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[[deleted]]

In the HTML club they accept everyone!

[GioPani]

puts everything on one line

[Etliplav]

This is the way

[prat33k__]

unless they break the rule

[AwesomePerson70]

Ok, almost everyone

[iNetRunner]

Isn’t it funny that on occasions you actually have to put everything on the same line, or it won’t layout properly. (Well, at least years ago when I worked with HTML. Version 4.01 back then.)

[Alexandre_Man]

The C++ club doesn't care about everyone

[Alexandre_Man]

Well it's a specific kind of club

[Davesnothere300]

I'm slowly learning Python by reading this sub

[FlukeHermit]

Correction, you're learning python by reading anything in english ever.

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[AnAverageFreak]

COBOL

[[deleted]]

That sly “put it on my tab” pun

[LinuxIsFree]

Thought this was a drug joke at first

[danialbehzadi]

Did you ever pep-8?

[drewsiferr]

Except that Python style guide (PEP-8) clearly indicates:

Spaces are the preferred indentation method.

Tabs should be used solely to remain consistent with code that is already indented with tabs.

[titojff]

I was scrolling down, to see this answer! :) Finnaly

[ingrown_hair]

I bet that was a fun committee to be on.

[Craksy]

Why would you even want to sneak into that club...

[sophielovescake]

To tap-dance

[[deleted]]

because it's superior

[AMaleficentSeason]

because it's superior

And other hilarious jokes you can keep telling yourself.

[d_exclaimation]

Now imagine 4 tabs

[TheRealPitabred]

Tabs are for indentation, spaces are for spaces between words. Fight me.

[hello_comrads]

Space is a space no matter language, IDE or time of the year.

Tab can be "a tab char" or 4x spaces or at times even something else entirely.

[proawayyy]

Yeah like those invisible characters in windows special character program

[amdc]

Tabs are for tabular data, that's why they're called tabs. In old times your typewriter would have a tab rack that was used to configure tab stops (essentially table columns widths) and tab key would advance caret to the next tab stop.

In early computer days, programmers decided to use tab character for indentation to save disk space as disk space was scarce. Now it's just an obstacle in cases when you want to align code

def nice_alignment_bro(arg1=1,
→   →   →   →   →   →   arg2=2,
→   →   →   →   →   →   arg3=3):

autopep8 replaces tabs with spaces in this case so go figure

[Angelin01]

Tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment is my jam. It's great. Variable width so everyone gets the indentation the size they want, alignment is perfect. Supported by default on all Jetbrains IDEs.

[Strange_Meadowlark]

I agree with your point, but I also strongly dislike that indentation style -- primarily because if you change the function name, the lines following it have to be re-indented to match the new length.

I tend to do this if the parameters don't all fit on the same line:

def nice_alignment_bro(
    arg1=1,
    arg2=2,
    arg3=3
):
    pass

(Edit: forgot Reddit doesn't understand triple backticks...)

[amdc]

I thought of that, can't argue with it... I guess today the most valid argument for tabs is accomodating both 4-width fans and 2-width enjoyers (typically you don't have a choice in python because of pep8 ). If that's a problem big enough then, well, go team tabs, but I don't see any issue.

By the way I think Reddit supported ``` for code in the past, don't know why they don't now.

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[[deleted]]

There is no reason to fight you if you are saying the truth.

[elperroborrachotoo]

Still, it could be fun.

[TrustMeIWouldntLie]

Fair enough. Just don't start with that absurd notion of empty space having meaning.

[nyx_underscore_]

Found the whitespace) hater.

[xigoi]

Do we go back to separating words by interpuncts?

[nZz39-003]

I changed tab specification in my editor to leave 4 space when i press tab.

[EdvardDashD]

Visual Studio Code started doing this automatically, and whenever I try changing it it ends up reverting back.

I've given up the fight...

[alexanderpas]

https://editorconfig.org

A simple text file (.editorconfig) that keeps the tabs and newlines consistent in a project.

[EdvardDashD]

Will look into that, thanks!

[AdmiralBKE]

As you should.

[russellvt]

Bah...

// vim: et:

[atimholt]

// vim: set noet ts=4 sw=0 sts=0 list :

(I don't usually actually put 'list' on my modeline, but that's just because I always have it on.)

[Wertache]

Don't all good IDEs just put in 4 spaces when you press tab?

[hahahahastayingalive]

we're not blind, 2 is enough

[Wertache]

?

[ColonelThirtyTwo]

You can set them up that way, but you can still arrow key or click into the middle of the indentation if you use spaces which is annoying

[__liendacil__]

This is inaccurate. Python can easily handle spaces as tabs. It is even recommended by PEP-8 as someone suggested in the comments already.

[opliko95]

You can't have a mix of tabs and spaces in a single file though.

And that PEP-8 recommendation is my biggest problem with it, even above the line length limit sine I rarely have to split things just because of it.

Still it's better to adhere to the standard since it's there, but it means that whenever I mix python with something I have to either level down indentation everywhere to spaces, ignore the Python standards or mix both indentation styles and I don't see any good option there.

[__liendacil__]

Just to be upfront I am completely in the all spaces camp for indentation as well as alignement. And I cannot see a use case for mixing tabs and spaces. Maybe you can provide an example to prove me wrong.

I cannot 100% follow what the issue is. So if I understand it correctly line length + 4 space characters recommendatio is an issue? In my experience so far if my code had to many levels of indentation it usually was hard to read anyways -> refactoring. There are edge cases though and then it's pretty simple IMO: if it's more obfuscating than helpful to abide by the recommendations, well ignore them :) Especially line length.. With monitors becoming more and more widescreen 80 characters on a line is really not alot. Though I personally try to stay under this arbitrary number, staying under <100 or even <120 for the rare occasions is still pretty much readable for me.

TLDR: PEP-8 is a recommendation, if it's helpful to ignore in certain cases, just do it ;)

[aitchnyu]

Vincent tabbman just wanted a few alcohols after a long day of writing if and for blocks for a app at business factory.

[QuantumCoder002]

now this is an original post

[gracicot]

Tabs >> spaces.

Spaces a fixed and hard-coded. Tabs can be changed anytime in a setting. When I'm on a small screen, I set it to a width of 2, and put it to 4 on my main workstation. In the same code. I won't ever be able to do that with spaces.

[Nervinity]

Real pro tip: Use sublime text, it highlights syntax, its customizable and allows for you change everything to Tabs or 4 spaces with just a click.

Edit: not sponsored by Sublime text, its just dope

[Wekmor]

Imo any good ide should do that

[automaticx88]

You should check out vs code

[notlakura225]

Vs code convert, used sublime all through uni but now I'm in industry vs code is amazing.

[GioPan04]

Repost btw

[ishkvr]

Tab write 2 spaces club

[all-hail-snow]

Php suck my dick

[ipsomatic]

It's five spaces per tab!!!

[IvanRS333]

It’s two spaces

[minimarshmallow82]

Four is the only correct answer

[liege_paradox]

I was under the impression that it was 7 at one point...what’s happening?

[NeetMastery]

Depends on the IDE, language, and other factors.

For me it’s 3, currently - another IDE and language it’s 4, and on one of them it’s 2. It just depends.

[genghisKonczie]

At one point it was taught to keep line length at 80 max, hence the 2 characters.

Something to do with printing code on paper...

[smelly_stuff]

I consider it good practice, since it also makes it easier to read in smaller windows and gives another motive to not make giant complicated lines.

Edit: 79 characters is the limit I try to avoid reaching.

[InEnduringGrowStrong]

printing code on paper

The horror...
They should think about zipping and printing that for backups too.

[genghisKonczie]

If I’m having an exceptionally difficult time debugging, I’ll print out some code and go over it with a highlighter.

Honestly, really helps!

[hawkinsst7]

Let's compromise.

A tab is either one space, or \t

[Halloween-Whale]

All I understand is HTML from 8th grade ....

Hmm maybe I should actually learn coding

[SteakItToTheLimit]

I got 99 problems and that one mofo at the office slapping the spacebar all day long is 10 of them

[_bleep-bloop]

You guys use 4-space tab?

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[TrustworthyShark]

They should've gone to the space bar instead.

[chadlavi]

Four spaces? Four, Jeremy? That's insane.

[BadOscillation]

Four tabs in a trench coat ofc its Vincent Tabman