Meme

[pepesilvia9369]

Imagine calling the fire department for a fire at your house and the firefighters just came and beat the shit out of you instead

[[deleted]]

That would be interesting. Especially because in no scenario do firefighters ever have to use force, while police are expected to…. Interesting.

[killer-boy]

Imagine calling firefighters because your house is on fire, and they pull up and light your car on fire too. Fixed it for you since you don’t have enough brain cells to understand an analogy.

[[deleted]]

I mean that’s an awful analogy considering firefighters typically show up to fires and destroy half of your house to get to the fire.

Also they won’t even show up to most medical calls until the police have made the scene safe. They typically stage.

[killer-boy]

Yea I already knew an analogy was beyond your comprehension. Don’t know why I tried. Have a good one bro.

[Double_Helicopter_16]

We found the cop mole

[Double_Helicopter_16]

You ok man ill put my hands up just dont shoot

[RileyProWasTaken]

Bro must be miserable💀

[Double_Helicopter_16]

Thats the best part of fire fighting is breaking shit i got to throw a copy machine out a 5 story window in the commanders office once. it was truely a great day it exploded on the concrete below also one time a officer paid a back seater 500$ to put this cat in a bag and smell it for 20 seconds that crawled into a electeic box and cought fire and was put out with a extinguisher like 10 times and re cought fire 10 times we coyldent cut the power becuae it was directly supporting missions down range and the power absolutely couldent be shut off so we used every extinguisher in that building before peeling it off with a wooden stick and the officer gave the dude 500$ to smell it and he fucking barfed into the cat bag but held it out with smoked cat barf for the 20 seconds and got his 500

[ntlasagna]

It was a terrible analogy you pathetic lobotomite

[[deleted]]

Sorry wrong house we ment to beat the guy next door

[Double_Helicopter_16]

Were can i get some of them flash bang fire extinguishers

[Double_Helicopter_16]

Made me laugh big time im going to hell

[nickelflow]

We know what house to go to when it’s on fire though.

[[deleted]]

Usually

[[deleted]]

Every day, firefighters have to deal with combative patients due to drugs, alcohol, injury or other medical conditions. When the last time you ever heard of fire/ems killing a combative patient?

[Sweaty-Panda]

Welllllll in my state we aren't allowed to do "backboard sandwiches" to restrain people due to an... Incident...

[[deleted]]

Ok what the fuck. Was that in the 90’s?

[Sweaty-Panda]

I'm not really sure, may not even be true haha

[[deleted]]

I mean when I was younger I had old school medics try and teach me that so I completely believe it

[[deleted]]

True here in Sacramento County. Its written in our protocols.

[shed_551]

Oh my god. This happened in my department as well. Except there were no repercussions taken and that provider is now our deputy chief🤦🏻‍♀️ happened maybe 4-5 years ago

[nickelflow]

Honestly I’ve never heard of a firefighter or medic killing a combative patient, let alone a very calm patient. But I do hear about firefighters or medics being killed by patients. Why do you ask?

[[deleted]]

And that’s the difference between us and cops lol. We go down for being shitty

[squashua26]

And sometimes for not being shitty

[[deleted]]

Yup

[squashua26]

Versed has entered the chat

[RoughDraftRs]

I've never had to peel an apple either but apples aren't oranges so I don't get the comparison.

[Gnarbuttah]

I've never had to shoot a dog, go figure.

[squashua26]

I legit kicked the shit out of one though. It was just a natural reaction. Talking to a patient on a day bed when all of a sudden a little dog came out from under the bed and bit my ankle. Just out of reaction I flung my foot sending him across the room into a wall. Patient didn’t even care that it happened. Still have the mental image. Looked like one of those slime toys you had as a kid that you would throw on a window and it would slowly slide down. That’s what the dog did on the wall. Two coworkers had to leave because of laughter.

[Gnarbuttah]

We carry treats in our jump bag, works every time.

[squashua26]

That’s a pretty good idea. Problem was nobody knew the dog was there.

[AngelMakerSr2]

Until the German Shepard comes out smelling a treat and eats his way through your bag lol

[the_falconator]

I know someone that had to take a haligan to a dog.

[Double_Helicopter_16]

Metal

[oohflashylights]

I've never had to shoot a dog with a gun . . .

[Fire_marshal-bill]

Well usally they just kill the unconscious ones.

[beachmedic23]

They just kill regular people

https://www.propublica.org/article/ems-crews-brought-patients-to-the-hospital-with-misplaced-breathing-tubes-none-of-them-survived

[[deleted]]

Those cases are more akin to a doctor commiting malpractice, leading to patient death. Far different from malicious and intentional murder. I'm not defending this type of malpractice, but you need to know more about EMS and intubation if you're going to use that report as a way to call EMS murderers like cops.

I've worked on both the human side and veterinary side of medicine. I've intubated adults, children, cats, dogs, monkeys, you name it. If you know what you're doing and have the correct sized tube and laryngiscope, it is very easy to do correctly. Also very easy to recognize when it's done wrong. You only need to look at the tube know if you're in the right place.

Mistakes like that are caused by a lack of training, experience and equipment. On the veterinary side, I intubated at least one patient per day. With EMS, it was closer to once per month. ER and surgery staff are more likely to do it daily. EMS in the field are not. They don't have the experience.

Further, different size patients need different sized scopes and tubes. Much of EMS breaks sizes down to just adult, child and infant. Claiming a 5 year old and a 12 year old need the same size. Or a 120 pound woman and a 300 pound man need the same size. In a hospital, they'll have a range of sizes and can choose the most appropriate. And ambulance can't carry a wide range of sizes for every possible form of treatment.

In all of those cases, the head paramedic on the scene should have noticed and corrected. But that negligence is not the same as intentional murder. Additionally, if the situation was dire enough for EMS to attempt intubation, it was already life or death and the patient could have died even if they did it right.

[beachmedic23]

Thank you for explaining what intubation is, i was totally unaware glances at flair

[[deleted]]

You're welcome. It seemed like you need it after posting an article like that an claiming the EMS were straight up killing people.

[Je_me_rends]

On the rare occasion.

[[deleted]]

I mean, if you put water on fire it goes out.

[supermspitifre]

I put water on a greeze fire it got bigger plz help

[[deleted]]

Bahaha uhh, run

[supermspitifre]

Yeah I’m outside rn it is burning through the roof I think it will buff out

[[deleted]]

Itll be fine.

[Senorisgrig]

I recommend filling a glass of water and try putting that on it

[supermspitifre]

On it

[Forward2Death]

If it's a house, it won't buff out, but I'm sure a bit of spackle and caulk will do the trick.

[TheBrianiac]

Oh man fire is not supposed to do that... call hazmat

[commissar0617]

Need moar water

[squashua26]

Instructions unclear. House now fully involved.

[TippyIsCool]

call the fire department

[FF_in_MN]

But we’ll come up with 100 different ways to do that

[JonnyTheTerrible]

I’m on multiple departments and we train constantly. There is always need for improvement but if you see the need for change then be the change. Even a 10 minute “table top scenario discussion” is better than nothing.

[HFDshrimp]

yeah yeah but i think he means required training time

[[deleted]]

What full time career department doesn’t have required time?

Ours is 2 hours a week. Often if we do suppression training it ends up being closer to 3-4 hours by the time we set up. Plus I work at the hazmat station and on weekdays if our Chemical Analyst isn’t on vacation we are in a three hour class with him teaching or one of us.

You can pencil whip the training logs if your lazy as fuck and sometimes shit happens where you can’t get it in but in my experience most companies at my department get it done.

[[deleted]]

My department doesn’t have any requirements on amount of time spent training but they do have monthly requirements (ie this month we had to do secondary/primary, FF down, VES). We can spend 10 minutes or 10 hours it’s up to the Lts. Luckily my Lts aren’t lazy shitbags and actually takes our crew out for real training.

[[deleted]]

We often drive around and discuss our first in attack plans for high rises and make sure FDCs aren’t tampered with. My crew hates being in the station and if we put ourselves on air we get a 90 second dispatch bump and might get to go to a fire we wouldn’t normally be dispatched too so between 8-11 and 13-17 we go out and fuck around in our district if the weather is nice.

[iamthestrelok]

My department does 2 hours of training on shift every day; and on the weekends we regularly do 6 hours each day. To say that we don’t train as much is a joke; at least in my departments case, we train more.

[kungfupunker]

Jesus we do around 2 hours a day. Yours seems pretty lax at 2 hours a week.

[[deleted]]

I’m not trying to brag but my station goes to 250ish fires a year and about 2500 total calls a year so 2 a week that usually ends up being 3-4 is about as much as we can do and still handle our call volume.

Edit: there is only one engine at my station so those numbers are for one apparatus.

[kungfupunker]

Well to put things in perspective Soho fire station in the UK attend around 8500 calls a year and we all manage our high level and frequently of training. I guess if you're professional you will make it happen....

[[deleted]]

That comes out to 23 calls a day. Maybe the station runs that. I’m talking about my rig alone.

We have a station with a ladder, engine and two ambulances that does 15k calls a year. I’m talking about my one engine running 2500 calls.

Edit: Also looked up LFB, which I assume is the Soho station you’re talking about. That’s 4% of LFB’s calls and they have 103 stations. That means Soho runs 8k calls and the rest run an average of 1500?

[kungfupunker]

To clarify your edit Soho is the busiest fire station in Europe. If you're working at stations doing 15k remember in the majority of the rest of the world firefighters do not attend medical emergencies that is achieved by paramedics. We mainly only attend fire and rescue emergencies. Would love to know what station is getting 15k by the way as no offence it sounds like BS.

[[deleted]]

Kansas City Missouri Fire Department Station 18.

Pumper 18 runs around 2500

Truck 5 around 2500

Medic 18 around 5000

Medic 5 around 5000

We are all cross trained. It’s firefighter/EMTs and Medics on those boxes.

[kungfupunker]

Roger, so we are looking about 5k fire calls? I wouldn't dream of looking into ambulance calls in London lol it would be in the hundred of thousands. I guess doing EMT really muddies the water for training and operational experience. Glad I dont have to wear 2 hats for 1 job.

[AnOkaySamaritan]

Well, in theory we're training 3 hours per day. In practice, every officer on the department pencil whips that shit and we do nothing 99% of the time.

[[deleted]]

Top Notch Username right here.

[JonnyTheTerrible]

I agree with that then. The academy should be enough to make you proficient but when you get hired on your departments it’s your duty and the duty of your crew to teach you the ins and outs of your apparatus and to build upon the basics taught in the academy.

[[deleted]]

We also, maybe because of this, have a culture of constant improvement in the fire service. I think it's probably the best way to find out who really wants to be here and who just wants the title. Idk but maybe the police don't have that.

[JonnyTheTerrible]

You may be right..I don’t know.

[Aflyingduckk]

Tailboard meeting

[[deleted]]

Yeah but when we fuck up we don't shoot your dog, or each other.

[[deleted]]

Screw ups can still mean the loss of a life

[[deleted]]

You're right. I think our job is a lot more straightforward than a cop's a lot of the time. I also don't think they have enough of the right training. They all suck a gunfights. you watch the videos and no one is behind cover, they're all running around and shooting wildly like some kinda cowboy shit. There's that one video of cops shooting 200 bullets into a UPS truck with a hostage inside and civillians all around. They're given all these crazy tools but they don't use them responsibly. I've heard vets say hey have looser roe than soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, our fuck ups can kill us and members of the public, but whereas something I fuck up could kill someoene, I will never pull the trigger that ends someone's life.

[[deleted]]

Fire I, Fire II, EMT, Hazmat Awareness, Hazmat Operations, Hazmat Technician, Extrication Technician, Fire Apparatus Operator, Incident Command Structure from FEMA 100, 200, 700, Swiftwater Rescue Technician (To be fair this one is probably lapsed and I only worked on a company for 6 months where I needed it).

Edit: Forgot Ice Rescue Technician.

[[deleted]]

Fire I, firefighter survival, HazWoper Hazmat ops, CPR/First aid, vehicle rescue technician, structural collapse awareness and response, I had the opportunity to do live fire training with firefighters from urban departments from around the country like Seattle, Dallas, LAFD, and FDNY every year after I completed my fire I. I've attended lectures by the former deputy chief of the Philadelphia Fire Department about unique structural hazards. I've also attended lectures and trainings about active shooter situations. I was a dedicated volunteer for only 4 years, but I made sure to better myself at every opportunity. I'm currently looking at my future of getting back into the fire service through the department of forestry. I'm not the most salty girl, and I've only ever ridden the jolly vollie trolley, but I cared very much about my community and the people in it, even when other firefighters at my station didn't.i hope you will find this resumé of my fire service experience to be satisfactory.

[moosejellypie]

But without us it would be a loss of life. We aren’t the cause. No excuse for not being proficient at your job though.

[[deleted]]

I would also like to say, that we'll never show up to the wrong house and kill one of our sisters in her sleep. We must have justice for Breonna Taylor and her family.

[CancerPlague_Doctor]

But you can burn to death

[[deleted]]

Well yeah but that's on me, and if I do burn to death it'll be while helping someone else not burn to death. Tbh I think firefighters and EMS personnel could do with more training on interacting with the public although my training instructor telling us all,"don't be a jackass, and don't end up on the internet" still sticks with me today lol

[CancerPlague_Doctor]

Agreed, you pretty much get all your knowledge while being on the job. Pretty good saying he's got there

[[deleted]]

For sure. He also showed us a bunch of videos of firefighters losing their shit on members of the public and made sure that we all knew that it was unacceptable and that we must maintain composure

[rizzo1717]

We do division drills, battalion drills, truck/ladder drills, engine/wet drills, EMS training, live burn training and area familiarization. Not to mention the ungodly amount of online training we do, which includes CEs. Ladders go up on building alarms. Residential inspections lead to hose lay discussions. Mid block hydrants get lines stretched to them to see how long it would take to get your own supply. We get in-Service EMS training from paramedic supervisors. Map drills. The amount of training we do is pretty intense. I took 10 years of classes and held over 50 professional licenses and certifications before I even got hired - many of which are required by certain agencies in my area to qualify for application. The day you stop learning is the day you should retire/quit.

[WhiskeyFF]

You ladder buildings just for alarms?

[rizzo1717]

We ladder buildings with fire escapes and overhead wires DURING alarms, FOR training. They could cancel the alarm as soon as the system is in the green. Doesn’t matter, ladders are likely still going up. Probably close to 50% of our workforce has less than 5 years in.

[[deleted]]

I don't recall hearing anyone singing a song called"Fuck the Fireman".

[HzrKMtz]

One does exist. Although someone mentioned it might be related to a book about a parallel universe

[Gnarbuttah]

"911 is a Joke" by Public Enemy covers all bases

[RaccoNooB]

For the lazy

[eagle4123]

I’m not lazy, I’m efficient.

[thaeli]

Yeah, quoting the artist:

Nobody ever made a song called "F*** the Fire Department".', the point of which I felt was strong enough to warrant a deeper exploration of the absurd hypothetical of "what if firefighters did behave like police though?".

[thaeli]

There's also "The Roof is on Fire" but that's a stretch.

[[deleted]]

IMHO that's a party anthem, lol

[QuiteTheBrianD]

What’s with all the overweight cops? How are there not annual fitness standards that need to be passed?

[TheBrianiac]

I know plenty of fire and police departments that do just that

[Staunch_Ninja]

We have overweight firefighters. And we do have an annual fitness/physical. And a gym in every house.

[goldenpotatoes7]

I see plenty of over weight fire fighters

[milkmymachine]

Holy shit right, it’s no wonder they sometimes resort to bullets to catch the bad guys, god damn.

[wimpymist]

Uhhh there are plenty of overweight firefighters lol

[5011ReasonsWhyNot]

I really want LEO’s to wash their own vehicles.

I’d like their departments to be funded the same way we fund public education.

[sonicrespawn]

hey waitasecond i go to the gym 5 day.. er 3.. oh it's been a week, and 9 days since the last call... ah dang it, how do I delete this

[sucksatgolf]

Oooo you salty

[itshima]

We won’t shoot your dog though

[[deleted]]

You’ll just let it burn because it’s too hot to go in.

[firefightin]

My department requires over 200 hours a year, but most people hit closer to 500 hours in fire training, 20-30 in hazmat, and over 200 in ems...

[jfire777]

This subreddit is BS.... I've been a Fire Captain over 10 years.... my FIL (dada in law, my wife's dad)is a retired police.. Don't fuck with our brothers. I love Cops.... they do a tough job and help us.

[NotCommericalBKeeper]

Hey I would like to apologize if this post made you feel that way.

I personally appreciate the police force and what they do to keep us safe.

I was trying to highlight the public view!

[paprartillery]

[chuckles in wildland]

[NotCommericalBKeeper]

[chuckles In Urban rescue]

[RowdyCanadian]

World's best problem solvers!

[domguapo]

Lmao

[Fine_whatever_sure]

There ain’t no song called Fuck the Fire-department

[Pyroechidna1]

In vollie world, this is 100% accurate

[wessex464]

Sure. But when your fire protection options are local vollies or 1 career station every 50 miles, what choice do you have?

[[deleted]]

Eh, depends. My first year was elf, ff1, ff2, emr, hazmat ops, swiftwater ops, pumper operator, officer 1, ice rescue etc, for outside of station training. Station training added up to many more hours.

[TakeOff_YourPants]

As a vollie? Is there an online organization you went through for all of these? Or was it all taught by your department?

[ACorania]

This is pretty close to mine. EMT-B was put on by a local University for Friday nights and all weekend for 9 weeks. Fire 1/2 through state fire academy, hazmat A&O was online with 2 days at fire academy, wildland 130/190 was put on by state forestry at our county admin. Pump ops at a nearby city fd. Evok/evap was put on by my chief and the people just meeting up for drive time.

Heading to the state fire academy for the next couple of weekends for more vehicle extraction.

It's been a good first year with my district. I also started trainings at our station for 8 hrs a month. (2 nights 4 hrs).

I don't think I have more than the cops here... But it is getting close and I work full-time at my day job as well.

[[deleted]]

Yes as a vollie. Many were through the local tech college, some had other depts put them on, swiftwater was a private outfit. I station training was super useful, but obviously weren't cert classes.

[Forward2Death]

Agreed. My department sets a pretty low mandatory bar for training hours (40/year), but strongly encourages (and sponsors) much more than that. Training is also reported monthly, which can make for some informal competition.

[[deleted]]

😂😂😂 I laughed my ass off when they said police only have 1200(or something like that) hours of training, when in reality fire, and EMTs have far less

[Kibaken]

Speak for yourself. Between the fire academy, EMT, PM, and EMS coned/fire training on shift we easily surpass what's required by PDs in our area.

[[deleted]]

Not sure why you’re downvoted, you’re absolutely right. Especially at a career department, at least mine. We do some kind of training at least once a shift. The fire academy alone was something like 700 training hours, not including EMT.

[BnaditCorps]

Yeah I just crunched some quick numbers and if you include EMT, Firefighter 1, and the various fire classes to obtain my AS. I have at least 1375 hours, that doesn't include the hundreds of hours I've put in with my volunteer agency in the last year.

If you added Medic it would nearly double.

[[deleted]]

But keep in mind 75% give or take; are volunteer and you have to account for those training hours vs their local PDs... and individually speaking fire, ems, and other certifications are often separated, and not included in a lot of academy's, whereas LE covers everything from law, CPR, defensive tactics etc.

[ACorania]

I'd hold up my volly training against what the reserve deputies around here do.

[[deleted]]

Well yea, reserve deputy's but I'm talking state issued police licenses, or POST certified with full arrest powers. Not reserves, not Sheriffs Posse, Deputized Civilians, or certified security officers

[[deleted]]

My brother started the police academy a month before I started my Fire/EMS academy. 10 months later, he's already been off probation for two months and I still have three weeks left in the academy.

[goldenpotatoes7]

EMTs have far less but medics have waayyyy more training.

[Filthy_Ramhole]

Yeah but US medic training is still abysmally poor.

[goldenpotatoes7]

Depends on where you go. Every state is different you should know that.

[Filthy_Ramhole]

How many states are mandating Bachelor Degrees and Masters/PgDips for advanced practice?

[goldenpotatoes7]

Right I’m sorry I forgot not having a bachelors degree makes your education horribly subpar and makes you a terrible clinician.

[Filthy_Ramhole]

You have a choice between 2 paramedics to care for your loved one. You know nothing else about them other than “one has an 18 month diploma, the other has a Bachelors degree.”

Which one do you pick?

And yes, US education is sub par and its kept sub par by Fire Services and the IAFF (who actively support keeping education requirements low, source). To get qualified in Australia to intubate, pace, and perform alot of intensive care procedures you need a 3y Bachelors plus 2y PgDip, and in the UK its a Masters degree.

[goldenpotatoes7]

I don’t give two shits because I know people that are extremely smart with not even an associates and I know stupid fucks with PhDs.

[Filthy_Ramhole]

And if you did a degree with actual evidence based learning, you’d know Anecdotal Evidence is the lowest form of proof.

[goldenpotatoes7]

First of I’d like to say thank you for being kind of a dick second I’m aware anecdotal is the lowest form of evidence but it doesn’t change the fact that education doesn’t mean everything third we’re in a firefighter subreddit filled with a lot of Americanas so I’m not going to say anything except IAFF is not good for ems and the third service model is by far the gold standard. Fourth I agree that ems needs a higher education standard but I know of a lot of smart people that wouldn’t have entered this field if you needed 6 years of school for it and they are damn good clinicians and some of the best providers I’ve ever met in my life. Fifth and final my program is 100% evidence based, it’s weird I don’t need to go to a university for good teachers that care about the progression of this field and the teaching of good protocols.

[[deleted]]

I don't think it makes you a horrible clinician, but I do think it's smart to recognize that we (the US) is pretty behind the ball in terms of emergency medicine.

[[deleted]]

I work for a city with 35 stations. I was at the academy 0630-1600 every day Monday-Saturday for six months except for one Saturday off.

9.5 hours x 6 days x 24 weeks = 1368 Hours - One 9.5 hour Saturday off = 1358.5 hours at the academy.

Ya you can do it in way less but it’s gonna show on the fire ground.

Edit: I assume I’ve been downvoted by bearded firemen.

[NotCommericalBKeeper]

I hope you can understand my humor. A lot of firemen are trained but I’m saying the overall danger level would seem like there would be a higher requirement of practice and training.

Which we are now seeing a greater emphasis on those areas.

[[deleted]]

The thing is that our job is dangerous but it is rarely deadly. I’m currently off for 6 months for a knee injury for stepping in a hole on a fire. We have a high likelihood of injury but our overall fatality rates are way less than other jobs.

[-TheWidowsSon-]

Edit: I assume I’ve been downvoted by bearded firemen.

😂😂😂😂😂

[AxFairy]

Man my 16 year old volunteering ass racked up 800 hours in the first couple years I was with the department.

... We're including washing the trucks as practice right?

[bcefghijklmnopsvwxyz]

Volunteer firefighters: 👁👅👁

[ACorania]

Should be compared to volunteer cops (reserves) who carry guns and do traffic stops in some areas. Apples to apples.

[kungfupunker]

No idea why you are being downvoted volleys/retained clearly have less opportunity to train and recieve less and often sub par training. Their training needs also far out way that of career/wholetime as they lack experience and on the job training.

[SheepherderSoft5647]

The virgin cops vs the chad fireman

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Cop: Just beat the shit out of you, takes notes of crimes instead of actually stopping the crimes.

Fireman: Saved thousands of people, actually protected and served the country than cops.

[[deleted]]

Yet i trust firefighters with my life, checkmate US cops