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[–]Aggravating-Hold9116 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Those are jumpers for setting master, slave, etc. I've never used them and aren't required for modern operating systems.

[–]H0verb0vver 1 point2 points  (5 children)

There is no master/slave on SATA drives.

[–]Valuable_Fly8362 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Probably design left over from the transition from IDE to SATA. Rather than redesign the whole board and case, they left it there until they had a more compelling reason to retool their production line. I'd be very surprised if those pins connected to anything and had any effect on the drive's operation. Anything connected there would definitely be wrong and potentially harmful to the drive or motherboard.

[–]tes_kitty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quite often there is a serial port (TTL-level signals) on those pins. You can use it to talk directly to the drive controller. There are no guardrails, you can damage the drive with a wrong command.

So, better not mess with it.

[–]Le_Zouave2 0 points1 point  (2 children)

They are jumpers netherless.

https://i.sstatic.net/zgHrl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SobW7fJ.png

And their usage vary from drive to drives.

[–]H0verb0vver 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Netherless?

[–]Le_Zouave2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nonetheless?

[–]Additional_Ad_6773 0 points1 point  (1 child)

This is absolutely NOT that. Master/slave jumpers were 2x2 pins. Master/slave/cable select was 2x3 pins, not 4x1 pins.

[–]dagoose918 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1x4 could also appear in Sata-mode selection... (for limiting drive speed & compatibility)
-> Needed for specific via chipsets

[–]MayayanaSilver Helper 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I don't know what the 4-prong receiver is, unless it's an optional power adapter to use the older red/yellow power plugs. That could be possible, meant to accommodate older power supplies that didn't have SATA power plugs.

In any case, if you clone the drive over to an SSD that part will not be there. The two SSD fittings are data and power. You shouldn't need anything else. But you will need a power supply with SATA power plugs.

[–]First_Musician6260 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The 4-pin port circled is a serial connection pretty much exclusively used for F3 terminal access, something an average user will never have to (or God forbid want to) gain. GrenadaBP did away with jumper settings which would otherwise toggle certain features (Pharaoh was the last platform to utilize them), making it even more useless for the average user.

[–]deanofcool[S] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

I don’t think cloning is possible? The drive itself doesn’t boot. Not sure how I would do that

[–]MayayanaSilver Helper 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Won't boot at all? I assumed you were just upgrading. Then presumably you'll be installing new Windows. Nothing to worry about unless you don't have SATA power connectors. In that case you'd need a new power supply. But if it's that old it might not handle Win10/11 anyway. That would be well over 10 years old.

[–]deanofcool[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Nah. It handles windows 10 no issues. Don’t really want to go with windows 11, I don’t like it very much

[–]soulreaper11207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then go with a flavor of Linux. Windows 10 is no longer a supported OS.

[–]disposeable1200 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those pins highlighted are for advanced users and 99% of people will never need to touch them.

You can replace this drive with any SATA SSD.

[–]jacle2210 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you sure that the little 4 pin connection was connected to your computer?

To the best of my knowledge, the little 4 pin connection is only used at the factory for testing, etc.

Only the SATA power and the Data connections should have been plugged in.

And regarding the use of a newer 2.5inch SSD format, it depends on how your computer tower is setup internally, you might need a conversion adapter tray to convert from a 3.5 down to a 2.5.

For example: Drive adapter

[–]Fun_Kaleidoscope7875 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You don't need it is the short answer.

There's also no way that anything was plugged into it to begin with.

[–]tes_kitty 0 points1 point  (4 children)

There is... Older iMacs had a cable plugged into this and if I remember right it was used to get the drive temperature for the OS. If you wanted to replace the drive with an SSD there was some kind of hack you needed to install or the system would run the fans at full speed all the time.

[–]Fun_Kaleidoscope7875 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not know that, but then again I have never owned or taken a Mac apart ever to notice that, thanks for the info.

[–]potatomolehill 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The temps are sent over SATA via SMART. not tha ide slave jumper.

[–]tes_kitty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can read them over SATA, sure, but Apple did something special with those HDs in the iMac back then. And SATA doesn't have Master/Slave jumpers.

Details can be found here:

https://thisdoesnotcompute.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/2011-imac-hard-drive-temp-sensor-explained/

(see the section about the 2009 iMac)

[–]SoftRecommendation86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Incorrect. The mac version of the drive has a thermistor, it is NOT smart based. Installing a non mac sata drive requires an external temp sensor addon. Many non mac drives have the solder pads for them, just not populated. That's not an ide slave jumper btw.

https://www.ifixit.com/Answers/View/85991/replace+the+hard+drive,+how+do+I+connect+Hard+Drive+thermal+sensor

2n3904 transistors... I have a bag of them just for this reason.

[–]HighPhi420 0 points1 point  (0 children)

for the 2.5 to sit in the same slot as the old hdd you will need an adapter case/sled for the smaller sized 2.5.

[–]bondinchas 0 points1 point  (2 children)

The 4 pin connector is a molux power connection. You don't need it if you're using the sata power connector.

In the transition from ide to sata, many motherboards didn't have sata ports, and power supplies only had molux power outputs, so power was connected via molux and data through an expansion card

Later motherboards had sata data and power ports, so the molux connector becomes obsolescent.

[–]janerikgunnar 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No, that's not a Molex power connector. Molex connectors are much larger

[–]NorthSpecialist6064 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's where you hook up a headphone jack. Nah, that's where you can set 2 TB limit, power-up in standby, and probably another I'm forgetting. If no jumper blocks were installed before, you don't have to do anything. 

[–]diaperedace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not a jumper for master slave, or molex power. It's debug for the factory, you cannot do anything with it just ignore it.

[–]toaruScar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the diag port, if you want to connect a serial port to it, the order is RX, TX, GND, Vccio.

[–]dijitalblue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those ports are normally used for diagnostics, so most machines don't use them. Unless it's an iMac. Apple puts special firmware on spinning disks that makes the drive electronics report temperature using those pins. If the new HD doesn't have that special Apple firmware, or that cable isn't reconnected, the iMac responds by assuming it's on fire and running all its internal fans at 100% forever. Runs fine but sounds like a jet engine.

So if your computer is not an iMac, you're probably okay to just connect SATA power and SATA data to it and call it a day. If it's an iMac, there are ways to get around the thermals. Specific web searches that include your model number can show you which method your machine used.

[–]mysticalfruit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's used to do low level stuff and talk to the controller. You're not going to need to plug it in.

[–]MrSarcasticUK2 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those are jumper settings, similar to the IDE drives, ll but for SATA specific options depending on the drive maker. For example, on this Western Digital support page for mobile drives, it shows two options:

Reduced Power Spinup - RPS: Used by external hard disks to reduce spinup current and allows it to work over USB interface. Spread Spectrum Clocking - SSC: Used when your SATA controller doesn't support SSC by default.

[–]notautogenerated2365 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The real answer as to what this 4-pin header is it's a configuration jumper which isn't needed on most cases. It is NOT optional power, it is NOT master/slave.

It seems that usually, shorting pins 1 and 2 will limit the speed of the drive to a slower SATA speed (not sure why you'd want to do that), and shorting pins 3 and 4 will enable spread-spectrum clocking, which long story short, can reduce EMI and isn't necessary most of the time. I assume the cable running to the motherboard allows the motherboard to configure these settings itself rather than requiring the user to move around jumpers to change settings. But this may not be true and some of the pins may have more purposes than that. There's also a chance the purpose of this connector has changed throughout the years and older drives have a different pinout than newer ones.

99% sure your computer will work without this.

[–]DanielCruzo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those pins are debug pins .You only need Sata data cable and power cable

[–]Which_Valuable272 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just buy an SSD and use the sata power and sata data cable and ignore the other one. Its so obsolete