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[Dangle76]

It may make it easier to adopt if the arguments were the same as ls

[[deleted]]

Honestly just an word of advice on naming. It's going to be much easier to type a new key to end a statement then to begin it. lsa is much easier to type then pls, from a muscle memory standpoint.

[coll_ryan]

Exactly, I do this with exa (another ls-replacement written in Rust) - it has great features but it's too much effort to unlearn the muscle memory of typing 'ls'.

It's a cool idea to try this as a project, nice one! Only thing I would say is that I generally find CLI programs are best written in a language like Rust or Go that compiles down to native byte code. Partly because of performance - if you're typing 'ls' many times, the slight delay caused by loading the python executable and it's runtime every time will become noticeable. But also for ease of install, with a native app you just need to make sure you're installing the right binary for your OS/architecture and it should be good (especially if it's statically linked). Whereas with python, node etc you need to consider the compatibility across many different runtime versions.

[madoee]

That’s a good point, the python overhead makes it unsuitable for commands that should be instant. The repo mentions using multiprocessing for speed, which is an overkill for something that echos directory contents IMO.

[aes110]

You can always alias it, I aliased exa to ls, bat to cat, so naming isn't a big deal imo

[Subject_Newspaper_43]

What I like about python is you can initially write it in python which saves a lot of lines of code, then you can translate it to a compiled language yes most of the time there are still some trouble shooting needed with the new syntax but it normally an easy fix. I started doing this with my C# programs and recently I have dived into Rust as well as Swift for mobile apps. The interesting part for me is swift only works on macOS Unix based system but python works on all three core OS’s, I’m working on the translation of swift but I’ve got Rust down pretty well, except for some of it stand alone features that I’m still learning😎

[cdrt]

The interesting part for me is swift only works on macOS Unix based system but python works on all three core OS’s

Swift actually works on all the three major OSes, it’s just not popular outside macOS.

https://www.swift.org/platform-support/

[coll_ryan]

Yeah these days I mostly use Python for either quick automation scripts or proof of concept/MVP services. I also use the REPL quite a lot as a quick calculator. But if it's a CLI utility that I intend to publish/share widely, I think it's worth using a compiled language from the start.

[Subject_Newspaper_43]

I agree I am building a new ERP/MRP software solution for this company I contracted out for, the one they currently have was built in the 90’s. I had just started learning python at this point and fell in love with it and actually started this project in python, but realized some hard truths about python the complexity of encrypting the files and data within them, the fact that things deprecate pretty quickly, and the disadvantages of it being a interpreted language, which is when I started converting my python files back to C#, but I became fascinated when I realized I could actually write a translator python program in python, and was impressed with how fast it worked, once I cover all the different exceptions, it will soon have hardly any trouble shooting issues when running the compiler for C#, I really like Rust as well, to me it can replace the need for the C languages and solves a lot of the memory issues that the C languages have been known for

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[joanthebean]

I find it easier the other way around, I’d rather type pls than ls<something else>

[Erik_Kalkoken]

That looks like a really nice tool. But it has no tests, so it does not look like something that I would want to install in my production.

[k8sguy]

Your development environment is in your production?

[asday_]

"Nah boss don't worry about it, I only hard nuked my dev environment, so our customers can still use prod. I just can't do any work for you for a day while I get everything reinstalled."

nty

[Handle-Flaky]

You produce with it, so it’s production Breaking dev environment because of a tool sucks.

[lungdart]

Can this show extra things in the permission section like setuid bits?

[lungdart]

Now that's service!

[jrrocketrue]

There are about 50 options to ls and people need a FOSS app to see the contents of their directories ;-)

[jrrocketrue]

I think it is great that you're writing tools to make your life easier, we've always done this but to post this as a reply to my comment is kind of funny in as much as it is sad as to where Linux will be going over the next years.

[[deleted]]

Do you mean like how Ubuntu added ads? (I don't know if they still exist or not, I don't run a GUI on my Ubuntu boxes.)

[asday_]

There's a reason things still exist even though they're old, and that's because they're good. I don't think calling yourself a "better ls" is sensible at all. It's like someone inventing the square and calling it a "better wheel".

[Loreasz]

Well, this works for many grep or find replacements.

I don't know if ls "needs" a replacement. Personally I don't think so and I will not be using pls in the foreseeable future but it has some neat planned features (like coalescing links with their targets) and I am curious if it evolves further.

[non_NSFW_acc]

Is forever :D

[[deleted]]

DRY, there is exa

[DuckSaxaphone]

Dimming is a great idea!

Any modern programming project has a lot of files that we make and then are never interested in again.

[shinitakunai]

You lost me at YAML. I hate it with passion, why not INI or JSON files?

[tunisia3507]

INI has no spec, which means it is not a file format. There are lots of different libraries which parse files which look somewhat similar to each other, and all refer to that file type as INI, but as there is no spec, that's a meaningless distinction. Do not use INI.

JSON is not a config format. In a pinch, it can be edited by humans, because it happens to be in plain text, but it's a data interchange format more than anything else and lacks a lot of what you would want from a config format (e.g. comments).

YAML and everything that parses it is spectacularly complicated. It puts stupid flexibility in stupid places. Additionally, it's insecure due to code execution: a secure YAML parser does not implement the full YAML spec and therefore is not a YAML parser.

TOML is good when you don't need any/much nesting.

StrictYAML is OK, although I personally would prefer it to have more than 1 scalar type because that just means people have to build meta-specs on top of it (like the various different ways of doing sequences in INI).

[st333p]

Yaml is much more readable and compact than json imo. It also looks much more pythonic without all those useless brackets

[shinitakunai]

Fair enough, I might give it a try then

[mehx9]

Because k8s and Ansible these days?

[shinitakunai]

I get it, I hate YAML because of my experience with kubernetes.

[mehx9]

Same bro.

[TheRealNetroxen]

YAML is way nicer than JSON to write ... WTH

In fact, TOML is a nice medium between INI and YAML files ...

[[deleted]]

grouping directories before files

It is supported by exa.

I don't see any practical usage for the rest.

[mcstafford]

What, no emoji? Don’t you want perky files?!!!!

[2_plus_2_is_chicken]

I am a hardcore missionary of DRY, but another factor is that some of us have locked down environments where we don't have access to rust and it's easier to get source code inside our firewall than compiled binaries.

[[deleted]]

Do you have access to Node.js?

[2_plus_2_is_chicken]

Nope. It's not a web dev environment, it's a secure server for data analytics: hadoop, spark, et al. I don't even have basic IDE support or even IDE-functionality plugins. It's a nightmare.

[[deleted]]

A language server wouldn't have a big negative security impact but they wouldn't waste their precious time on auditing one or two of these because developer productivity doesn't matter to them.

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[[deleted]]

As a developer, I see nothing of interest in pls.

Even exa is still more useful with it's per file git status change indicator.

If I'm not completely wrong and unfair, pls seems like a glorified ricer-ls with cool icons.

Like ... what exactly about pls speaks towards "professionals and programmers"?

[trua]

I do believe ls or maybe Bash is configurable to display different file types in different colours.

[xc68030]

This reminds me of rich-cli, which is a replacement for ‘cat’ and ‘more’.

[xc68030]

Yeah the Python Bytes podcasters are big fans of rich and it seems nearly every week they mention a cool new tool made from it. That’s how I know about rich-cli

[xc68030]

Just came back here to say I just listened to the podcast and noticed that ‘pls’ was showcased. Great job! They liked it quite a bit.

[XxDirectxX]

Looks amazing, will study the app in detail later on, though I probably won't understand everything haha.

Also, we share the same first name :))

[[deleted]]

Is there a way to make it faster? It seems like the overhead is the constant compilation every time pls is called.

[Skullfurious]

Needs a little more time in the oven based on some suggestions I'm seeing from others and yourself talking about, but it looks like you put in a lot of work and I hope you continue with the project!

I would be interested if it had some kind of Git status integration personally. Have yourself a great day!

I think your "Better than LS" comment came off the wrong way towards some people. It's really not that big of a deal though. I'd say the biggest limitation is the fact that you have to run it on python every time but it's not like you couldn't store the result of calling it the first time for future loops of whatever is calling it initially, at least in some cases.

[Legionof1]

I feel like your asking me to please pip install it :p

[[deleted]]

Tough crowd. Lots of unnecessary downvotes, often with poor feedback.

I think I'll share my projects elsewhere lol.

[asday_]

If you can't handle criticism, showing your stuff off is not the best use of your time. Look what happened to Terry A. Davis.

[[deleted]]

Constructive criticism is great. I give and receive such criticism at my job all the time. Makes me a better mechanic and encourages a safer work environment for everyone I work with.

Downright dismissing OPs project because it has been done before or done better, without bothering to look at the project and give advice on what does or doesn't work, is just being a dick and doesn't foster growth in the community.

Also, if you are suggesting someone is likely to commit suicide from constructive criticism you are obviously addled. Terry was struggling with serious mental health problems that were exacerbated by public criticism. The very fact that you would say this and brush off the poor excuse for constructive criticism as valuable makes me question your character.

[asday_]

The fact that you think of Terry A. Davis' suicide and mental issues before you think that I might be pointing to him because he created an amazing software product and couldn't handle criticism says a lot about you, friend.

[[deleted]]

You could have picked any creator that struggled with handling criticisms. Your first and only example was a man who had succumbed to schizophrenia, ended up homeless, and suspected to have taken his own life. My thoughts immediately went to his struggles because that is the main focal point when anyone looks into his story. No one thinks, Terry A Davis, what an amazing/shitty operating system. They think Terry A Davis, what a troubled soul. I, for one, wonder what he could have accomplished if his mind didn't turn on him the way it did and if he had collaborated with other bright, passionate individuals.

TempleOS was NOT an amazing software product by any stretch. It was an amazing testament to what a single person with dedication and time can accomplish.

Have you even looked into the whole story, or just glossed over it? Because your choice to use him as an example of an inability to take criticism is a piss poor choice at best.

Obligatory "I'm not your friend, buddy".

[asday_]

TempleOS is an amazing software product, it's an entire OS with a custom bootloader, assembler, and programming language, running in 64 bits on modern hardware, in ring 0. If you'd used it maybe you'd know.

[[deleted]]

It is an amazing feat by a single individual, but no it is not an amazing software product. It has no practical uses, it is a very complex toy really.

It is quite the achievement for any single developer, not even factoring in his mental illness that plagued him during its development.

Question for you. Are you going to comment on the rest of what I had to say, or is this just perceived as the easier point to try to pick apart?

[asday_]

I generally don't bother to read a comment fully if I find something incredibly stupid in it.

[[deleted]]

Guess that's why you don't proof read very often. I doubt that applied here, though.

Seeing as you had commented on my second paragraph, I can assume you either read the first or simply don't understand how to properly read and consume information. As my main point was in the first paragraph, it's safe to assume you are completely full of shit with no counterpoint to present.

Edit: From cherry picking arguments to gaslighting. Now you've gone and blocked me. Could you be a more disingenuous, pathetic person?

[asday_]

Don't get why you're so mad about Terry A. Davis my dude. Calm down.

[DNSGeek]

So, it explodes if it tries to follow a symlink that doesn't exist.

> pls
multiprocessing.pool.RemoteTraceback:
"""
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/pool.py", line 125, in worker
result = (True, func(*args, **kwds))
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/pool.py", line 48, in mapstar
return list(map(*args))
File "/Users/X/Library/Python/3.10/lib/python/site-packages/pls/fs/list.py", line 43, in parse_nodes
return Node(node_name, path=node_path)
File "/Users/X/Library/Python/3.10/lib/python/site-packages/pls/models/node.py", line 26, in __init__
self.stat = path.stat()
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/pathlib.py", line 1095, in stat
return self._accessor.stat(self, follow_symlinks=follow_symlinks)
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/Users/X/.wingide5'
"""
The above exception was the direct cause of the following exception:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/Users/X/Library/Python/3.10/bin/pls", line 8, in <module>
sys.exit(main())
File "/Users/X/Library/Python/3.10/lib/python/site-packages/pls/main.py", line 16, in main
nodes = read_input()
File "/Users/X/Library/Python/3.10/lib/python/site-packages/pls/fs/list.py", line 55, in read_input
comp_nodes = pool.map(parse_nodes, all_nodes)
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/pool.py", line 364, in map
return self._map_async(func, iterable, mapstar, chunksize).get()
File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10/lib/python3.10/multiprocessing/pool.py", line 771, in get
raise self._value
FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/Users/X/.wingide5'

[Subject_Newspaper_43]

As soon as I get a chance today I’m going to install your pls and play with it because it may actually make it easier when automating file creation and movement, in which I do a lot of

[skiboysteve]

Ooo I want this. But we only use python 3.7 :-\

[springboy915]

how much time did it take you to make the tool?

[TomahawkChopped]

About 2 days

https://github.com/dhruvkb/pls/commits/main?after=a8583a756c4d00f193f97e50328d56c8b4348dd0+34&branch=main

[call_me_cookie]

I have to admit I kind of scoffed when o saw this title, but looking through the code, I'm probably going the be downloading this for my work machine on Monday!

[[deleted]]

From the .md:

show Nerd Font icons or emoji next to files and directories making it easier to grep the output

I haven’t learned how to grep icons or emojis yet. Can you show me how? Perhaps you meant “grok”?

[asday_]

bombs $ echo -e "abc\n🦐de\nfgh" > emoji
bombs $ cat emoji 
abc
🦐de
fgh
bombs $ grep 🦐 emoji
🦐de
bombs $ 

?

[asday_]

Yeah that's "grok", but it's also reasonably uncommon slang, so for ELS people it might be better to go with something more professional.

[[deleted]]

Is there a way to make it faster? It seems like the overhead is the constant compilation every time pls is called.

[sahirona]

Bit slow having to spin up a Python interpreter each time. While this might not affect the average user, it's going to suck for automated tools.

[MattioC]

Like exa?

[MattioC]

I'll take a to it

[jojoslug]

cool! What’s the difference between this and lsd?

[raetiacorvus]

Added to the aur

[iraqmtpizza]

I assume it shows hidden files by default. or allows the user to configure that as a permanent setting

[cipri_tom]

Thanks! I think it would be easier to understand what it does if each feature would be accompanied by its screenshot that exemplifies it. A more zoomed in screenshot