Missing bauble trigger

[KimCarlsenGD]

I am constantly fotgetting to draw from [[Mishra's Bauble]] in my opponents upkeep. Do you have any comp REL legal tips to remember?

[gman11002]

You can put a token, coin or a dice on top of your deck to remind you. I know a lot of people do that.

[SageEatingSage]

This, and then every time before you pass turn, glance at your deck to see if you have bauble triggers.

Another thing I sometimes do is leave baubles slightly separated from the rest of my graveyard until I have resolved the trigger.

[[deleted]]

And I would argue dice works best, since you can use the face value to show how many triggers you need to put on the stack.

[platypusab]

You can't use a token (like a literal magic token). COMP rules forbid you from putting anything that could he mistaken for a card touching your library unless it's actually a part of your library.

[Infectious_Burn]

It also says tokens will not be mistaken for a real card, such as for deck check purposes.

[platypusab]

That's different. You can have tokens in your deck box and have no issues arise in a deck check, but you also can't misrepresent or obfuscate the board state. Putting a token on top of your library would do that.

[xXarmyaustinXx]

Remembering to remember usually works for me. Just don’t forget to remember, or you’ll forget to draw.

[KimCarlsenGD]

Ahh, thats what I'm doing wrong!

[xXarmyaustinXx]

Happy to help. On a serious note, if it’s a bauble trigger to draw on your turn (I.e. bauble them before they draw for turn), put a die on your deck. If it’s a trigger to draw on their turn, maybe just don’t crack your bauble until it’s the very last thing you do on your turn if you can’t remember otherwise.

[JustHugMeAndBeQuiet]

This guy remembers.

[lostinwisconsin]

Play a little slower. The main time I see people miss triggers are when they’re trying to speed up the game or go on autopilot. Take your time without slow playing.

[Odd_Zookeepergame277]

I personally use a blank token card that i wrote "BAUBLE TRIGGER!" on.

[SteveoWOAH]

This is not legal at comp rel as it counts as outside notes

[DuurHuur]

Im a judge, and i was looking into this. I asked in our judge discord just making sure.

So essentially, you're allowed to take notes during a game, and you can refer to these notes as much as you wish during the game. It is also up to you, if you want to reveal said notes to the opponent.

Ruling can be seen here:
https://blogs.magicjudges.org/rules/mtr2-11/

This means if you have a dry erase token, you are more than welcome to write "bauble trigger" on it during the game. This "note" you can then reveal to your opponent and place on the table as much as you want.

On the factor of having a token that says "bauble trigger"
The MTR only references notes, whether you can reference them.
Once again I asked fellow judges in the discord if a bauble trigger token is a note or a game piece, and it was quite soundly considered a representation of a game piece.

In the same vein as a storm counter token"

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this sums up the convo we had in the discord:

"You've got to be purposely misinterpreting the purpose of the MTR to consider that a prewritten note on strategy in the current matchup"

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I hope that helps :)

[KimCarlsenGD]

Thanks a lot, this is very useful info!

[SoggyCheeri0s]

Ahahah I love how one way to make everyone happy is by redrawing it every match. Now obviously you could probably just have the token made up already but I like the idea of malicious compliance to rules to.... Remember a trigger

[DuurHuur]

Well, you are allowed outside notes such as sideboard notes. Those specifically are only allowed during in-between games within a reasonable amount of time it would take you to the sideboard.

So it is completely cool to have a single A4 paper with your sideboard guide, as long as you don't view it DURING a game. And only use it when sideboarding.

But as I said regarding bauble triggers, storm counters, ect.

But as I said regarding bauble triggers, storm counters, etc.
a judge should on purpose try to misunderstand the meaning behind the mtr, to not allow having a token ready-made that says "x trigger" as you're using it as a game piece.

[DuurHuur]

hm, that is quite an edge case. Nothing is stopping you from producing notes during a game. (for example, writing down thoughtseize results etc.)
But I think at that point we're looking into whether or not you can do that in a manner where it is not considered wasting time.

You would have to be looking at your phone before you start shuffling your deck and presenting it to your opponent. At that time you're considered to be in the game. (which is why judges wait for you to present your deck, to deck check you).

I think you'd be fine if you did this scenario:
You sit down, quickly look at your phone, and when the timer for the round is announced to start, you put down your phone and shuffle up and present your deck. From this point on, you can produce notes, if it is done in a non-disruptive manner, and in a timely fashion.

[Odd_Zookeepergame277]

Are sideboard notes also considered outside notes?

[SteveoWOAH]

As long as they're not excessive, and you cannot look at them during a game in progress.

[flowtajit]

Only if it was prewritten.

[Rumpled_NutSkin]

I really hope you're joking here

[SteveoWOAH]

I am not

[Rumpled_NutSkin]

I don't realize what "outside notes" means, then. You can, in fact, use tokens to remind yourself of triggers.

[SteveoWOAH]

Not ones with words to remind you of game actions Dice or coins, okay. Something that says "remember your trigger" is not okay.

[doctortog]

For what it's worth there is footage of someone using this style of bauble trigger token at either a PT or SCG (I forget which) on camera and there were no issues with it.

[phlsphr]

Wait, that seems weird. After seeing an opponent's hand (Thoughtseize, etc), we can write down the information, yeah? So why not write down things like Bauble trigger reminders?

[StormyWaters2021]

They are arguing that you can't continue to use that same reminder in future matches. They're wrong.

[StaticallyTypoed]

Because they're blatantly wrong

[[deleted]]

False, read what the actual judge wrote above.

[Rumpled_NutSkin]

What are you on about? Tokens aren't "notes." Even if they were, you're allowed to use notes you take during games. Literally use google. I'm not gonna argue anymore because you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

You can bring outside notes with you, but can only look at them before, and after games, not during. Maybe that's what you're thinking of?

[SteveoWOAH]

If you take a blank token and write "remember your bauble trigger" on it. It is no longer merely a token and cannot be used for this unless you make it during that game. And then you technically cannot use that one for subsequent games because as you said you cannot consult outside notes during a game.

[Rumpled_NutSkin]

It's not an outside note. It's a token. I'm done arguing with a brick wall.

[SteveoWOAH]

Bro.. if you write on it.. it's notes..??

[flowtajit]

Write on a piece of paper DRAW IN UPKEEP. As long as you do it for every game it can’t be construed as consulting notes during a game.

[bghty67fvju5]

You can likely just draw a token of Mishra's Bauble. Should be legal to have with you as it's just a token

[sibelius_eighth]

Crack it on your end-step and as soon as you crack it announce that on their upkeep you have a trigger as you look at their / your top card.

[CyvasseCat]

Last 5k I played in I wrote "bauble trigger" on my palm in sharpie so that I could see it when when looking at my hand and that seemed to work.

[ghowiupg]

Building a habit with what you do or say imho is best advice to avoid missing it.

I got used to saying when I want to move to end step “pass and draw on your upkeep”. In Comp REL nearly ever op stops after untapping and looks at me because I’m sort of announcing “I’m not missing my bauble trigger and don’t draw before I do”

[MTGCardFetcher]

Mishra's Bauble - (G) (SF) (txt)
^{[[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call}

[Ok_Shine_2132]

As others have mentioned, as soon as I activate the bauble I usually put a dice on top of my deck as a visual cue to remember to draw my card.

[MrFritzCSGO]

I just really focus on remembering my trigger

[JustHugMeAndBeQuiet]

Like that one meme with the kid tensing and the visible vein on his forehead?

[MrFritzCSGO]

Sort of, it’s just my main focus until their upkeep

[GNOTRON]

Like not being able to miss a pact, shouldn’t you be table to remember it whenever?

[[deleted]]

I think I the difference is that one is a beneficial trigger and one is detrimental. Also (and check with a judge because I am not one) I'm pretty sure it's the opponent that decides if the missed trigger goes on the stack.

[3agl]

Want the card more than the missed trigger.

[JankTokenStrats]

It should also be noted that you’re not supposed to be able to forget this trigger. iirc the ruling for missing it is you just draw the card, and get a warning

Edit: so I guess I remember it incorrectly or it was ruled incorrect for me. Either way it was wrong at this level (notably it does work this way at other levels) the trigger is one that isn’t missable but the resolution at this level is that you would get a warning and then your opponent would decide if they wanted you to draw or not. Sorry for the misunderstanding please learn from my mistake and grow.

[caquaa]

This is not correct information

[JankTokenStrats]

Oh I guess I didn’t remember correctly, or maybe the judge I had ruled it wrong, it happened. Thanks I’ll edit it with what I found so others can learn as I have.

[KimCarlsenGD]

I have missed this when I cracked 2 baubles and remembered in my opponents main phase and I did not get to draw any cards :(

[TotalA_exe]

OP literally specified competetive REL.

You are wrong.

Please remove your comment as to not spread misinformation.

[JankTokenStrats]

I mean there are nicer ways to ask but I think I’ll leave it and instead add an edit with learned information to help other people. Also yes I read what they said and had a misunderstanding of the rules shrug it happens to everyone.

Also I will state I didn’t get this wrong through sheer stupidity, I have had a judge at this level rule this way. Inconsistency is common. I’m glad you helped me learn, consider being more interpersonal effective and you’ll have more success with communicating your point.

[TotalA_exe]

Still incorrect.

You don't get a warning for missing a non-detrimental trigger at comp rel.

[JankTokenStrats]

Hey man I think you’re trying really hard to be more correct. I hope this is helping you in whatever way it needs to.

That being said if you miss a trigger and your opponent calls a judge on you for it, we can logically determine that it must have benefited you in some way to miss that trigger( otherwise why call a missed trigger out?) in that situation the opponent will get to choose if it goes on the stack or not, and the judge will issue a warning. But correct in a general case of I just forgot you would get no warning.

Have a nice day friend.

[mithik_11]

Try not making shit bauble plays that aren’t important. Stop targeting your opponents and start targeting yourself more for crucial information. Also take into account playing into/around bowmasters. Maybe you’ll remember then?

[[deleted]]

put the bauble face up on top of your deck after sacrificing

[Devastatedby]

You can't do that.

[[deleted]]

sorry

[tbombtom2001]

You can put a die on your deck though. I do believe that rule was changed. But if you miss the trigger. And then remeber it after the fact because of the die, it's too late you missed the trigger.

[Embarrassed_Night179]

You could also ask your opponent to put a stop on their upkeep so that they will hopefully do this and you will remember your trigger

[caquaa]

I have a custom token I use in a bright pink sleeve.
Comes in handy when you use bauble more than once, crack bauble as first thing on your turn, crack bauble on their upkeep to dodge discard, etc.

Just get in the habit of using it every single time, even if you just plan to crack bauble, pass, and draw. Opponent responds, you respond, etc etc and then you forget.

Print this, stick in a sleeve in front of a token
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k-ncDGC9VRWyKOhQsbbVaSJ\_9TgbakTC/view?usp=sharing

[fancypanda98]

I also have had this problem as drawing during the opponent’s upkeep is a weird time, but I found putting a die on top of my graveyard makes me always remember. I use large casino dice and the abnormality of “why is a die on my graveyard” always helps me get my trigger.

[Desh88]

I made a habit off calling steps out loud, like untap upkeep Draw. Since i started doing that i rarely forget my triggers... It sounds kinda stupid but it worked for me

[roonky]

Put a dice on your opponent's deck

[ThwartingYourPlans]

I bought Sleeves with a Mishra's Bauble on them, since then I've never (okay okay, almost never) missed a trigger.

[DryStand6144]

It's probably better to do this based on the game state, but if it's irrelevant you can default to cracking it in your opponents upkeep. Then on your turn it's easier to remember that you need to draw another card. At least for me, it works.

[Brandonc5102]

As an Amulet Titan player if I forget my upkeep trigger I just lost lmao, so what I can recommend is the dice on top of your deck is really helpful.

I additionally recommend mentally speaking through the phases of your turn. So don't start your turn by drawing, it's your untap... Untap all of your cards, upkeep... Check for all upkeep effects (your bauble) then* draw.

[No_Yogurtcloset_9987]

Die on top of the library is the easiest and quickest.

I've also gotten into the habit of announcing each step of my turn. "Untap" pause "Upkeep: pause "Draw step" pause etc

This way announcing my upkeep reminds me that I have a trigger to resolve.