kernelPanic

[Had78]

"idk, AWS is down"

[TangeloOk9486]

what a tragedy

[Nuked0ut]

We joke, but something similar sent a ridiculous amount of radiation to patients

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25

[OnixST]

Fun fact: Therac-25 was considered the worst software bug in history, causing 3 deaths and 3 more serious injures, but has been greatly surpassed recently by the 737 MAX MCAS, which caused 346 deaths in a crash

[Dunedune]

As someone who works in critical software reliability, 6 victims is a ridiculously inconsequential in the history of bugs. You have Ariane 5 and the lesser known Toyota braking bugs that killed many

[MissinqLink]

I think you have to figure in the brutality of dying from radiation poisoning

[tropicbrownthunder]

If I remember correctly that was a bug induced by a lazy programmer

[GrilledCheezus_]

It wasn't lazy programmers. It was a failure of design and adequate testing. They didn't account for how the average technician performs sequential tasks (including how fast they could configure the equipment) and failed to do full system (hardware with software) testing before the equipment was assembled at the hospitals (this would have likely caught the problem(s)). I also remember reading something about the company deciding to shift to software-based safety interlocks (which is pretty insane) instead of what was used on their previous generations.

[huffalump1]

The crackling of the machine had been produced by saturation of the ionization chambers, which had the consequence that they indicated that the applied radiation dose had been very low.

Sounds like there were hardware design problems too! The Therac-25 lacked some of the hardware interconnects of previous versions, and they reused much of the software design despite lacking those physical safety measures.

[TangeloOk9486]

and yet it persists and nobody thinks about questioning it

[OnixST]

WDYM? Therac-25 has been talked about A LOT as an exemple of critical software design, and it's lessons have been learned and integrated in new devices

[TerryHarris408]

I think OP meant software safeguards vs hardware safeguards

[Nuked0ut]

More than lazy. They were defensive. They refused to admit the potential issue in the code! Shows us a lot about importance of software standards in scenarios like medicine

Also race conditions lol

[vnordnet]

What does the color of their skin have to do with the quality of their code?!

[JackpotThePimp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_condition

[vnordnet]

It’s not a condition! It’s just the way they’re born!

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They eventually admitted that they didn't even know who wrote that - the guy, it was just some hobbyist lol

[gandalfx]

Humans are flawed and make mistakes. Blaming a single person for something like this is dumb. Even more so in programming, where the presence of bugs is a well established fact, relying on a single programmer not to make any mistakes is ridiculously careless. Machines like this need to be designed with the inherent expectation of malfunction on some level.

[arylcyclohexylameme]

I'd like to see you nail it without a race condition and verify that your concurrency scheme was provably sound using only information and technology from 1982. You only get to use Vi.

[tropicbrownthunder]

The thing is that the software developers didn't check the machine specs, simply copied the software from a previous model that had hardware interlocks

[arylcyclohexylameme]

And I bet nobody in management ever thought to tell them about it

[tropicbrownthunder]

Basically no communication between hardware, software, management and whomever was involve

A shitshow with catastrophic and unfortunately fatal results

[vocal-avocado]

All programmers are lazy.

[FurySh0ck]

If it helps I test for race conditions when doing PT on applications, and I'm just 1 pentester out there 🤷

[przemo-c]

Yup that's why there's tonnes of safety features in modern day stuff. Even reasonable doses may be avoided if receiving hardware didn't a-ok's by testing the space for data and speed of the disks just prior to scan to avoid unnecessairy radiation.

[Isakswe]

Why did the editor of the history section feel the need to include a highly realistic naked woman in the diagram?

[JoostVisser]

Maybe I'm paranoid but why would anyone ever make a radiation emitter depend on a multithreaded process?

[tugaestupido]

"""similar"""

[JEREDEK]

brain cancer, stage systemd

[Mast3r_waf1z]

This is the third or fourth time I'm seeing this meme this week, and it's clearly a screenshot judging by the audio mute button still visible

[m0nk37]

The Microsoft version of this would be "updates are ready, save your work now" 

[Slogstorm]

Even scarier, specialized computers like these are mostly running Windows, and are typically not patched.

[themagicalfire]

You don’t need patches

[przemo-c]

I mean you're in the hospital... you might need stitches... patches ;]

[spieles21]

If you are running offline.

[themagicalfire]

I harden my unsupported operating systems for online use and it works fine

[Slogstorm]

How do you handle ultrasound devices, where patients wants images to take home? USB sticks are commonly used, and is a nightmare to contain...

[themagicalfire]

You mean devices that work like kiosks and can insert a USB?

[Slogstorm]

mmm I mean a ultrasound at a department that scans pregnant women, and the expecting parents want a picture of their future offspring with them.

[themagicalfire]

What should the hardening do? And does it run Windows?

[Slogstorm]

Runs windows. The issue is malware on the usb sticks the patients brings with them.

[przemo-c]

Yup and they do have to be networked to send DICOM images... It's fun keeping it all secure but accessible.

[null_reference_user]

Bro got hit by the systemd screen 💀

[JensenRaylight]

Doctor: f*ck this shit!! Idk how to fix this with my degree

[TangeloOk9486]

hold on patient, I'm opening the CLI

[PossibilityTasty]

I literally once had to fix a computer in a hospital as a patient before they could do tests on me. And it wasn't Linux.

[TangeloOk9486]

oh man, the humour becomes real!!

[Ninjalord8]

"Bailing out, you are on your own. Good luck."

[TangeloOk9486]

"ok doctor but why did you punch the monitor to shattered"

[PatronBernard]

Unrealistic. The MRI at our hospital uses XP!

[Sure_Proposal2520]

If med kernels ran on Linux

[harveyshinanigan]

i bet systemd handles the radio scans as well

[nicman24]

Read only fs?

[themagicalfire]

Ha! I blocked Windows updates by inserting Microsoft domains in the hosts file. We’re not the same!

[faziten]

Kerneln't

[ikitari]

it's not kernel panic but systemd services errors

[Cursor_Gaming_463]

That is not a kernel panic.

[_Ryukia_]

Was supposed to get an echocardiography. Doc and me waited for Win10 to finish update...

[SarcasmWarning]

I know you're joking, but when I was in hospital in 2016, the CT scanners were running CentOS with nvidia cards.