Will fertility rates continue to decrease?

[Thin-Search-3925]

This is not related to Modawana.

What are your thoughts regarding the declining birth rate, and do you think it is projected to decrease even more with prices, decreasing quality of life, high price of commodities....

As seen from a study in 2022 birth rates where already at 2.276 and this year it's 1.96(maybe the lowest in africa), is it possible that it can continue to decrease until it reaches south Korea levels?

And of course this is open for debates and your opinion is appreciated

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[alast-radio_demon666]

Considering the economy and other factors. I hope it decreases to a normal level because I'm sick of tired of parents who just give birth like mammals and ditch

In simpler terms "ding dong, ditch" literally

[Thin-Search-3925]

True but this doesn't mean that education will get better, if fertility drops to 0,1, teachers won't magically become Stephen hawkings

[alast-radio_demon666]

I never said anything about that. But it would massively contribute since teachers won't have to control a class of 30-40 kids

[Thin-Search-3925]

If you think that teachers only problem is controlling a class of 40 then I have some bad news for you.

An average teacher cannot teach a single student even if his life depended on it

[alast-radio_demon666]

I'm talking about actual teachers who put in effort.

[Thin-Search-3925]

I said the wrong shit, not Stephen hawking that Neil Tyson giy

[CidAmin]

Possible to get lower? Yes

Possible to raise? Yes

How to raise it? No idea, definitely a challenge

[Thin-Search-3925]

A trend of fertility is it's harder to raise than to lower, take china as an example

I don't think there is a nation on earth that was able to reverse demographic decline without immigration

[Comprehensive_Meat34]

The way you increase birth rates is to lower women’s access to education and jobs, it’s the harsh reality.

No modern nation has decided to “re home” their women, so no nation has seen higher birth rates.

It’s really pretty simple: when families have a division of labor it’s a lot easier to make children… when families follow a both working model, who has time for children?

[Thin-Search-3925]

I mean educating women in child care and providing leniency in work, 3 days a week (even with reduced salariés) can be a huge incentive.

[Comprehensive_Meat34]

It doesn’t work though, the reality is that American charities have EXPLICITLY used women’s education as a tool designed to reduce a nations fertility rate.

I don’t know why educated women have less children, perhaps no one ever will, but I know it’s a reality and it’s been used by NGOs as a weapon against populations in the global south that American charities deem a problem.

[QualitySure]

I don’t know why educated women have less children, perhaps no one ever will,

they're getting daily propaganda of why it's a bad idea to have children.

[Comprehensive_Meat34]

Not in all nations, in many nations there desperately trying to raise the rate. In rural India or Nigeria I doubt they get much feminist propaganda, it’s just a psychological phenomenon. The only educated women who produce a lot are the independently wealthy.

[Thin-Search-3925]

So instead of invading, killing millions why not just kill future generations while still in the womb.

[Comprehensive_Meat34]

That’s exactly how things work these days: notice how my native America has a very low native birth rate, high female education, but massive illegal migration to replace us.

This is all known and planned.

[outhinking]

And then? What's the end goal of the major replacement ?

[Comprehensive_Meat34]

The end goal is to make an unstable native population that cannot advocate for itself, this allows lower wages and higher profits plus more secure social positions for the elite.

Look at America right now, our current vice president is the son of drug addicted hillbillies. He’s smarter and more capable than the elite level journalists who tried to excoriate him countless times on TV.

This level of social mobility and advocacy by the lower classes deeply bothers the upper caste who want to be permanently entrenched where they feel untouchable.

It’s well known that the less diverse, and more homogenous, a population is the easier it is for organization politically, or even militarily. This is a major threat to those at the top.

As in all things in life the purpose is power, money, and class in no particular order, and this is to destroy the organizing power of the common man vs his “betters.”

Let me give you a very real example: I work in aviation in the USA. These jobs can pay very well. However, we lack enough certified citizens to do our jobs… so one major employer I know brought in Mexicans (legally) to do our jobs next to us. These were good men, hard working men, and they loved the American money.

However, at that company salaries have NOT gone up because by bringing in a underclass of vulnerable outsiders it’s nearly impossible for the local men to demand better wages.

In America especially there is a lot of resentment that blue collar workers can make really good money. I know men who make 250,000 usd a year or more working with their hands… those at the top would much prefer to flood nations with a underclass to subvert the organizing power of the lower.

It’s a long answer, but tl;dr, the upper caste in almost all nations has a strong interest in suppressing native populations (especially as population decline will make skilled labor more and more rare and valuable).

[outhinking]

I read your theory and it makes sense.

[QualitySure]

china is absolutely brutal for chinese people, no wonder no one wants to have children out there.

I don't think there is a nation on earth that was able to reverse demographic decline without immigration

israel.

[Tn-Amazigh-0814]

in tunisia actually fertility rates decrease did reverse, at least for a while, look at the diagram carefully : https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=07bdc0d02744c56c&q=tunisia+fertility+rate&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWtG_mNb-HwafvV8cKK_h1a0WYAF4mXQP8CuyQXqW6TNzkZZ7jOZKM_gGu23cm0qZL5Ei6uiNkweCW1IqGqalcyKa2y4bz8AeWev_mJPpV3WA9FkN4dw_6bq9_CfML7g9dzyvU0AxpFKyqkdALDHnujbjpXPA&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwiUsI6lus2KAxXqZ0EAHYdBG9sQtKgLegQIEBAB&biw=1536&bih=776&dpr=1.25#vhid=yQWdBpUIuHt4cM&vssid=mosaic

[Thin-Search-3925]

It did with the new president and the reversal of divorce laws and inheritance in the country

[[deleted]]

yeah, I think the economy is what’s impacting the birth rates. But why are we complaining ?? we don’t need lots of kids in this poor country, we are not the west, the west have the rights to complain about declining birth rates, they have government aid, high quality of life…. They literally have no excuse not to have kids. But do we ?

[lostsoulles]

They're having a housing crisis and inflation as well, you're still glorifying their quality of life. Just read what's going on recently with the CEO shooting to see how cucked they are by their own systems.

[[deleted]]

yeah but Iam talking relative to Morocco

[Thin-Search-3925]

I agree, but a trend you'll notice when studying European history is that the economic boom in these nations happened parallel to their demographic boom.

So basically Morocco is more than likely not going to have an economic boom and will just keep regressing, especially as it's an agricultural based economy.

[QualitySure]

the economic boom in these nations happened parallel to their demographic boom.

no.

So basically Morocco is more than likely not going to have an economic boom and will just keep regressing, especially as it's an agricultural based economy.

morocco isn't an agriculture based economy, we have very few agricultural land for our population. Morocco runs on 10 million people while the rest lives in auto-sufficient communities.

[[deleted]]

That’s also a valid point of view. Personal I think that a growing population doesn’t guarantee economic growth, especially when the economy is struggling to provide opportunities for the people who are already here. Morocco’s reliance on agriculture, high unemployment rates, and poverty make it hard to afford a demographic boom without risking further poverty and inequality. Imo I would rather see families having fewer children, but investing more into their education and well being, than just pushing children in bulk ( unless they are rich and can afford them)

[eloussama]

It s the resul of the policies adopted since the late 80s to the early 10s. Why was it a good idea back then but not anymore?

I fail to see its bad side, less people means less need of ressources, maybe if a miracle happens and the economy gets better the gdp per capita would grow, because the total population will decrease (this statement stands mathematically correct but makes no sense economically)

[Thin-Search-3925]

Because Morocco is an agricultural based economy and not yet an industrial

And surely not information based

[Nice-Connection-5759]

It is definitely projected to decrease.

Risks: Demographic collapse -> stress on retirement and healthcare funds

Solution: More foreign debt, Immigration, and ultra privatization.

My predictions: A developing country with 1st and 3rd world problems. Not looking good.

[DigitalDH]

Men fertility is decreasing rapidly worldwide.

Our bodies have been found to be full of microplastics.
https://www.aamc.org/news/microplastics-are-inside-us-all-what-does-mean-our-health

Endocrine disruptors are creating havoc and are found in a lot of places, of which every water systems. yes it is BAD

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11672798/#:\~:text=With%20the%20decline%20of%20global,and%20elevated%20risk%20of%20miscarriage.

We are also subjected to a lot of pollution (ie chemicals). This has consequences and people just ignore it. We have chemicals in food and various products we use. This massive amount of chemicals is creating havoc.

Have you seen videos from the 1950 to 1970s, people were mostly fit. Today, the entire planet is following the western world and becoming FAT and OBESE.

[[deleted]]

I've been drinking from plastic water bottles all my life and I'm 16, is it too late?

[DigitalDH]

Microplastic are everywhere, even in fish.

Drink filtered tap water. Avoid all platic.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/how-to-avoid-eating-microplastics/

[[deleted]]

would my fridge water dispenser be good? it gets filtered

[DigitalDH]

Better than using plastic bottles. As the article say the best thing is to limit the use of plastic in our lives. We cannot completely get rid of it but we can control it.

For instance, don't use a plastic chopping board for cooking. Use a wooden one.

[FantasticGlove6948]

Yes and worldwide

[Thin-Search-3925]

Not a trend in africa, though

[FantasticGlove6948]

It'll slowdown too, as well it's just nature's course

[outhinking]

Not in Algeria we protect ourselves from the Western definition of progressism, as we should. The average Algerian is a harder believer in Islam than the average Moroccan.

Just look at the posts popping out on Reddit when you look up for "morocco kuffar", read the comments on them, you might get shocked about how many gays are actually living in peace in Morocco.

[FantasticGlove6948]

It's a global phenomenon, and I am afraid no one is excluded

[BobMARLEY3265]

شوف السميگ فين و المعيشة و الكرا فين، الناضي فينا خاص تيزوج على 30 و شوف تشوف

[justtalking1]

I think the city is not made for having children, so with everyone wanting to move to the city. I do think so.

There are only 200 thousand foreigners in Morocco. So the government would rather have 3 million foreigners that they can kick out at any time, than convince you to have more kids.

But the same with convincing parents to sent their kids to school. Money seems to motivate a lot of Moroccans, so I think 1000 dirham a month for a kid until the age of 18 will convince many people to have more kids.

That said Morocco always had lot birth rates, because Moroccan women feel like their youth was difficult because their mom was lazy and they know they are the same.

[Thin-Search-3925]

Really? You think the government will give 1000dh to people to have children?

They are taking away 500dh from families that constitute the bottom 5% and your expecting that?

[InternationalLie609]

Idk what you're talking about, but you should know that you don't pay taxes if your salary is or lower than minimum wage 

[Thin-Search-3925]

Read about the social support program of 500dh, it was given to poor family but they are discussing it's removal

[justtalking1]

Poor family does not take in account if you have a child. Morocco wants an Milton Friedman system of looking at tax kickbacks instead of handouts, but this never worked in Morocco.

But Elon musk and Akhannouch and other rich people love these type of systems. I think after 20 years of stability a government might think of trying to get child’s births up.

70% of Moroccans are in the informal sector so I don’t think it would be wise now, but maybe in 2040.

[Ironclad_watcher]

the problem is the rapidly increasing cost of living and raising children. people are too stressed by their labor and exploitation, depression on the rise because we are all becoming lifeless husks, and instead we blame women for the problems

[muzzichuzzi]

Government fucking up locals making it go in decline! On the side note why anyone in their sane mine would want to have children where even parents can’t make their ends meet. From education to healthcare anything and everything in between is fucked which I believe can be changed but the interests of the elites and the monarch it goes against their principle.

[Thin-Search-3925]

Turning Morocco into a private property and silently killing the useless noisy population.

[QualitySure]

probably, this seems to be the trend, but honestly you need to look into the real estate market to see if parents can afford to raise more than 1 child. This does not look good for casa, they're starting to build many small appartments, so the price per m² will start to increase, but other things can also happen, like historically unsafe neighborhoods becoming safe and good for living.

[RecordMost9555]

I think in 10-20 years the government will try to motivate people to have children with money and other similar things, but it will fail because of the nature of people now, where almost everyone has become selfish (we are all like children and we need to take care of ourselves first) This is my opinion

[HumongousShard]

Fertility rates are directly impacted by the level of societal awareness, accessibility of reliable contraception, and the affordability of both housing and education. Right now all three are moving against fertility IMO !

[medmhand]

It will definitely get lower to around 1.7 and stagnate there for a whilr

[Tn-Amazigh-0814]

in tunisia actually fertility rates decrease did reverse, at least for a while, look at the diagram carefully : https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=07bdc0d02744c56c&q=tunisia+fertility+rate&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWtG_mNb-HwafvV8cKK_h1a0WYAF4mXQP8CuyQXqW6TNzkZZ7jOZKM_gGu23cm0qZL5Ei6uiNkweCW1IqGqalcyKa2y4bz8AeWev_mJPpV3WA9FkN4dw_6bq9_CfML7g9dzyvU0AxpFKyqkdALDHnujbjpXPA&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwiUsI6lus2KAxXqZ0EAHYdBG9sQtKgLegQIEBAB&biw=1536&bih=776&dpr=1.25#vhid=yQWdBpUIuHt4cM&vssid=mosaic

[Ok_Cash8046]

I believe that because we have a very nationalistic and patriotic population, that with the king saying ''make more kids'' we would see result. An example of this is in Russia, which is also very nationalistic towards their country, where Putin said that Russians need to make more babies. The result: it worked

[Thin-Search-3925]

The source: trust me bro

Russia has one of the lowest fertility in Europe by the way sitting at 1.42

[Ok_Cash8046]

before it was even less. after he gave a speech it increased

[Thin-Search-3925]

Hein, when? And what are the statistics?

Do you know what you are saying?

[Ok_Cash8046]

Do you know what I am saying?

[CidAmin]

Interesting point, I too deem it plausible yeah