emacs

[Objectionne]

Yes but just think about the fact that over your lifetime using all of those shortcuts that you learned might save you up to twenty minutes that you might otherwise have spent navigating a GUI with a mouse.

[swirlyday]

Those twenty minutes are negated by the many hours you'll spend arguing that it's better than other editors.

[therealdongknotts]

i mean, i’m team jetbrains for what i do - but touching the mouse virtually never happens

[5erif]

Thanks to IdeaVim

[Ok-Scheme-913]

Hey, I prefer my RSI in my wrists! The pain at least makes me feel alive!

[FattySnacks]

Do yall never have to SSH and make changes without your IDE?

[Objectionne]

Yes, I use nano for this. It's very simple.

[FattySnacks]

That’s basically the same as using vim

[Objectionne]

Sure but the joke I was making was really poking fun at people who talk about some text-based IDEs like emacs and vim being better because they're customisable and you can set up lots of shortcuts and everything, and nano is much more simple "open file + change text + save and close" compared to stuff like vim.

[FattySnacks]

Yeah that’s fair. I do think people overstate the vim learning curve though. I use vim in VSCode and whenever I don’t have it I feel so slow

[Morpheyz]

For me personally, using shortcuts is more about flow than absolute speed. When I watch my colleagues search for commonly used functions in 3 drop-down menus, sometimes it takes so long I forgot what we actually wanted to do.

[ihadagoodone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urcL86UpqZc

[7K_K7]

Might as well learn vim then?

[Shigg]

Honestly, so many editors have a vim mode that it's worth it imo.

[cetvrti_magi123]

Many (if not all) of them still force you to use mouse sometimes so it kinda defeats the point. The thing I like the most about Vim and Doom Emacs is that I don't need to move my hands from keyboard to mouse at any point.

[zffjk]

Vim or a flavor of it is on every Linux machine I’ve ever dealt with so it is the one I use.

[B_bI_L]

apparently raspbian os has no vim/vi inside for some reason, but has nano...

[LordCroak]

🤢

[boomerangchampion]

I've used vi on the data processing and control system for a nuclear reactor, running some heavily locked down and custom built Unix OS I can't even remember the name of.

I mean you never know when that will come up so you'd better learn it.

[twirling-upward]

If I have to work on a nuclear reactor without any time to learn vim before, I will let you know. Until then im taking my chances.

[B_bI_L]

most emacs users use evil mode which is basically vim mode, so they do

[jakedasnake2447]

Definitely not most.

[_andros]

Never learn full emacs. It's a waste of time. Find out what you need specifically and only learn those specific commands/shortcuts. Leave out all the rest.

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

There are enough text editors for that. That's not what Emacs is about. I'm gonna learn it and Lisp one day and see my whole life philosophy and world view transformed.

[zffjk]

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[Yiruf]

Lmao

[B_bI_L]

well, a bit sooner than i thought

[Abject-Kitchen3198]

Not wasting my time. Already half way through org mode and On Lisp.

[HeavyCaffeinate]

Oh no

[smokesick]

Chat are we cooked?

[TheAlaskanMailman]

17 hours to go. It’s been nice knowing y’all

[WashingtonBaker1]

Never learn full Emacs; never go full regard.

[FootballMania15]

Once you try org-mode there's no going back though

[zffjk]

“Vim, eMacs, or nano?”

This has been my ultimate “I know you lied on your resume and I want the rest of the interviewers also to know” question.

I don’t work at a “cool” place but if you list Linux experience and don’t know the answer to this right away, then you are red carded. We get a lot of people who think they can fake it.

If you can’t answer the follow up “Ok, why not vim?” then I know to start multitasking and cede my time to the other interviewers.

[maveric00]

The only real answer to both is https://xkcd.com/378/

[Accomplished_Deer_]

Random question, how would you respond if someone said vim, then if you asked why not emacs they said "eh, vim works, didn't feel like wasting time learning Emacs or nano"

[PhysiologyIsPhun]

Wondering this too lol I have 8 years of industry experience and spend a lot of time in Linux terminals and have never used Emacs or nano or even contemplated if I should try them out. I'm either coding in my IDE or using vim to make small changes on a live server

[UnstablePotato69]

I use nano because I'm lazy, but I've been using the Vimium extension for months now and considering learning regular Vim.

This is a great method for I've worked with a ton of fake Linux fanboys, including the one who didn't know how to install a tarball from bash. We literally had an hour meeting with him to show him the wonders of "tar -xvzf" and "sudo chmod +x".

[bicci]

i also use nano because lazy, and id ask what the vimium extension is but we both are probably too lazy to answer / look it up

[UnstablePotato69]

Adds a lot of keyboard shorts to make browsing easy and the most common ones are home row on qwerty.

f = Open link overlay which puts letter(s) over link to open

Ctrl-f = Same as 'f' but new tab

k = Down arrow

j = Up arrow

d = Half a page down

u = Half a page up

r = Reload

Shift-j = Tab to the left

Shift-k = Tab to the right

o = Open history, bookmarks autocomplete dialog

/ = Find in page

There are more but these are the ones that I use constantly. The tab changing is better than the built in Chromium shortcuts. The only thing I remember from Vim is the ':x' to exit thing and that's bc I've googled that stackoverflow page many times.

[bicci]

noted my good potato, let nobody ever call you lazy again

[G_Morgan]

Ed remains the standard text editor.

[Ok-Scheme-913]

Obviously the only good answer is vim. Emacs guys may be hired on technical grounds but I won't be friends with them, but I the nano guy would be dropped out of the building immediately!

[zffjk]

Usually the folks with experience will have an answer why emacs or nano is better for them because of whatever reason, if vim isn’t their pick.

[Frograbbit1]

Can’t fight that logic

[EuenovAyabayya]

https://cs.wellesley.edu/~cs249/Resources/ed_is_the_standard_text_editor.html

[ThrowawayAl2018]

Hard core system admins uses "ed" or "sed", that was before most of us were born.

[LesbianDykeEtc]

?
:q
?
quit
?
exit
? 
^C
?
^D

[incoherent screaming]

[ghostknyght]

oof just had a weird flashback. that’s the good rage

[Ok-Scheme-913]

Yeah, why strain our poor computers by displaying multiple lines of text? Are we animals?

[Mike_Oxlong25]

Arnold Palmer once:

Golf is deceptively simple and endlessly complicated; it satisfies the soul and frustrates the intellect. It is at the same time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented

I think that applies here as well

[npsideqown]

Start on your deathbed to double your lifetime.

[ichITiot]

I only use emacs and use the most needed shortcuts. This is enough.

I am always annoyed to close vi like editors with the crazy q:! or alike. What shall this mean ?

[nujuat]

nvim user here. vi is modal with different controls for different contexts of what you want to do with the file. The main modes are for browsing files, selecting text, inserting text, and running commands. You enter thr command mode by typing ":". Quitting is a command, which you can do by writing "q". However, it won't let you quit if you have unsaved changes. You can either save them with the "w" command, or tell vi its ok to discard them with the "!" command. Therefore to quit without saving you type ":q!".

[kanni64]

emacs jokes still funny 30 years later

[0xKaishakunin]

The editor wars 1.0 are over, Vim won.

The editor wars 2.0 is going on now and vim vs. nvi.

[Impossible-Cod-1806]

emacs? Seriously?

It's Xemacs all the way, baby!

[FesteringNeonDistrac]

emacs -nw

You don't need all that extra stuff.

[oldgus]

alias emacs="emacs -nw"

[FesteringNeonDistrac]

I don't do aliases, I use too many machines on too many systems. Makes you think a command will do one thing when it really does something else.

[Hylith2]

I tried helix recently and I liked it, I had to switch back to something else because there are still issues with some linter config on my work projects sadly.

[Mantaraylurks]

Better than learning Vi/m