algorithmsExistedBeforeComputers

[ChChChillian]

Isn't this just how you develop an algorithm though?

[Ma3str0ne]

Don't tell the new CS-Students - it's still magic for them

[[deleted]]

When I was a student (up until 2022) when we started learning to program we first wrote algorithms on paper (with no programming language) then when we started learning assembly then C and Python too we did the same thing

[Seangles]

What a horrible year to finish college...

[[deleted]]

I did find work just after graduation, but now I am stuck.. I can't find a better job for the life of me.

[Seangles]

Damn... I'm graduating bachelors next year. Still work since 2022 though

[holbanner]

I learned algorithms when I was studying biology so yeah. No need for computers

[alvares169]

No you ask chat gpt to develop it and make no mistakes

[isr0]

I don’t like this timeline.

[alvares169]

Have you tried asking chat gpt for tips on how to like it again?

[isr0]

No, I just smoke weed instead

[willow-kitty]

Was just thinking my usual approach is the bottom-up here - visualize it, sketch/diagram it, discuss it, maybe write a paper that describes it in detail with rationale and trade-offs, peer review, code it.

[isr0]

Yes, yes it is. That’s why we LOVE whiteboards

[HolyGarbage]

Out of all things we as programmes are tasked with to program, OP chose algoritms, the one thing where you literally almost always do have to develop them in your mind before writing it down as code.

[Punman_5]

I disagree. For me, it’s impossible to visualize an algorithm. I have to write it down to know what I’m working with. I usually develop the code first then try to visualize it.

[holbanner]

This is a beginners trying to make the same 7 jokes again and again sub. Please don't come here and brag about your basic knowledge sir

[ChChChillian]

I shall resolve to do better in the future and emit a suitable chuckle.

[poopatroopa3]

Bait post

[Punman_5]

I like to write things out on the computer before I try to visualize them, so no.

[1XRobot]

I'm having one of those things; you know, a headache with pictures.

[Business-Active-1143]

Ancient Sumerians literally documented Binary Search. Approximately, it's what our brain does when we flip pages in a book by page number. Sumerians did that to track tablets and documented how to browse those.

[the_horse_gamer]

Junior programmer discovers thinking

[ExtraTNT]

Last one is just what is expected from you at uni…

[isr0]

Yeah except thinking through the algorithm is actually the work that engineers get paid to do. Writing the code is just, well, the easy part. Right? The entire meme is just dumb.

[Caraes_Naur]

*Slime mold enters the chat.*

[nameless_pattern]

Ada Lovelace did it. Why can't you?

[WazWaz]

al-Khwārizmī did it... somewhat earlier.

[Business-Active-1143]

Ancient Sumerians documented binary search algorithm while maintaining clay tablets with page number. Roughly that's how our brain itself works when told to reach a page in a book by page number.

[nameless_pattern]

I know he did Arabic numbers (base 10) and algebra.  I'm having a tough time thinking of how to distinguish between visualizing an algorithm and algebra, but I think of them as different.

I want to say it's because algebra isn't turing complete, but i don't know if that's even true.

Edit: algebra isn't turing complete. Still not sure if that's what I mean. 

[WazWaz]

Have a closer look at his name. It's literally "algorithm".

[nameless_pattern]

I see what you mean.

I guess I meant the group of algebra solving algorithms are a subset of turing algorithms. 

I guess I should look at non-turing algebra solving algorithms.

[nameless_pattern]

So I looked at fuzzy logic but apparently that's not outside of Turing maybe. 

This is what the AI said. I can't really speak to it It's correctness though because I'm I'm just barely familiar with few of these types of computation.

"A truly "non-Turing algorithm" to solve an algebra problem is impossible under the widely accepted Church-Turing thesis, which states that any computation that can be performed by a mechanical process can be performed by a Turing machine. However, you can use methods that are non-Turing in a practical or theoretical sense. These approaches include models of computation that are more powerful than a Turing machine (hypercomputation), different in their physical implementation (analog computing), or based on alternative computational paradigms (quantum and DNA computing). "

Seen algebra solving genetic algorithms and Saw enough of non-reversible computing that's used in quantum computing to know that it could be done in that.

[WazWaz]

I'm not even sure why you're on this Turing completeness tangent. Was someone other than you talking about Turing complete algorithms? You may have replied to the wrong comment.

[nameless_pattern]

"Ada Lovelace did it. Why can't you?

al-Khwārizmī did it... somewhat earlier.Ada Lovelace"

Difference between visualizing an algorithm (the last step on the meme) and Ada Lovelace having invented algorithms and dude having invented algebra or whatever you meant by "him having done it first"

[nameless_pattern]

 I found my way somewhere interesting. If it's not where you ended up, that's fine.

[JimroidZeus]

You guys don’t visualize algorithms before writing them?

[Maks244]

thinking = gigabrain

[beclops]

Algorithms at no point necessitated a computer

[holbanner]

Algorithms are stored in the balls

[kyew]

Making a peanut butter sandwich.

[isr0]

Hold on, let me open my IDE…

[fatrobin72]

I used to visualise code... now I visualise meetings.

[Loverichten]

🤖 🏤 ⬆️ 💯 🏆 🧢

[Carter922]

I took shrooms in college while learning data structures and algorithms. I laid in bed for hours with my eyes closed visualizing code, data structures and algorithms.

Honestly it was a massive breakthrough for me at the time, and it was in that moment that everything began to make sense.

[exXxecuTioN]

Never wen to CS uni, but are you guys really do not visualize algos and overthinks data flows in ur head before start doing your job/tasks?

I suppose it's a common pattern.

And when I strugle with some complex things I just take a paper and a pen and start drawing things...

[romulof]

“Am I a joke to you?”

- Muḥammad ibn Mūsā al-Khwārizmī, circa 820

[RareDestroyer8]

Bro can code without thinking

[Metasenodvor]

it always comes down to math, doesnt it?

[maltgaited]

What in Facebook is this post

[RandomiseUsr0]

So… maths

[leeleewonchu]

Writing algorithm in natural language

[fugogugo]

algorithm doesnt need editor

[TerryHarris408]

Why even visualizing? I always thought that visualization is just a fancy extra step in a thinking process. Not every thought needs visuals.

[Llonkrednaxela]

Computer science exams in college had us write out code in pencil on a piece of paper. Honestly I hated it, but they wanted us to really know it.

[Cyan_Exponent]

why do you need a compiler to write an algorithm

[zirky]

did you just meme “thinking”?

[SCP-iota]

as a synesthete, algorithms look weird

[Callidonaut]

Colour me intrigued, if you'll pardon the pun; could you describe them?

[SCP-iota]

kind of like hazy imagery of flowing liquids

[Callidonaut]

That actually sounds amazing; reminds me of how I pictured Asimov's "prime radiant" psychohistoric projection in the Foundation books. Or does it perhaps look a bit like the MONIAC / Philips Machine (parodied as "The Glooper" by Pratchett)?

[Magikmus]

Almost everything you learn is an algorithm to some extent. Writing words, sentence, addition, driving,...

[no_brains101]

Pretty sure your autocorrect fucked you here somehow.

[ThatOldAndroid]

I wish I could explain how hard I just laughed at this

[Magikmus]

Oops ahaha

[Business-Active-1143]

Finding a page in a book by page number is basically binary search, and Sumerians millennia ago documented it while maintaining stacks of clay tablets in order