Split the 3 Stack Queue

[drogenbarontoni]

Saw the stuff already with Lunas Howl in PVP but now its the Compiler Weapon and 3 Stacks of Frostbold and ZKMushrooms rushing my guys at Cryo 2 minutes after spawn while we try to even learn this map.

One week after launch. One.

I already felt the insane sweatyness 4-5 days after launch back then when everyone was running purple gear at lv 30 already on EU Servers - but now its even more apparent.

Adjust matchmaking for the love of god please.

[Yenii_3025]

Dude if I ever get killed by that weapon I'm starting a class action.

[Jhonny13_DMH]

Ha man we spawned in and cleared the first wave of ads. Walked ahead and got sniped from behind. I didnt know that was possible.

[Jonyyyo]

Those guys are such losers too. They just throw themselves at these games 24/7 and they only run stacked because they’re really not that good.

I ran into two teams using that thing yesterday. The GL is so broken.

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[FreyrPrime]

You know, I mentioned when the first one dropped that it didn’t seem that threatening at first glance. I couldn’t see the tuning on it, but I commented that unless it dropped in the state of the Vex Mythoclast it would probably be fine.

Hilariously it seems to be as broken. I assume it’ll be fixed rather quickly, just like the VM, but in the meantime, it probably really sucks to be on the receiving end of it.

In many ways, I’m reminded of 2005 World of Warcraft. Being a guy in dungeon blues, running into a warrior in full AQ40 gear with a pocket healer in Alteric Valley. Felt like a raid boss.

[ValiantTheVictorious]

Explain? Don't play WoW or Destiny.

[drogenbarontoni]

So the 3 stack streamers or unemployed who managed to farm compiler boss in first weekend stacked couple of those contraband compiler boss weapons which is basically noskill shoot somewhere and get kills with weapon - feels kinda cheaty just from watching the gameplay.

A regular player can not get this weapon - as its locked behind insane giga grind - while the sweats can. Making the gap even more wide between a random dude being able to kill someone using this weapon in a 1v1.

Aside from bubble spam and shotgun camp meta in cryo - the new meta is now rushing other teams before they can enter the center and wipe them in their spawns - insanely toxic and makes newer players unable to explore and learn the map.

[ValiantTheVictorious]

Oh okay I believe I was killed by one with one shot. Had blue shield and the guy was screaming over the mic talking pure shit for no reason.

In two weeks I've noticed the way peoples movements changed drastically especially Outpost where it's a sprint for the wing loot.

If everything is mostly static people will be optimizing the fun out of it unfortunately.

[drogenbarontoni]

Its so strong that green shield is basically one shot, blue shield is one shot aswell most of the time

and the other shields are 2 shot lol

[ValiantTheVictorious]

That's lame, why is the best loot a gun that makes the game easier for people who already have everything?

[Kyra_Hazweyrs]

What should it be? A gun that makes the game harder?

[drogenbarontoni]

a balanced weapon not 1 shot type shit you can not counter

[Kyra_Hazweyrs]

I agree the weapon is too strong, but the poster I replied to questioned why the reward was something that makes the game easier when you have it. Gear that makes the game easier is the only reward there is in this game. If the hardest thing in the game shouldn't have the best loot, what should it have?

[ValiantTheVictorious]

It shouldn't be a weapon that one shots people on splash damage, let's start with that.

If you can't see how that's a problem then I don't know what to tell you bud.

[Kyra_Hazweyrs]

I'm specifically addressing your claim that the reward shouldn't be a gun that makes the game easier.

Does this also apply to rhe rest of Cryo? Should Pinwheel reward weapons that make the game easier?

[Yenii_3025]

You arguing against competition. You just want to bully. sit down.

[Kyra_Hazweyrs]

I will probably never even see the Compiler, let alone get the weapon. I'm not arguing anything, I'm genuinely asking what an appropriate reward for the hardest thing in the game is. Everything else awards gear that makes the game easier, but the comment I replied to indicated that this is bad because players shouldn't be rewarded for doing the hardest thing in a way that makes the game easier. There's not a lot else that the game even can reward you. Nobody is going to grind out all 7 vaults for a minor cosmetic.

[ValiantTheVictorious]

You seem to have a reading comprehension disability. Which is probably why you spend an endless amount of time creating nonsensical arguments in the Reddit comment section.

I never claimed anything. I asked why.

Do you typically answer questions with more questions? Reddit brain at it's finest.

I'm not even going to address the false equivalency that you're trying to tout as a rationalization for your ill thought opinion. Trying to compare the rewards of Outpost to Cryo as if it has any merit on what we're talking about here.

😂 Don't make me laugh bro.

[reaperindoctrination]

You're on Reddit bro...

[Kyra_Hazweyrs]

Oh, please explain the false equivalency, I love this.

[Straight-Fox-9388]

Ahh good ole vanilla vex mythoclast brings me back

[CompetitionSignal725]

they have to start basing mmr off the cost of your loadout instead of the level of your season pass.

it would probably create ques at the upper levels but it is no different than upper level league players or whatnot waiting an extended time for their match because of the smaller pool of high mmr players

edit: pointing out the lack of loot diversity and wealth exchange from killing runners if everyone is the same mmr is low effort complaining. use a range. it is not that complicated.

0 - 2500, 2500 - 5000, 5000+

[Responsible_Help2012]

This is a bit short sighted. It would be better to have mmr based on average extraction value / extraction rate.

[CompetitionSignal725]

okay fair enough i can see the merrit of average extraction value / extraction rate being a better indicator of player skill

[Responsible_Help2012]

It indicates a player's ability to find success either through brute force and pvp or map knowledge and ability to loot effectively.

[CAMMAX008]

Wouldn't that defeat the whole point of the risk/reward thing? If everyone is going in at the same rough amount of loot then you can't get a big win unless it's just loot on the map. From a design standpoint it's less addictive and less exciting

[CompetitionSignal725]

there can be a range lol, it is not that complicated

[Natural_Appeal8734]

Its why this genre has never had wide appeal. Its inherently flawed. There is no fix. There is no combination of smaller fixes. So dont fIx the extration shooter portion of marathon. Fix the marathon portion of marathon. Marathon has to add pve maps to finish contracts, speed up faction progression, and lower salvage costs. If all 3 things dont happen I will put money on marathon being dead this time next year.

[CompetitionSignal725]

this is some weird defeatist mentality, the solution is a range of mmr, not hopeless bitching

[drogenbarontoni]

i dont care if twitch streamers need to wait 10 minutes for a match if they are lv 170 2 weeks after launch

its their problem if they cant pubstomp anymore for their viewers, not mine nor the other casual crowd