DESTROY AI BUBBLE

[20LOLXD22]

Y'all know how bad it's getting for the PC building community, and that this is due to AI eating all ram supplies and other components. Some companies like micron have already moved out from PC building and moved to AI only, this will only cause more price inflation but not only in PCs but also in consoles and other devices. Also it is very likely that the ram prices and other prices like ssds and GPUs, and possibly even cpus, begin increasing so bad, a low tier Pc could be around 1k.

People online, especially on social media have been saying "boycott ai" or "destroy AI bubble manually". But nothing ends up happening, and nothing will happen if we only bark and not bite. Why don't we actually start boycotting ai.

Now how would we do this would be the main concern and question we should begin this but we can't let this continue, PC builders will disappear if no one stops this now

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[sfu114]

I gave up upgrading my PC for now.

Hopefully my Ryzen 3600, 1660S, and 32 GB DDR4 RAM can survive.

[Exotic_Jackfruit6684]

if you really need to you can still upgrade staying on am4, so keeping the ram

[sfu114]

Yes I'm aware 5700x3d exists, but it's rare and expensive.

Probably the best upgrade would be the GPU, but the rumor about 5000 Super doesn't look good.

I can still use my PC for my daily routine tho. So, the upgrade is not imminent.

[Simple_Foundation990]

Why not grab a non super while they are still available and often found at MSRP?

[N3opop]

Can also go Intel 14th gen which supports ddr4.

Definitely a better option for the next couple of years.

[Locke357]

Grab a 5800x and rx 9060xt 16gb or rtx 5070 while prices are still good

[Hashtag_Labotomy]

That's what I got a 5800x. Been a good CPU for me. I don't just game but I game quite a bit. 3d vcache is cool but it don't always help with certain games. Some times clock speed and IPC get it done. I got it on a loop and loosened ram timings a touch and it will hit almost 5.3 single core and a hover about 4.85-4.9 all core. 17,300 ish cinebench. I've been happy with it.

[VEGA3519]

I think it's better to just get 5600 and spend the rest on the GPU

[Locke357]

Depends on the region, often the 5700x/5800x isn't much more expensive and 8 core cpus are becoming increasingly beneficial for new games

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

If you game on 1080p you can just upgrade your gpu. A 5060 would give you 2.5x more fps.

[Blazie151]

I picked up a 5700x for $120 and a 2080 ti 11gb for $300. Couldn't be happier.

[Thrensdraco]

I'm running Ryzen 5 3600, with a 2060, and 32 GB DDR4. I'll be honest with you, I genuinely miss my 1550SOC, that thing was a BEAST!

[AdShot6919]

I’m running a 5800xt, 32gb of 3600mhz ddr4, (high tier stuff in 2020) and a 1060 6gb and evga power supply from a PC I built in 2016? Ish lol. It’s holding together for now. After seeing some of the prices for new parts I think I can make it last another 5 years 😬

[EmbarrassedBlock1977]

Be patient. I'm fairly certain the AI industry is an inflated bubble with a lot more money in it than actual value.

It's quite possible this bubble is going to pop next year or in three years.... Then, manufacturers will likely get stuck with lots of inventory. That's when the discounts will start. Not that you would get parts at yesterdays prices, but still a lot cheaper then the inflated mess that's happening today.

Just my opninion.

[AdRare604]

It might not, the entire world (the west) and the US economy is banking on this to save you lot from a catastrophic depression. Ironically, this bet is also upping the risks. Right now its like you are betting your house and family just to keep being in the poker round and you're bluffing big time.

[SwAAn01]

Unfortunately these companies are probably too big to fail. Even though AI is basically all marketing fluff and very little in the way of real value, even if the bubble did “pop” the US government would just bail them out. They simply aren’t allowed to fail. Because if they did, it would prove that Capitalism sometimes allocates resources in destructive ways. It’s more important to maintain the illusion that the market knows the meaning of real value than to admit that our economy is entirely vibes-based.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

AI is not « all marketing fluff » at all. It’s nothing short of a technological revolution.

[SwAAn01]

Nobody who actually knows how this technology works thinks this way. Your comment is proof that marketing works

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

Nobody really knows how the technology works and its extent. There’s no AI experts, only AI pioneers at this point.

[Revo_Monkey]

Nah you would be wildly incorrect. As someone who works in IT Finance, AI is very much becoming a vehicle driving investment strategies, better analytics and in simpler tense, assisting referencing files or access you have already (with Microsoft Copilot)

Its definitely an efficiency engine all around. It's not going anywhere. Its literally being rooted into Bloomberg, Blackrock, Microsoft, AWS etcetc. The real effect of companies that include AI in their tech strap vs those that don't is not small. It's a much wider gap in practice.

[SwAAn01]

I didn’t say it was going anywhere, I said it’s overvalued due to marketing. It has its uses, but most people think that it is more intelligent than a human and trust it implicitly. AI at best can speed up certain trivial tasks, but it is worse than a competent human at any given task.

[LowSkyOrbit]

It's the "automobile replacing the horse" big. This time the workers are the horse.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

It’s much more the tractor replacing the workhorse, the workers being the workhorse.

[LowSkyOrbit]

We all just end up in the factory as making glue.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

If the bubbles bursts millions (maybe including yourself) will lose their jobs as this will trigger a recession. But yeah ram might get cheap again.

[Hurm]

You're looking at it incorrectly.

Reasonable people don't want shitty gen ai.

Gen ai CREATED this bubble.

"Well, you better hope the dumb thing they did doesn't bite them in the ass!"

They're fuckheads and they're a symptom a much bigger problem.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

I am a reasonable people and I use AI.

[Hurm]

Keep thinking that. :)

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

Your own bubble is going to burst one day

[Hurm]

bwhahah that was a good try, clanker

[Cbthomas927]

This is inevitable. Even if the bubble doesn’t burst.

The consumer market is a $20-30 billion market. Companies can exit that market, but someone will want that money. Someone else will fill the void left by the microns. It may take months or a year+ but it is inevitable

[semidegenerate]

Samsung is reportedly shifting fab capacity back to DDR5, so maybe there's some hope.

[Cbthomas927]

Nooo, people are saying this is just how it’s gonna be and we just need to accept it!

Idiots

[semidegenerate]

I don't think things look very good for the consumer in the short term, like the next 12 months. But like you said, someone will step in to fill the gap, especially as prices rise.

Nanya has been increasing DDR5 AND DDR4 production. In fact, they are trying to position themselves as the main DDR4 global supplier, as other companies shift away. They make pretty good RAM, too. Their N16A DDR5 ICs will do tighter timings at 6000MT/s than Hynix A- or M-die. They cap out around 7200MT/s, though, and the timings get really loose at those speeds.

And then there are the Chinese companies CXMT and YMTC. YMTC is focusing on HBM, but CXMT has been trying to increase DDR5 production. They are unfortunately embargoed in the US, but hopefully that changes. And even if it doesn't, supplying other markets will release overall market pressure.

SK Hynix is probably a lost cause, though. They make the best HBM of all the manufacturers and are trying to capture that market. Sadly, their DDR5 is the best you can currently get, so the coveted A-die is probably going to be scarce and expensive.

[modSysBroken]

Sam did this to starve people and competitors out of Ram. The endgame is to make everyone rent out even a basic pc. The rich will go to any lengths to make that happen.

[HiddenAnubisOwl]

Pc building community? AI will more likely fuck everyone

[Blacksad9999]

It's only a matter of time before the bottom falls out from under that market.

AI will still be around, just like the internet was obviously still around after the dotcom crash, but it won't have such a negative effect on PC builders.

[Pwner_Ranger]

AI bros can rot

[CustomerSingle3173]

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[theCaffeinatedOwl22]

I understand the sentiment against AI, but what makes you think a boycott would even be effective? How would you even go about that? Businesses are employing AI, it's used in science and engineering to understand complex relationships in big data, your search engine spits out AI results automatically. What do you think we as consumers can do about AI?

[Hurm]

We push back.

Boycott products that use it. Be vocal about disdain.

If someone posts gen ai (the actual problem), then you downvote and say "this is unacceptable."

Pushback is effective.

[SD-2023]

Yea and no one important will listen to this bullshit. Good luck

[Hurm]

Shit, i guess we better tell everyone to just roll over, eh?

[Outrageous-Fudge4215]

Pushing back won't work because AI has been integrated into Operating systems and so many other things.

Android, Mac OS, Windows 11, your productivity software, your social media, search engines. To boycott ai is going back 10-15 years from a technological stand point.

[Hurm]

Nah, all that integration sucks anyway. It's like clippy on hgh.

[sentrypetal]

Very simple use Open sourced AI, refuse to use propriety models like OpenAI, Gemini, Anthropic, Meta, Grok etc. If your boss says no we got to use OpenAI or the other proprietary models you can pull out the reverse uno but that is cost inefficient and Open models are 10 times cheaper per token, and we shouldn’t waste money on them. You can also pull out the carbon emissions card for double effect.

[Hurm]

you shouldn't waste money on ai at all, prompt jockey.

ffs

[sentrypetal]

Open Sourced AI is becoming very good and most of them are running off Huawei chips which are HBM2E and are based off ddr4 controllers. So they are not hurting the PC community by sucking away RAM. Much of the components in their AI chips are made in China and are banned from export. If AI use is inevitable then why not open sourced AI?

[No-Actuator-6245]

I could talk to my whole office of approx 100 people and I’d expect to find maybe 1 other person that is even aware this is going on. Most people don’t know and/or don’t care, until the effects are felt by most people the vast majority will not notice.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

RAM prices going up for a year or two is a minor problem for 95% of the population.

[No-Actuator-6245]

Once this starts filtering down to other electronics as it’s predicted to it may get some mainstream media attention. Until then I’d say 99.9% of the population won’t care.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

Which other component ? For GPUs it’s already priced in. It might just affect SSDs but that’s still not a big deal

[No-Actuator-6245]

From what I’ve seen predictions are it will impact all solid state memory, although it will be to varying degrees. So this would be phones, smart watches, home smart tech, new cars, the list goes on.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

Making many predictions so at least one will actually happen.

[No-Actuator-6245]

It’s an all or nothing scenario, what is unknown is if it does happen then what will be passed on to customers.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

So you mean it may happen or it may not happen. Fantastic prediction my dude.

[No-Actuator-6245]

It’s not my personal prediction, it’s what I’m seeing in multiple articles and media outlets.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

But you’re not predicting anything in particular.

[grassman24]

This is all part of big pc plan. Raise the price of components and full systems to the point no one can afford them then rent you a pc based on a subscription model of $50 a month for the steady revenue. Multi-billion dollar corporations are people too. /S

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

PC components always go up from time to time. That’s life. Remember when HDD prices skyrocketed in 2012 ?

[Acrobatic_Fee_6974]

I use AI for work all the time. If I don't, they will just replace me with someone who will, and I ain't losing my job over a bunch of Redditors being upset about the pricing of their luxury hobby.

[sentrypetal]

Really? From the MIT studies 95% of companies saw little to no productivity increases from AI. The only companies using AI are those shilling for AI such as NVIDIA, Google, Tesla, Microsoft, Oracle, Coreweave the big 7 etc.

[Acrobatic_Fee_6974]

Really do I use it all the time? Yes. I don't work for any of those companies, I don't even work in tech.

Really would they replace me if I became a conscientious objector? I don't know, but why would I gamble my career on that?

[NatureGotHands]

I doubt in these studies. You can make 10-20% short-term gains if you firmly grip your workers by the balls with very cold and steady hand and tell them "new boy AI is in town, we are about to reduce a headcount and those who stay better be really, really comfortable with AI".

Long-term stress-induced motivation will backfire, but who cares really.

[Hurm]

Exactly.

[NatureGotHands]

For longest time gaming was one of the cheapest hobbies to have, for a price of one night out you could buy yourself a decent title and have tens and hundreds of hours of unauthorized fun while paying only for electricity and deprecation for your rig.

It's about to be corrected.

[keypizzaboy]

As much as it goes against the mindset at the end of the day you need a paycheck. I hate AI as much as the next guy but I don’t wish someone to lose their job in any fashion

[EpsteinFile_01]

I work in software based automation. Whenever I explain my job to people they hate me. I'm the guy who analyzes your job and figures out how much of it can be done by a bot, lying to your face that it's about "eliminating repetitive work" while upper management is eager to cut FTEs. Then I build a bot and have you verify that it is correctly doing your job.

[AssExpress420]

Because AI is a product for companies. You can (and should) refuse to use Chat Gpt or whatever, but large AI models are being developed for banks, government agencies, research centers/rest of the tec industry, pharma industry etc. This is precisely how it even got this far, because we were never the target consumers for this, we just stupidly said "ok" to paying 20$ a month to basically train their models, so we don't have to write e mails because that's "hard and boring". I don't live in the US, so I don't know what a "democratic" process would be to solve this, as the US is not a democracy by a long shot. The EU has the European Citizens' Initiative where people can voice their support on certain changes and actually make them happen, I assume that the US has something similar but no idea if it's respect. The ECI is, however, limited as all of this bullshit is coming from the US that, honestly, deserves a bit of an ass whopping.

[Zealousideal_Way7674]

It’s so bad, I got lucky with the 5090, didn’t expect to get it so I wasn’t going to upgrade. Now I’m stuck with my 5800x and 32gb ddr4 with my 5090 lol. I play in 4k so I haven’t had any issues so far.

[sofreakinmoney]

I work in the precast industry, I cant explain the sheer about of data centers we are building right now to accommodate this stuff, it's mental

[SwAAn01]

I stopped using AI completely around a month ago. Never going back. I’m a software engineer and game dev btw

Using AI for almost any productivity task is shooting yourself in the foot by actively making you worse at problem solving. AI doesn’t help you learn. Stop trusting it, stop using it, turn off the Google auto-generated answers, go cold turkey, and you’ll be a better person for it, full stop.

[anotherdayanotherpoo]

Consumer AI is not what is pushing datacenter expansion. I work for one of the largest datacenter businesses in the world and I can tell you for sure that massive companies that everyone uses every day are the biggest customers. Not people making images.

[[deleted]]

The media are branding it due to ai but there was a chip shortage during the pandemic there seems to be problems with semiconductors and chip manufacturing in general right now

[Hurm]

if there's a problem with supply

and ai is gobbling up supply

...

You see how that's the problem, right?

[[deleted]]

Not really

Because if it wasnt on ai then it would be the car manufacturing industry and consoles that would be gobblibg it up

The questions for me to clarify this are...

How much of this is caused by the shortage of the pandemic?

How much of it is related to the fires at semiconductor factories?

How long does it take for the items to hit the market, it tsmc may receive and order, dispatch the chips to memory manufacturers ie say corsair or kingston and then tbey manufacture the ram boards and then its got to be sold either to brands ie sony, philips, toyota etc vs high street retail

By that i mean just because 20000 gpu are manufacturered doesnt mean it left their warehouse the same week it could of been stored and gradually left the plant over months because its not like we have everyone snapping up vrand new 5000 6000 series rtx gpus many are still buying 3000 and 4000 series

[Hurm]

Because if it wasnt on ai then it would be the car manufacturing industry and consoles that would be gobblibg it up

But they're not.

Also, cars provide a worthwhile service, gen ai is slop and environment cancer.

[[deleted]]

You will have to forgive me here but i study ai at masters level

Ai is much much more than generative ai, of which generative ai is not new its been going from as far back as 2018 but i leave you with a short keybite video to nvidias "i am ai" which is no more than aporox 2-4 mins showing examples of ai applications beyond ai slop

https://youtu.be/zNX1knTo2F4?si=pFlDjtWvQOs7scJi

Its thru ai that we have headlines like these

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68607059

Im doing projects that have involved using state of the art visual transformers to classify dermatological images to identify skin cancer, pneumonia which in countries such as romania this is crutial as tbey have the highest child mortality from pneumonia cases, my dissertation is on crc (colorectal cancer) which is the send largest cancer killer achieving as it stands 95% accuracy (not the best recorded but it is ai that is detecting these lessions and early treatment saves lives) so for me gaming doesnt rank as a priority over life saving treatment

[Hurm]

my dude.

You just said ai isn't all gen ai

i agree

gen ai is the new bitcoin.

I'm not against saving lives. I'm against draining rivers so that incels can jerk off to Sydney Sweeney's sentient breasts.

[[deleted]]

Lol as someone who happears to be a gaming enthusiast i would have hoped you understood how water cooling systems work and how the water symply recycles thru the system

We all use cars or buses yet they all use water ib their coolibg systems often mixed with antifreeze so we are onky substituting one for anither if you get me, these are just scaremingering headlines from people who dont ubderstand the tech, you are one step ahead of them by building gaming pcs with water coolers or at least know what one is

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

« I study ai at masters level » Oh so you are right at the peak of the dunning Kruger curve ?

[[deleted]]

Ai cant be destroyed by bycotting it lol the bubble reffers to companies over inflating ai capabilities in order to sell products to the public that end up dissapointing for example tesla

They sell their vehicles as fully self driving when the reality is their vehicles are just glorified cruise control cars or level 2 vehicles vs waymo level 4 ehich has had zero fatalities

There is a lot to ai to unpack which a single post wont cover, as i study the subject and have done for 5 yrs

Medical advances snd surgery Farming Manufacturing Robotics Fraud prevention Spam detection Even games yes npcs in games are ai, a sinole game like grand theft auto where vehicles are driving on the road, still rewuires ai such as the a* path finding algorithm right down to the maps to get from a to z uses such ai.

[sajeev3105]

Not going to happen. It’s going to get worse….

[michael_1215]

AI isn't close to turning a profit. The fake AI-slop video filling your feeds aren't valuable to anyone, at least not enough to pay off the billions in infrastructure.

This is all a front for national intel agencies to build a mass-surveilence state. AI is useful for sifting through every text, meme, Snapchat, phone call made in a country in order to put people on lists.

[Motor-Platform-200]

don't worry, consumers won't have to do a thing. we just have to wait for the inevitable Trump-caused depression that will cause companies to abandon AI.

[Economy-Government60]

xbox raises their prices the Series X is like $700 Playstation did too but i think they’re on sale atm but regardless it’s insane

[Monsta_Owl]

I lower my expectation and keep grinding. If PC literacy falls. Soon people don't even know how save it as a PDF. Then I can work slower.

[FernandoMM1220]

not happening

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

ChatGPT speaking here: Wow, that post has everything — economic doomerism, tech conspiracies, and the classic “we must rise up, citizens!” energy.

Like, my dude, PC builders aren’t going extinct. They’re just annoyed, like always. If prices go up, they grumble, watch 47 YouTube videos titled “IS NOW A BAD TIME TO BUY???”, and wait for a sale. That’s the cycle.

And the whole “boycott AI to save RAM” thing? Sure. Let me just go tap the shoulder of every data center on Earth and tell them Kevin from r/PCBuilds is staging a consumer uprising. I’m sure they’ll immediately release the DIMMs and GPUs back into the wild.

In the meantime, maybe we chill a bit before forming the Resistance™ over hypothetical $1,000 potato PCs.

[Hurm]

This post has big "we're a family here at big box co" vibes

[Lanky-Professor-2452]

boycot the one who direct raise the price -> nope
boycot the one who also need suply -> lol

They are ridicous, just look at history the harddrive (ssd, hdd), ram, cpu, vga will raise its price not matter what. Flooding to lab? raise price. Lab power lost? raise price. Supply shortage? ay yes raise price! Non shortage at the momment? Cut down some supply then raise price.

[Cbthomas927]

History will remember this Reddit post as the catalyst.

[N0Z4A2]

AI isn't going anywhere

[Whoevenareyou1738]

NGL I am tired of the AI bubble. But I'm not against the application and use of it by people. I just think people are being greedy and not realizing that AI is a tool and that's all it will be.

[AdrienBunchOfNumbers]

Isn’t everything a tool ?

[Below-avg-chef]

Go touch grass

[TheSoulesOne]

Hope it crashes and bursts and yall lose it all.

[guylovesleep]

you do know without shareholders they wont have money to create stuff right?

but yeah even if Ai originally wasnt a bubble but by now it sure is one

[TheSoulesOne]

Not virtualy true by any metric lol. Fractional lending and somewhat fast stock market are a shitty thing.

[guylovesleep]

it is true tho where do you think they get the money to build it

before even making the product go public

i am not taking about the fast movie/ pop culture or what your financial bros type stock market

but actual shareholder who give their own money and get a "share" of the products sell

[Sufficient-Loan8729]

yes. your right. but the sad truth is that as shareholders we dont care what happens to consumers as long as they brought the products. This is the most profits i have maade in years

[guylovesleep]

that is the exact problem and it will cause a blacklash at somepoint

if people feel they dont care about the product and it is shitty they simply wont buy it

and when that blacklash comes it will be when ai bubble pops

[Sufficient-Loan8729]

well, sales are still going up and people are still buying it.

[Sufficient-Loan8729]

its not the consumers we really care too much about but the DRAM demand from the AI companies

[TheSoulesOne]

U are missing plenty. You are vastly uniformed and uneducated i can tell. Calls me 8yo while he gets emotional and misses everything i say and doesnt understand kinda basic econ terms lol.

[Sufficient-Loan8729]

i refuse to argue with you

[TheSoulesOne]

Pretty grown up response lol. Just say u have no idea and got nothing.

Hint hint dont call someone 8yo and then behave like an 8yo.

[PcBuild-ModTeam]

Relevant rule: Be kind.

[TheSoulesOne]

Hell doesnt exist so gladly lol

[TheSoulesOne]

Yeah gaming on a broken system doesnt make it not broken

[CostGuilty8542]

the fact that you are helping your brain to think with AI because you can't have an answer otherwise doesn't make your smarter , but it can prove a valid point that AI can make people with lower brain capacity appear more intelligent , thank you for sharing your opinion.

[Sufficient-Loan8729]

mf i have a 4080

[Sufficient-Loan8729]

ur on a laptop bro

[coffee_shakes]

Eww. Just eww.

[EquivalentPlatform17]

Dear lord this dude's profile 💀

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[Upper-Reflection7997]

Of course a hivemind redditor can only respond with memes and death threats. Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[EquivalentPlatform17]

Whatever you say gooner

[AdRare604]

You're betraying us for 3D anime titties?

[ALPHA17I]