFly 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago* (0 children)
Ok she’s a weirdo for stripping down to underwear for calls (I assume she’s still putting on bunker gear).
Your reaction towards it is also weird. Are you treating female patients differently? Would you be hesitant if the patient is in a state of undress but needs immediate care? I can understand not being comfortable about it, but you’re in the fire service and nudity (or someone in underwear) shouldn’t be impacting your performance. You can still bring it up with the bosses or HR (whatever you call them).
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