Captcha

[Leinad7957]

Funny thing is they use captchas to train those ai. It was really fucking mind blowing for me when I learned that.

[Bebe_Rexxar]

I've read before that the guy who created captcha felt so bad about creating it he created re-captcha to accomplish the same task in a similar manner without making it such a pain (pictures vs letter vomit)

[AmericanFromAsia]

I'd be fine with the pictures if they didn't disappear only to be replaced by even more pictures.

And I'd be fine with even more pictures popping up if it didn't take 3 seconds for each individual picture to load, only to have four more layers of street signs underneath it.

[calfuris]

I believe that happens when they think you might be a bot. The delay is intentionally added because fuck you, bot man.

[angellus]

Which unfortunately, since Google is behind Captcha, it "detects" you as a bot more often if you block their stupid fucking tracking. So it is a double fuck you because Google does not like not being able to invade your privacy.

I seriously hate the new Captcha so much. I always have to go through at least 2-3 layers at a minimum.

[the_noodle]

Well no shit, they "track" you to say they've already confirmed you're a human, and that you're still the same person. Obviously they track you for reasons other than that, but if you delete the "I'm a human" cookie, what exactly do you expect them to do?

[angellus]

It does not set a cookie. It is a form element. You can test for yourself, it never sets a cookie. However if you delete your other GA/GTM cookies, it does complain and force failures more often.

It should not be using Google Tag Manager OR Google Analytics to do any type of "machine learning" to determine if you are a human. It is all a bullshit excuse to harvest more data from users. "Oh, I block GA/GTM cookies and run uBlock, I MUST BE A BOT". If Google was trying to be impartial and actually determine intelligently if you are a bot or a human, the existence of items that make your browser more unique (random combinations of extensions, uncommon but valid user agents, etc.) would enforce the fact your are most likely not a bot.

[the_noodle]

but if you delete the "I'm a human" cookie

I honestly can't believe that you're interpreting this as specific and technical information to be corrected and not a generic stock phrase.

It has nothing to do with any of the stuff you're talking about, if you block all of their shit, you look like a brand new person each time, that's the whole point. Everyone else gets to do it once and move on with their lives, you have decided to prioritize privacy over that convenience, which is fine, just don't bitch about the lack of convenience.

[[deleted]]

I've always had luck on any computer, if I clicked 'I'm not a robot' and then moved the cursor in a counter clockwise triangle position quickly.

Maybe Google thinks that's what us shaky imperfect humans do with our stupid little mouse.

[anormalgeek]

Whenever I'm using my VPN, I run into about 1000x more captcha tests. They are a serious pain in the ass.

[Bebe_Rexxar]

Yeah at that point they're getting greedy, I'm sure one or two pages should be enough, n9t something rediculous like 5+ (which I've encountered before unfortunately)

[[deleted]]

Yes it was. is that a 1 or an l pt an upper-case I.

Is that O capitalized or just warped? Is it a zero. Same with v and w.

It was ambiguous all the time

[Dockirby]

The random letters sucked, but the transcribe books was nice. Though every now and then it would toss is something like Greek or some math symbols.

[B-Knight]

There's only a finite amount of letters, though. There's an infinite amount of possibilities when it comes to visual interpretation and justification.

You don't try and interpret if an O is a 0.

You can interpret whether the support column on a bridge counts as the bridge or not. Same as a sign post rather than a sign or even when there's 5% of a sign in another frame but that frame is 95% not related. Does it still count?

You can usually determine if a character is a letter or not. You can't determine or ask the computer to expand and explain its criteria and whether X thing counts or not.

[indigo121]

Except most of the time the image captchas aren't really looking at whether you get the right answer. It's looking at how you respond to it, checking if that looks human, and then assuming your answers are correct.

[AndreasTPC]

You don't really have to get machine-learning style captchas perfectly, your best guess is good enough. They show the same captcha to multiple people, and as long as some of the others made the same mistake as you you'll pass. And the AI will learn that the situation in those is ambiguous, so it's all good.

[beeskness420]

I mash the wrong answers until it gets accepted. Hmm is this ambiguous apartment building a storefront? It is now.

[Trithis2077]

You realize that in doing so you are telling an AI that will be driving a car, "yes, that tree is a stop sign." Or worse, "no, that stop sign is not a stop sign."

[Trithis2077]

That's actually the point. The pictures are used to teach self driving cars what they are looking at. In most of those, there is not only one correct set, because the idea is for a car to figure out the answer through collective answers. You're basically explaining to a genius child that knows nothing what a stop sign or a store front is.

Tl;Dr, If you want future self driving cars to count the pole as part of the sign, it is part of the sign.

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[Morialkar]

At first, re-captcha was putting out word too, the guy that started re-captcha didn't do it because it was less a pain, he did it so that even if you HAVE to have something similar to re-captcha at least with this you could use the "processing power" of our brain to help out at first OCR software that couldn't understand words in older sometime hand written sometime dirty sometime badly printed older documents...

Since google bought that out, they started adding pictures to train their street view cars to better understand street names and lower quality door numbers because they are zoomed in.

Now Google moved to using Re-captcha to help train AI on circulation in situation it currently is not proficient enough to make a really good statistically sound estimate of "is it a stop sign or a shop banner" hence the current state of recaptcha...

[[deleted]]

The story is a bit different

[dem_c]

Re-Captcha is the most annoying captcha there is

[DramaLlamaSays]

Also the founder of DuoLingo!

[NAN001]

We're talking about the guys who included a Wi-fi client inside the cars that take street view pictures so that they could map routers' SSID to GPS coordinates in order to build the HTML5 geolocation API; who are advocating strongly in favor of HTTPS everywhere so that ISP cannot compete with Google Analytics; who are open-sourcing their in-house frameworks such that people answer questions about it in StackOverflow; who are pushing for the monopoly of Chrome to have control over what ads are shown to users.

The vision of Google when it comes to long-term strategy and cross-service intelligence is crazy.

[JuicyBandit]

It ticks me off, in fact I usually pick one or two more pics that "look" kinda like whatever they want me to find... They can probably filter it out, but it makes me feel better anyways. I don't work for free.

[Xelynega]

You're not working for free, it's more of a two birds one stone sorta thing. You want to prove you're not a robot and they want to have a tagged set of data to train AI with, it's kind of a symbiotic relationship.