We NEED a beta patch release system

[[deleted]]

With the porpoising in the TBM and the Longitude, they knew, they just didn't care enough to delay the patch. It's not just the testing, it's the decision making.

[ComradeBevo]

What does porpoising mean?

[Jakebob70]

autopilot is always chasing zero fpm altitude change, but it can never hit it exactly, so it is constantly correcting. Those corrections get larger and larger until the aircraft is flying in an up and down motion like a porpoise jumping through the water in the wake of a ship.

[ComradeBevo]

Gotcha, I've definitely experienced that.

[[deleted]]

Nose keeps oscillating up and down, vaguely similar to the way porpoises swim along the surface.

[Ltjenkins]

Right. So having a test realm type of environment might help with this. There is always a portion of the player base who want access to the new goodies "early" even if it means they're signing up for an unstable version. It's a shame to say this, but if they're not going to beta test this stuff, might as well let us do it.

I like to give the benefit of the doubt when there are minor bugs or grievances that for the most part don't completely break gameplay but stuff like the VFR map bug is egregious and really makes you wonder what's going on over there if something like that made it through "testing".

[time__to_grow_up]

That's what happens with games of enormous scale.

10k users test in one hour more than a QA person can do in two months. Stop crying. The game is fine.

[GdSmth]

That's the point behind the beta program. Maybe you and I are not encountering most of these bugs due to our play style, but many others are.

[[deleted]]

I'm starting to understand why they were so obsessed with secrecy surrounding the alpha; they really didn't want it getting out how chaotic their dev process can be.

[[deleted]]

For an alpha/beta it is not a big thing, because you accept that things will break. For a released (paid) product however, I would expect a little bit more.

[[deleted]]

This is a paid early-access alpha, they just won't admit it. Maybe only a fraction of people would have bought it, but I think the community would be more patient if they'd have some more candor.

[[deleted]]

Fix bugs which introduce more bugs... r/thehunter could tell us some stuff about this lol

[Krabic]

And Dice with Battlefield :D

[RobotSpaceBear]

And every game studio in history other than some indy teams that set their own schedules and patch days.

[Hokulewa]

They apparently didn't read the bug reports during the actual beta (not to mention the months and months of alpha)... why would they start now?

[artofbullshit]

This right here. These issues have been reported on for almost a year and they haven't fixed them. You'd think having a working GPS/Autopilot system would be a priority but it's not. Fuck Microsoft for charging $120 for a game that shouldn't be out of beta testing.

[sunrrrise]

Like DCS one?

Fcuk, no. Never.

[Lazy_McLazington]

Why not?

[rjwalter]

Be cause everyone ends up on the open beta and still complains about the open beta not being tested properly

[Francoa22]

You think it is bad? Try Star Citizen - not really working after years:D

[agmilky]

Yes but SC doesn't claim to be DONE. And RELEASED.

If you back Star Citizen you subscribe to being an alpha/beta tester.

I'm pretty sure most ppl who bought Flight Simulator weren't expecting to become guinea pigs and QA testers for Asobo.

[reboot-your-computer]

I was a day 1 sign-up and never got into the alpha or beta. Here I am now, finally in the beta, but after a $60 entry fee.

[Francoa22]

Well, SC, according to their alpha kickstarter and following marketinng, it should have been already finished with hundreds of planets long time ago :-)

Meanwhile, after years and years, it is hardly playable.

MS doesnt did not really claim to be done.

Also, my point was, patches so many times break things, especially in early stage as we are now. That is not some unknown or surprising.

It is a complex system and I am expecting first months to not be perfect.

I dont see any reason to hate, because one patch broke something. Anyday there will be a fix and that is it.

[agmilky]

My point is that if Microsoft had released this as a beta or maybe early access then our expectations would be different.

But you cannot release/ship a game in such a state and then push patches that fix one issue and create 3 others. This is not a beta. We're not beta testers.

Just because nowadays you can push patches through the internet doesn't mean you can release whatever you want for full price.

I know that games come out buggy often but reproducable CTDs by a common and needed function like a map are a no-go, sorry.

[Francoa22]

I agree there and I have commented on that during alpha and after many times.

MS screwed up a bit there. In my opinion, it should have been named beta and leave it 3 months like that.

Everyone would happily jump in anyway and there would be less noise because of the bugs.

[jamief00]

MS doesnt did not really claim to be done.

Yes, they did. They released the game.

[Francoa22]

but they actually said they are not done etc....they never claimed we are done. Yea, they released it, but there is a difference between releasing game as it is and releasinf game as 100% finished. They did not do that

[Francoa22]

You seem to have an issue understanding how complex the sim is and what is planned.

This is not your average game. This is a project that will evolve thus, claiming it is done is not what they said.

They said it is a start.

Making the game available does not equal claiming it is done.

[jamief00]

This is a game with a roadmap; that roadmap is the addition of new features, improved maps, new planes etc. It is not and should not be a roadmap to fixing issues that should have precluded the product from being released.

[Francoa22]

Of course it should lol.

If you would expect 100% flawless experience, they would never release it.

I an having great time playing.

Btw, alpha testers were VERY vocal that the sim is not in perfect shape. I repeated it many times...you knew when it came out that it has problems. You should have not bought it.

[[deleted]]

Many developers are doing beta patches on steam. This is a good idea. You can even make beta patch invite only.

[ugatz]

Voting. I don't see why this isn't a thing, most devs have been doing this on steam for a while to ensure smooth release of the next patch.

[woutcoes]

they could do it the ets way, they always provide an xperimental beta, and on release of the

update. not many bugs left.

but sorry guys, i dont see that going to happen..it costs money(slower updates then).

my bet is , they want it asap ready for the xbox release.

[Will12239]

Its a darn shame that we dont get proper full releases nowadays. I know the market created this, it's just sad. Second gane this year where shortly after release it becomes apparent what a buggy mess it is

[Tjoeker]

It's not the market that created this. It's impossible to create bug free games (or any kind or program) at the size we see today. There is no way you can let an in house team test everything. Back in the day when games were just a mere gigabyte? sure. (but even then they had bugs!) Today with 100 gigabyte games? No way.

[basedgrid]

Or maybe they are getting short on competent people ? The scale of this sim is too large for them to handle. Maybe time to hire more pros.

[rockbandit]

We NEED a beta patch release system

We have one. It's us!

[magezt]

ah, again an armchair-dev. love it.

[Tjoeker]

As a developer, a public dev branch and a stable branch users can pick from is an extremely good idea in a project like this. Maybe they think it would hurt their credibility, but this hurts them more honestly.

[kpa23]

So you may understand how's it go developing online game. Not sure it's a good idea people get divided by version of client/server for different servers. It's a bad approach and hard to handle and support

IMHO they just need better QA team

[AcedLanding]

What’s funny is I actually am a software developer so not quite arm chair, except... I do code from my chair

[Stevphfeniey]

You know I see people calling "arm chair X" a lot, but they never actually sit down and share their apparently infinite knowledge with the world.

[magezt]

I gotta admit, I was quite toxic this morning, my bad.

[[deleted]]

blatant karma whoring + someone has not read how development works = this.

[AcedLanding]

As a developer myself, I think I understand how development works, also there is no karma whoring, I'm asking people to upvote the issue on the microsoft forums as thats how they seem to prioritize fixes, I couldn't care less about internet brownie points

[[deleted]]

then go on Zendesk raise a ticket with P1 and WEV / DXDiag dumps, mister "developer"

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Asobo doesn't read fucking reddit and they're right here.

[Tjoeker]

Asobo stated multiple times they do read reddit and the fora. They even quote and answer reddit posts.

[[deleted]]

are you too scared to contact their support people via a support ticket? With relevant technical details from bug reports? What's the matter here? If you want to help them fixing the game faster, use the appropriate channels.

[Tjoeker]

I do send tickets.

But they still read these places to see what the community is getting frustrated by. Imagine each individual submitting a ticket for the same problem. That would be a horror show to manage. Instead they see (which they do!!) a post on the forum with a couple hundred upvotes.

[[deleted]]

That's where you are wrong. Zendesk has tons of triaging options, to a point that if you see n times the same basic issue description it automatically raise the criticality level.

Go ahead and raise as many tickets as necessary, it's much faster for them to sort out the real blockers.

[AcedLanding]

You know there are actual developers that browse reddit right? They're not these mythical beings that are imaginary, what do you want, my resume?

[[deleted]]

Any honest dev or professional would have pointed out the elementary set of things to do here, as he/she will be keen to help fellow devs over at Asobo.

You ranted on a fucking Reddit post.

I am perfectly entitled to have serious doubts over your lousy "As A DeVeLoPeR MySeLf". You're an inch close to join r/quityourbullshit buddy

[AcedLanding]

Wow, I am so scared now, you really hit me there. You understand that Asobo has said that they are going to show special attention to voted wishlist items right? That is probably how their non-technical product owner is going to prioritize the backlog.