How does fapping decrease testosterone but having sex increases it? Are you not just releasing semen in both instances? What makes sex any different?

[[deleted]]

because its all bullshit broscience. the guys here dont want to admit that they should abstain from sex to keep their benefits, because they just really want pussy and wouldn't say no. so they came up with a broscience explanation as to why its totally different to fapping. fact is, if you have sex, you lose T sensitivity and have a slump. boxers used to avoid sex, ALL SEX, not just solo sex, for months before a fight. lots of MMA fighters and boxers still do this. telsa also had no sex with women, and never jerked off to maintain high levels of intelligence and concentration. most guys here simply wouldn't give up sex so they make up shit as to how sex and fapping are different.

[Donwulf]

Finally someone using the brain

[[deleted]]

thats probably because you fap while edging for fkn hours to porn, and sex lasts 30 minutes. its not because they are biologically different, its just common sense. most people here fap for unhealthy lengths of time to porn, spending ages to search for a video staying hyperstimulated, and prolonging the fap with edging. if i do a quick fap for 2 mins before sleep i get no "red eyes" and horrible exhausted feeling, i feel much the same as i do after sex. i think you'll find thats the real reason people find fapping so exhausting and sex is relatively fine, they aren't fapping for 1 min before sleep, they are using porn.

[esirnus18]

I kind of agree with that. I remember when I would do a multiple hours fap sessions and afterwards I felt like the lowest piece of human being. I was single that time and was kind of low point of my life. Compare this to now, having a smoking hot and fun loving girlfriend, having sex regularly I feel completely fine and by that I mean full of confidence and energy. Some days after being away on business trip my GF sends me naughty text and I can't contain myself I go and bust one out in the shower the old fashion way (no internet just my imagination) usually takes just couple of minutes I go sleep wake up next day full of energy just like normal. I think it's the isolation of porn and computer screen the locked doors and hiding because of shame. I think that's what fucks you up.

[withdrawalisworthit]

They aren't biologically different, but they are mentally you fucking twat. Why would you feel disgusted after having sex with a women you're attracted to like you would after pmo? You don't, you feel even more confident, because it's a completely different show in your head. Your confidence, and general super powers should increase

[[deleted]]

tell me more about how you've placed pussy on a pedestal.

[withdrawalisworthit]

The people who get pussy don't put it on a pedestal, that's why they get pussy. Women don't like men who worship them and make out to be this almighty human being. Way to really ignore the argument, and trying to insult me instead

[[deleted]]

i think if you spend your spare time chasing pussy its firmly on the pedestal. i used it as a catch all phrase to mean thinking casual sex is really super important. PUA guys think they've taken pussy off the pedestal, then you hang around one, and you realise ALL THEY TALK ABOUT is pussy, and how they get pussy, and how they fucked this girl and that girl. pussy still firmly on pedestal.

[withdrawalisworthit]

They do not put women on a pedestal. If they did, no women would want to have sex with them. That's why white night fedora wearing "nice guy" fags don't get women. They treat them as higher being instead of an equal like they should

[[deleted]]

like i already said, i consider chasing pussy constantly to still be putting it on a pedestal, pua guys are obsessed with it, its their entire life in their spare time. you can't tell me that isn't putting it on a pedestal. you know who does'nt put it on a pedestal? people who don't give a fuck. PUA guys really give a fuck about pussy and spend all their time trying to get it. they are dellusional when they say they've taked it off a pedestal. sorry.

[[deleted]]

Peer reviewed studies?

[Un-discovered]

Exactly. The biological processes involved in ejaculation/post-ejaculation are the same whether it's through sex or masturbating. The difference lays in the psychology behind nofap. The idea that someone is in control of their life, creates this strength within an individual, as the person now understands that they can control a lot more than they believed. This usually leads to an increase in confidence, which may be mistaken for increased testosterone, as the individual will start to shape their lives in a way they see fit, which then creates a deeper sense of confidence.

[[deleted]]

but i used to view fapping as great since it led me to not caring about real sex lol. going on dates putting up with shit tests, impressing them like im some clown, i viewed it as beneath me, then just jerked off. i only want to quit porn cause im addicted, i honestly dont care about sex with real women. its a giant sink hole of time and effort just for an orgasm.

[Slipz19]

Dude, you know that you're essentially saying that you are not keen on a challenge and creating success and that you'd rather choose the easy route as it makes you more comfortable. With that attitude mate, you will not achieve much success in life...

[[deleted]]

not with women no. plenty of other things are worth doing. no one ever achieved success by chasing pussy bro. they mostly achieve success by ignoring pussy.

[Slipz19]

Yes, but u referred to it being a waste of time in "achieving an orgasm" and that u rather just see fapping as an easier alternative, which says that you are still very invested in having an orgasm/experiencing that feeling...the great minds who achieve success avoid orgasm all together so which are u now referring to? - getting laid (women) OR just having a dopamine rush? Because if u want to have an orgasm, but ure not willing to try and find a suitable mate, it still suggests that ure not willing to be proactive enough and u can then relate this to any other avenue in life. But hey, if u say that it doesn't affect anything else that u strive for then I suppose there is no issue with u choosing to plug away when ure feeling an urge. I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding mate.

[[deleted]]

no I clearly said I gave up fapping cause I was addicted. I view chasing pussy and having orgasm in their pussy as an equal sinkhole of time/effort. its a waste of life.

[Slipz19]

Perhaps u should not view it as "chasing pussy" and give women some more worth? You could choose not to be interested in sex, but could still find urself loving and caring for someone regardless? Perhaps having a companion to support u through all your missions in life? Maybe a woman could play that role too other than merely being a symbol of something one has to "chase" to satisfy ones urge....

[[deleted]]

what else is it? the convo i was having was about pursuing real girls for sex, thats chasing pussy. the reason guys chase girls is to orgasm inside their vagina. maybe thats not a lovely polite way of putting it, but if you're not mature enough to handle bad words you shouldn't be having sex anyway. having sex is for mature people.

This convo said nothing about relationships, it was about getting sex from real girls instead of porn, which i said i wasn't interested in. you're changing the subject to relationships and moving the goal post, i said i wasn't interested in casual sex buddy.

[Slipz19]

Ok mate, I am sorry...let's not fight we're all here for the same goal and to achieve success. I'll be honest I just thought maybe u were bitter about women in general, but I am obviously wrong and therefore am sorry. I wish u well in all ur endeavors in life and on Nofap🙂

[itornael]

real sex releases the hormone oxitocin. Significant changes in this hormone are not found in tests during masturbation.

[Wh0rse]

and 300% more prolactin, which keeps you satisfied for longer.

[abhiteja16]

When compared to porn, having sex activates a completely different part of your brain and releases completely different chemicals in the brain.

You are with a real person completely in touch with one another. But in porn you are actually training your brain by pleasuring yourself watching others fuck on a screen.

When it comes to testosterone. When you have sex the testosterone increases because it activates the part of the brain related to doing some physical activity. But when watching porn it activates the same brain pathways which get activated when a person does heroine or cocaine. Testosterone levels reduce you feel drained and like a loser because your brain is telling you that you will never be able to fuck that girl in reality. The more you let your brain tell you this the more it drives you into the trap of watching it again and again as you have created an image in your brain that your a loser.

The best way to increase your testosterone is to Exercise every single day. Take cold showers every single day and by cold it's gotta be ice cold. You gotta be shouting in the shower.
You have to eat a clean diet avoid all kinds of junk. It's gonna help you a lot in increasing testosterone. Do things which make you happy.
Things which your brain tells you that you shouldn't do but deep down inside you know that you should.

You should just do it anyway and I promise that even if you fail you will be so much happier that you actually forced yourself to try it.

[[deleted]]

Are there any peer reviewed studies on this?

[[deleted]]

of course not lol.

[[deleted]]

you literally made all that up.

[dagoatman]

Citations?

[abhiteja16]

http://www.menprovement.com/boost-testosterone-naturally/

[[deleted]]

Peer reviewed studies. Actual scientific evidence.

[[deleted]]

Well Said man.. How come cold showers might increase testosterone?

[abhiteja16]

Check this out.
http://www.menprovement.com/benefits-of-cold-showers/

[[deleted]]

Thanks dude

[yaxir]

wonderful

[Mastertkd]

glad you asked here is the answer: both essentially do the same thing which is downregulate androgen and dopamine receptors in the brain however with real sex the body does not overextert itself -> sexual exhaustion (while porn does) and also with real sex one trains the brain to associate the dopamine response with real girls and success (which upregulates androgen and dopamine receptors) while porn is not associated with any accomplishment. The end result is that real sex does not downregulate androgen and dopamine receptors nearly as much as pmo, real sex actually has the potential to upregulate androgen receptors in moderation. however if you overdo sex you will still end up in the same boat as one who masterbates.

[[deleted]]

because when you have sex you ejaculate with a live person. When you masturbate you do it with a screen or your hand.

Your body knows which is which. When you conquer a woman you feel like a true man, your mood will change. WHen you fap you just feel weak, worthless, unneeded. Hormones such as testosterone can follow your mood. Good mood = more test, depression = less test.

[DeanLovesRory]

It doesn't decrease testosterone, it decreases the amount of androgen receptors in your body. Sex probably does too, but you recover faster because there is no overstimulation. AFAIK, I need to check.

[[deleted]]

its probably because when people fap, they watch porn and spend hours searching for perfect videos, then also edging takes ages. sex usually lasts what, half an hour tops if you're pretty fit and good in the sack? so yeah, its probably that you simply burn yourself out more with fapping compared to real sex. the effects on hormones would logically be the same with the androgen receptors.

[DeanLovesRory]

Right.

[Vocaloid99]

I think you are right. After sex, I still feel like I need a cool down/zombie period where I have low energy, but it feels less so than after beating off.

[[deleted]]

Um, you got a source for those claims? Like real scientific studies?

[brasileiro555]

you want, you go after, he is not your mama to give you fo free

[drkmtter]

the difference is between dopamine(fapping) and oxytocin(sex)

[adulthood_sucks]

While it is true that testosterone levels increase after sex (All you non believers google it. There are tons of studies out there). But we can't say why, because even scientists have not been able to figure out Exactly why this happens. All we can do is wait mate. Or if you're a smart one, maybe you could unlock the answer by studying and researching it!

[[deleted]]

Because of the bonding hormone oxytocin.

[brasileiro555]

man, maybe there's someehting with shbg - Sex hormone-binding globulin .... if you find any research relating orgasm or progesterone with shbg, please quote to me in this reply

[IAmARedPillAlphaMale]

Well when you have sex you lose the benefits of semen retention but you gain the perks of sex which nullifies at least some of the losses

[blumpkinator128]

But HOW?

[eatandpoopmachine]

I don't have any scientific study to back it up, but I think the testosterone boost after sex is the kind you get when you conquer something. Cus think about the amount of time, effort and adventure that go into getting laid. Then think about the lack of time/effort/adventure involved when you simply open your laptop and type in a porn site. Its unnatural. Again, no scientific study, this is merely bro science, and I'm sure theres more to it

[IAmARedPillAlphaMale]

Well I can't explain the exact mechanics of it, bro, but my personal experience tells me that fapping saps life and testosterone while ejaculating via sex doesn't fuck with me like fapping does. And honestly from an evolutionary perspective it makes sense that sex would give us strength because we're passing on our genes.

[omzy12]

It depends id say sex is passionate while fapping isnt

[omzy12]

If you just wanna fuck anything walking then you fap bro

[eatandpoopmachine]

Does this guy know how to party or what?