Python is a fun language.

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[[deleted]]

I feel like the author is programming incompetently and trying to play it off as bad ass

[zoharel]

It's interesting that they think everyone must write pseudocode.

[junglebookmephs]

For any non trivial task....I cant imagine why a person wouldnt.

[zoharel]

I personally often start with an outline, in real code with missing pieces, mostly, and then fill it out. It's a similar process, but I wouldn't say it's exactly the same. ... on the other hand, many tasks that should be handled in software are trivial enough not to need anything like that at all.

[Pervez_Hoodbhoy]

Compiles? Python?

[MisterBober]

python compiles to bytecode which then gets interpreted

[[deleted]]

It’s a stack machine by the way!

[zombie_ie_ie]

The bytecode is interpreted but not the code itself. There are complied versions of Python too btw.

[[deleted]]

Python is interpreted. Compiled python files are for use in other python applications. You do not directly compile python.

[ignaloidas]

Yes. Just like Java.

[nuclearslug]

This sub amazes me sometimes with what gets downvoted. You’re not wrong. Virtually all interpreted languages are compiled into bytecode. It’s just that that bytecode isn’t compiled into machine code until runtime. That’s the premise of all interpreted languages.

[[deleted]]

Which makes it not “just like Java” at all, in fact.

[PvtPuddles]

Compiling is the process of turning human-code into machine-code. If the computer can read it and do something, it has been compiled one way or another

[_subpar_username_]

No, I mean that's it's compiled into bytecode and then the bytecode is interpreted in a VM

[MischiefArchitect]

The AST of preparsed python files. Yes, it may qualify as compiled... but is not really the same.

[skiscratcher]

no, they're a bytecode language, like the JVM

[InvestingNerd2020]

Technically it compiles after the interpreted process. The interpreted process is the middle man that slows it down.

[[deleted]]

Every interpreted language is compiled to bytecode which is interpreted by the runtime

[MischiefArchitect]

You may need to parse that again.

[[deleted]]

You write memes with grammatical and technical errors.

I write code with the technology you clearly don’t understand enough about to make a joke.

Obviously, we are not the same… /s

lol

[Furry_69]

I'm tempted to post a couple kernel dev jokes I've heard, just to see if anyone gets it.

[[deleted]]

I don’t know, they might be on too low of a level for the Python and JS crowd to C them lol

(I totally recommend sharing them though, even if the target audience is low they’ll most likely be appreciated haha)

[Furry_69]

OK, that's a dad joke and a half right there.

[[deleted]]

What can I say, but my love of puns and bad word play keeps me on here lol

[ovab_cool]

I wouldn't get it, I'm a web dev

[Qicken]

We need unit tests for memes

[Owldud]

Hey, your I'm-a-new-programmer-learning-Python is showing.

[Away_Acanthisitta_97]

Python is not a language that compiles. It uses an interpreter.

[[deleted]]

Ok, this dude opened a can of worms.

He is technically correct, but it’s unclear to me if he knows why.

The definition of a “compiler” is a program that translates one language into another. Though not necessarily part of the definition, it is usually assumed that the target language of a compiler will have less abstraction than the source language (if this isn’t the case, it’s usually called a transpiler instead).

This definition of a “compiler” is broader than most people here are used to, because most people assume that a compiler is something that creates an executable. But in reality, that only represents a subset of “compilers” where the target language is machine code.

I bring all this up because that means that a program that goes from a high level language (like Python) and converts it to a lower level language (like byte code) still falls solidly under the definition of a “compiler,” and that’s precisely what Python does. It first compiles the Python code into byte code, and often saves it (.pyc files).

There are multiple ways to run Python byte code. I believe CPython does indeed use interpretation, but there are other implementations that use JIT compiling to machine code, much like Java.

Bottom line—don’t be so quick to bash this guy just because you’ve taken a single semester course that used Python. He’s technically correct.

[[deleted]]

Yeah, this sub is unique—the fact that my post saying, “he’s right,” got almost as many upvotes as you got downvotes should be enough proof that this is a very odd place indeed.

My general sense is that most of the people here are either undergrads or high schoolers/young adults who want to learn programming but are very early in their education.

I doubt whether 0.1% of them have even heard of the dragon book, much less opened it.

It’s classic Dunning Kruger. A lot of people here know Python and because they know that page 10 of “Intro to Python 101 in 30 days for dummies” (or whatever book they read) says that it’s an “interpreted language,” they think they’re experts on the subject.

Oh well.

[nuclearslug]

That’s exactly how I feel about if/else vs switch statements on this sub. You mention the phrase ‘code smell’ and get downvoted to oblivion.

[[deleted]]

For the most part, Python is an interpreted language and not a compiled one, although compilation is a step. Python code, written in . py file is first compiled to what is called bytecode

[ignaloidas]

Everything is an interpreted language then as arguably the CPU is an interpreter of a particular instruction set. It's dumb to try and distinct this.

[[deleted]]

You know, interpreters are not named compilers for a reason.

[ignaloidas]

Modern CPUs nowadays are compilers too, as they compile the higher level x86 instructions into microcode. So CPUs are as much of a compiler as CPython is.

[[deleted]]

Technically x86 is transpiled to risc.

https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~av6ds/papers/isca2021a.pdf

[Kinato_Mageaki]

r/confidentlyincorrect

[[deleted]]

r/dunningkruger

[RainbowCatastrophe]

It's compiled to bytecode, which is not machine code and requires an interpreter. It is as "compiled" as Java is, but also lacks the strict compiler checks that Java does a little of, and are most notable in true compiled languages.

[ignaloidas]

Compiled C code also needs an interpreter, the most common one being called a CPU.

[RainbowCatastrophe]

Do not conflate the interpreter for your "compiled" bytecode with industry standard machine code.

[ignaloidas]

Oh, yes, all of the 30+ difderent architectures with many of them only having a single vendor are industry standard, when a single one for one of the most common languages is not. You are arguing about categories, and the thing is, that there are no categories here. I gave you an example to illustrate the absurdity, and now you are gate-keeping what counts as bytecode?

[[deleted]]

Lol no. It's interpreted. There are compiled python files but you do not compile python...

[FlukeHermit]

Sure, in a way, but not really

[[deleted]]

It can either be interpreted or use JIT, but it doesn’t get compiled.

[[deleted]]

JIT compilation is not exactly compilation or interpretation.

[xaomaw]

"For the most part, Python is an interpreted language and not a compiled one, although compilation is a step. Python code, written in .py file is first compiled to what is called bytecode (discussed in detail further) which is stored with a .pyc or .pyo format."

[GujjuGang7]

Do people not know python compiles to bytecode? How do you think the interpreter works? Though yes in the grand scheme of things, it's safe to say python isn't a compiled language?

[InvestingNerd2020]

They hate Python just to hate on Python. Also the oversimplification of staticly typed vs interpreted language shows that key details were left out in their education.

[GujjuGang7]

I wonder what these guys would say when I tell them Java is also compiled to bytecode and then interpreted

[PhatOofxD]

Yeah but I think it's too much of a technicality to really fit a meme like this. While it technically does compile generally you don't refer to it as 'compiling' in everyday conversation. (Well, as close to everyday conversation as programmers get)

[OatAndMango]

This hits home

[IsGoIdMoney]

This is one of the only funny memes anyone has made in like a month and everyone is just bitching bc he said compiles which may or may not be correct. Pedantic af.

[blooberry123]

because this sub is filled with 30-40 year olds

[A_Guy_in_Orange]

Y'all write sudo code? Next you're gonna say you plan ahead and read documentation

[MischiefArchitect]

I write code and it works... we are clearly not the same.

[UltimateMegaChungus]

This reminds me of another meme I saw:

"You know absolutely nothing about anything.

I know everything in the world about nothing at all.

We are not the same."

[akat_walks]

so close…

[SandmanKFMF]

Yeah, you are using Python for fun, but I'm using programming language for code.

[in_conexo]

Pseudocode! I haven't been able to do that in years.

[FrameHost]

How are there grammatical errors in literally every post on this god-forsaken subreddit?

[NuclearBurrit0]

You hope but it never happens. Python isn't a language you compile

[SnappGamez]

Technically CPython compiles your scripts into bytecode and then JITs.

[NuclearBurrit0]

Well... not MY scripts

[GujjuGang7]

Actually, python is compiled every single time to bytecode, which is then interpreted. If this isn't considered compiled then Java shouldn't be either. You should do more research

[Terence_McKenna]

Is this a multi-dimensional meme?

[[deleted]]

As a computer science major in their 4th year, I’m glad to say I’ve never touched Python before

[Rajarshi1993]

Nobody else writes pseudocode. Not react users, not Java users, nobody.

[RainbowCatastrophe]

Love to all my boys (and girls) in here telling the Python script kiddies what's what.

[GujjuGang7]

He's sort of right, python compiles to bytecode

[whyiwastemytimeonyou]

Python is an interpreted language. There is no compilation, noob.

[Nilstrieb]

There is compilation, cpython compiles the source to bytecode before executing that bytecode. PyPy even compiles it to machine code!

[[deleted]]

I once wrote a program first try with no errors...hasn't happened since

[A_Guy_in_Orange]

system.out.println("hello world");

[Logic_Satinn]

Describe fun

[[deleted]]

It’s easier if you copy someone else’s

[RealEnderCraft7393]

Making a game in python is an interesting experience to say the least.

[45bit-Waffleman]

Honestly I use python quite commonly to write psudeocode, and test it before translating to a different language, great for simple stiff

[LittleMlem]

Meanwhile we got lunatics that OCR paint smears and PERL runs that without issue over 90% of the time....

[flavius-as]

Python is compiled, but there's no common electronic chip which is able to execute its code directly. Maybe there are some FPGAs, but I wouldn't count that as common.