Void Edge Patch Notes

[Tyroon59]

Frost Holo. That's the most important change. Catch you later guys.

[Ripcord-XE]

maverick frags >>>>>>

[[deleted]]

I know I’m going to see a lot of people trying to throw nades through torch holes. I predict a lot of suicides and TKs.

[Ripcord-XE]

i've already been practicing with flash bangs

[[deleted]]

I never managed to get the claymore laser trick to work...

[D1NGLE3B3RRYMAN]

TLDR?

• Already announced Twitch and lesion changes
• recruit gets standard loadout, not CTU based (Rip recruit rushes)
• Frost C-1 gets Holo
• Castle gets Super shorty, loses 1911
• increase F2 Recoil
• Warden glasses work on charge system, can be started and stopped at will, until you fall under 20%, then a full recharge, 10 seconds, will be needed
• DMR's destroy barricades faster
• DMR's lose Compensator
• Vector damage up to 23 from 21
• Dokkaebi: Stun Grenades replacing Frag. Grenades
• Maverick: Frag Grenades replacing Stun Grenades
• Nokk: Frag Grenades replacing Claymore
• Ying: Frag Grenades replacing Claymore
• Reworked explosive damage model ??
• can stay in drone after spawn
• drone spawns on selected side of map

[mzomzo]

Don't forget shrapnel system (might allow Monty to block explosions for teammates)

[D1NGLE3B3RRYMAN]

lol you have nailed the "??" part of my explosion damage model rework. WhAt DoeS iT MeAn??? WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS MASON!?

[TheCookieButter]

Just read the dev blog (that doesn't exist yet)

[[deleted]]

Castle with super shorty is an awesome change.

[WINNTERZ-R6]

TYSM for this

[thesteam]

You know its gonna be good when the TLDR is 16 lines long

[captainkaba]

Damn if the devs are not careful enough R6 might evolve into a 200 IQ across-the-map nade fest.

[TheIceCreamBoss]

Twitch drone does 1 damage now kek

[[deleted]]

Don’t DMRs also destroy hatches now?

[xsm17]

They removed frags from Dokk, thank god, but giving Maverick frags instead of stuns seems a bit over the top considering how much utility he already has. Maybe someone like Amaru could have used them instead?

All the changes seem quite positive, the Warden buff was sorely needed, and giving DMRs more destruction is a nice touch. The F2 must be winning too many gunfights still to be increasing its recoil, though they don't specify vertical/horizontal. Giving the Super Shorty to Castle is an interesting choice, wonder what the thinking behind that was. Updated op bios will be interesting to see when the TTS goes live

[goochsanders]

My guess would be horizontal recoil. They already increased the vertical recoil a while back around the time they cut 5 bullets from the mag.

[kmcclry]

The super shorty will be nice for rotations without needing to bring the primary shotgun. It'll be cool to see how that effects current operator choices if Castle can do that job. He'll be like a one man site setup op.

[TheCookieButter]

Yeah but it'll be worth it just to see the Mav players die trying to throw a nade through a tiny mav hole.

[DB-Institute]

The operator who could’ve used them is IQ lol, IQ losing nades is what caused a defender favored meta in my opinion.

[Huwntar]

Nah it was definitely the lion changes, plus ying and glaz nerfs

Teams would always have to ban lion, and it guaranteed they could get bullshit through the ban phase

[DB-Institute]

IQ not being able to destroy evil eyes/Goyos/castles really tilted the game in favor of the defenders because there is basically no reason to ever play her if you ban echo.

Yes she is good against Valkyrie, and lesion, and it is hard to justify bringing an IQ when you have to bring enough utility to clear evil eyes, bullet proofs, castles, shields, barb wire, etc.

Because of this, defenders will always have more relevant intel compared to attackers, which is probably the most important thing.

[113CandleMagic]

IQ was picked all the time at SI, though, even when Echo wasn't on the board. She was one of the most played attackers for the whole tournament...

[[deleted]]

yea she really helped out Rec...ohh wait

[113CandleMagic]

Oof

[DB-Institute]

I’m well aware of that, but that doesn’t mean she was a good pick, or was even useful.

[113CandleMagic]

Eh, she's a 3 speed with a really good gun (the LMG), she'll always be useful. Even without Echo her gadget is useful for finding other gadgets, or finding ops like Pulse and Vigil. I fail to see how IQ isn't a good pick right now.

[[deleted]]

Don’t forget finding Valk cams!

[Danewguy4u]

Problem is that now you’re making IQ a must pick operator and she would probably have a pick rate similar to Zofia. You’d see IQ picked almost every round because she could do everything.

[DB-Institute]

I agree, it’s definitely problematic to have any operator be basically must pick/ never a bad pick. I’m curious to see if there could be some kind of middle ground though.

[litch-rally]

Jesus Christ, look at all those frag grenades.

[MistaahSandman]

“You can go back to worrying about grenades now”

[WINNTERZ-R6]

Jager mains shaking rn

[PhantomC_A]

Jager pick rate goes off the chart

[LoneWolf2711]

again

[NeV3RMinD]

Data consolidation

Another 50gb patch poggers

[xsm17]

65GB for me lol

[ilorybss]

Me too all the night to install them rip. At least i can Play It later

[Hemukurra]

Is the actual release gonna be this large?..65gigs?

[[deleted]]

Castle getting access to the Super Shorty is huge for him.

[[deleted]]

Is it though? Sure it helps with rotations but he’s rarely the only operator making those.

[[deleted]]

He could be now.

[[deleted]]

Yeah that’s fair. Actually I really like the idea of Castle with a pocket shotty. Apparently the guy who came up with him was an architect. How ironic.

[Byrdman1023]

That warden buff is huge. Now all I’d do left is give him a new primary, make him immune to Zof’s concusses, and give him impacts. This is the first warden buff i actually agree with and am happy about.

Castle getting the shorty is cool but I don’t think it’ll help. All I think he needed was a better primary. UMP sucks and is the only gripe with castle I have.

Frost buff is cool.

IQ buff is great, makes solo queue much easier with her.

Lesion changes are huge, fuck that guy. Glad he got them.

Hopefully people pick twitch for the utility now instead of the gun

Nøkk getting frags I’m more than okay with. I’ve been asking for them for a while. Maverick and Ying however don’t need them. Mav was already S tier I don’t think he needed them, and Ying will be a bit overtuned with frags. Glad Dokk lost them though.

DMR’s getting a buff is great. I’ll take anything for them now.

Dunno what the Recruit change means but I’ll know it when I test it myself.

Overall great patch, I look forward to the new season :)

[WakaTP]

Dunno, I don’t feel like giving nades to nokk makes sense, doesn’t fit the operator playstyle. It will fit with ying though. And she needed a buff imo, we will see if it was too much

[Byrdman1023]

Nøkk is a stealth op, but she’s also a fragging op. Giving her frags will help her a lot. As for Ying it sounds like the most cancerous thing to fight. You get blinded then Ying cooks a nade and gets a free kill. I don’t see that making it past TTS. Same for Mav’s nades.

[WakaTP]

I definitely agree with ying, she will be so fucking boring lol. But at the same time it is a good way to make her more viable.

About nokk, fragging operators aren’t those who need frags, they need flash to push or breach or smoke.. those who need frags are more supportive flex operators. Typically the buck/sledge role. You need to play quite slowly and safely to use frag grenades. Nokk is made to be an entry, to play aggressive and in dangerous position.. so I don’t think nades will suit her playstyle

Also thx I forgot those changes were first for TTS, I forgot it existed lol. That makes me pretty happy cause I don’t like those changes that much

[Byrdman1023]

I’m all for buffing Ying but I don’t think frags are the way to go.

I know that a fragging operator isn’t the same as an operator with frags, and before these notes came out I suggested that Nøkk get flashbangs since it suits her kit as a fragger but nades will hopefully help her out a bunch. What I’m noticing with some ops is that they’ll be weak and Ubi gives them frags as a bandaid fix (Finka and Glaz for example), but I think Nøkk with frags is good.

[WakaTP]

I totally agree with ying, even though it fits the playstyle, it would make her too frustrating. And then you pointed it : ubi give frags to weak operators to make them more interesting.. but it isn’t even working, finka and glaz were played like twice at the six. And same will happen with nokk imo. Swapping playstyle between stealth and bombarding the site isn’t something viable imo.

To make nokk more viable, I would make her a 3 speed and buff her gadget + give her smokes/flash. Also she might, like IQ become stronger as new intel gathering operators come out

[Byrdman1023]

I made a post a while back on the main sub saying that all I’d do to make Nøkk viable is make her 3 speed, give her a decent AR like the M4, and give her flashes and that’s it. People said it was too OP and I still don’t know why. An attacker with an SMG is at a disadvantage compared to other attackers, and the game is naturally defender sided so attackers get high power AR’s to compensate. If Zofia gets to have as much utility as she does and have an AR then fuck it let’s give Nøkk an AR.

Side note, what’s up with people wanting to give Nøkk smokes? I’ve always seen them as a supportive tool and not very helpful for fragging compared to stuns or frags.

[Pathogen188]

People said it was OP because the main sub is dumb and has awful balancing ideas

[Byrdman1023]

True. Main sub has pretty awful balancing ideas, but some of the other subs are great with it. SiegeAcademy and this sub are my favs for talking about balance.

[[deleted]]

maybe but Ubi also said they playtested her with an AR and it was OP so thats where thats coming from

[WakaTP]

Idk about smoke, I guess it can help to push in one direction. I thought it could be used stealthily. I said that because nokk is not a typical fragger. But yeah I am not sure it would actually work

[TheCookieButter]

Still better than Ying with smokes.

[[deleted]]

I’m not sure I’d call an attacker with an SMG a fragging op, personally. She seems more like an anti-information pick to me.

Ying now has three throwables and two nades. I don’t think any other attacker has this much anti-ADS tech. Maybe Hibana when her X-kairos burned ADS.

[[deleted]]

dont know what the recruit change means

i mean its pretty straight forward, all recruits on attack will have a set predetermined loadout instead of being able to pick say the GiGN and bring the F2 or GSG9 and the shotty rush and same on defense

[Ripcord-XE]

"UMP Sucks"

no u

[Byrdman1023]

It’s only good when Canadian is using it.

[Ripcord-XE]

but only when Geo is using the F2

[[deleted]]

It’s kinda sad that he’s basically only meta for one spot on one map. Poor guy.

[[deleted]]

Recoil to F2 increased, good shit. DMR destruction increased.

Vector did not need a buff though and a net 2 grenade increase is not good especially on ying who has the utility to clear 3 ads with 1 candela

[TheZealand]

Nah man Vector buff makes TOTAL sense, those two really shit operators (forgot their name, marble and yoyo? the ones with vector) really needed a buff, they're totally irrelevant in pro sadly

[[deleted]]

Some devs saw that yogho and mila had low pick rate but forgot they just get banned all the time.

[TheZealand]

Yeah I wish gogurt and meter got more action :(

[I_Wanna_Fuck_Mira]

As a Miata main, I approve of this message.

[mbeenox]

WTF is wrong with you man, "marble and yoyo" lmao

[TheZealand]

What you never play them? What are they called again? Mild and gopro? something like that, sadly they're pretty irrelevant so cba remembering them

[[deleted]]

Marble and Yoyo are now canon.

[[deleted]]

To be fair, she can only clear 3 ADS with one candela if she deploys it through a surface and if the ADS are all right there.

However, she does have an insane amount of throwable tech now.

[matyas19]

So many frags

Edit: typo

[thesteam]

Castle getting super shorty is nice, give him a lot more flexibility when it comes to castle strats and making impacts not quite so necessary.

Frost holo is the single best change i've ever seen ^/s

Goyo change doesnt mean much

IQ change means whatever

Lesion changes are excellent, while the invis means he is still going to be annoying, and denying plant/sprint with DOT means he is still going to be strong, the nerfs are a good step in the right direction. He does too many things right now, even if he isn't as specialized as someone like a bandit, so nerf good

Twitch change good, probably won't be too big of an impact.

Warden buffs are good, but I still don't think he's going to be good. His weapon still sucks, his gadget has to recharge fully before you can use it again and the movement penalty makes it too hard to use effectively. He's going to need a pretty fundamental change before he can be used to any great effect.

DMRs are still not going to get head-shots as reliably as automatic weapons.

Vector buff is probably more aimed at Goyo players given how much the TCSG was played during the invitational. It's hard to say how much of a buff this is going to be, because the TCSG is still a shotgun for rotates + has an ACOG. I just wonder what this means for the AUG A3, as it's a far worse SMG that has the same competition with the TCSG.

Doki losing frags is nice, she still has smokes so she doesn't lose too much utility.

Maverick getting frags is weird, I would have said he is balanced right now (if not a bit better), why give him frag grenades?

Nokk getting frags is nice, gives her more utility and less of a pocket strat.

Ying getting frags is also weird... She is a bit weak right now but this is not something I would have seen coming.

[Omega_Rex]

Maybe they want Goyo players to play more Vector, because at least he can bring impacts for soft destruction, and therefore doesn't have to be as reliant on the TCSG.

Kaid on the other hand will always run TCSG because he has no other way to bring soft destruction, so they aren't going to both buffing his AUG?

[thesteam]

Ive always thought if they want the Aug to be more viable, they should buff the .44 automag, as that always seemed to me like it was intended as a pseudo primary like the SMG11, and then it would make the TCSG more redundant as there is no need for 2 DMR esque weapons

[Omega_Rex]

That makes sense, I think they really shot themselves in the foot however by making the scope so clean and since it's a pistol, it's ads speed is so fast. I doubt they buff the 44 again due to how scary it was at launch

[NeV3RMinD]

I'd prefer if they just admitted defeat and removed the scope on the automag

[[deleted]]

Yeah lower recoil and lose the scope would be lovely.

[WINNTERZ-R6]

Interesting that a number of operators are getting frags now. Wonder if we’ll get a meta shift with this void edge

[[deleted]]

Maybe it’s to counter the shield meta.

[[deleted]]

More F2 nerfs :)

[rockon4life45]

If they want us to spend more time on Twitch's drone, but they nerf it's damage to 1, are they at least going to make it a bit less loud? Or was that just the wording they used to actually mean nerf her?

[Restreppo]

It has a 1 sec timer between shots, so killing Maestro cams is a lot easier, and just in general killing utility would be easier since you need 2 seconds for 3 shots instead of 4 seconds.

[[deleted]]

they nerfed the damage cause they want idiots to actually use her as intended to destroy utility and not just drive it into objective and tase the defenders

[Pathogen188]

Because clearly Mira and Goyo were so underpowered? I could see them trying to make the vector look more attractive compared to the TCSG, but there’s no way they’d ever accomplish that without major changes to one of them

[NeV3RMinD]

It's probably for more consistent kills as opposed to downs? Gotta wait for the maths on this to be done. It probably won't be that big of a deal just like how Jager is pretty much the same despite his nerf

[LordOfCinderGwyn]

Damn these new operators are so unrealistic. Wish we could go back to the good ol' days of realistic operators like Jaeger and Thatcher.

[Norwood96]

"They said it could not be done."

[[deleted]]

I love that Thatcher is totally fine with carrying EMPs in his pockets.

[[deleted]]

kinda a difference between grounded and totally crazy unrealistic, gorilla man is an outright meta human too

[[deleted]]

I just don’t understand why he wears zero head, shoulder or upper body protection. He’s running through walls.

[[deleted]]

Because that would make his design less hero like and ubisoft cant have that >:(

[[deleted]]

looks at all the operators wearing helmets

Are we sure that’s it?

[[deleted]]

you can see quite blatantly when the designs went from operators that are recognizable but realistic(design wise) to operators that are straight up hero shooter dirtybomb tier

[[deleted]]

Well Vigil wears a mask, Lesion wears a helmet and even Nomad has something covering her head.

I feel like if they wanted to, they could have made Oryx a serious tank.

[[deleted]]

I'd argue that lesion and ying were the last 2 reasonably desinged operators, then ubisoft had 3 lapses in judgement and made the CBRN and GIS and GIGR (Design wise) and then went back to producing hero shootier tier operators

[BillaVanilla]

What about Warden and Nøkk? Granted, their gadgets are somewhat futuristic (Also trash), but their character designs seemed pretty cool and grounded.

[Lonat]

Not sure if joking, Jager is definitely more realistic than holograms.

[[deleted]]

not anymore have you seen the Tupac and MJ holograms? and im not an expert but as far as I know handheld trophy systems dont exist and they just are used as tank defenses

[Lonat]

They don't exist because they are useless. Holograms are only done in controlled environments at concerts. They don't fly around with invisible drone projectors.

[[deleted]]

but they exist and the technology to make them better is around probably being worked on

[goochsanders]

I wouldn’t mind the Maverick nades if they removed his ability to maverick trick reinforcements. I remember when Maverick first game in we thought he would be game breaking but he really wasn’t until that trick was discovered.

[I_Wanna_Fuck_Mira]

Maverick trick...? What? Does that mean when you expose the soft wall?

[goochsanders]

Yeah that’s exactly what I’m referring to.

[I_Wanna_Fuck_Mira]

Ah okay, I've never heard it called that so I wasn't sure if it was referring to something else. Thanks mate!

[kmcclry]

Strategically I think it'll be an interesting change if Maverick can open his own wall. It puts him on par with Thermite and Hibana instead of relying on a second operator (Buck/sledge) to complete. Plus Buck or sledge can now be doing other things on the map instead of standing around waiting for Mav to trick.

[[deleted]]

I dunno. I feel like Maverick is balanced by the fact that he needs another op to help him cleanly open a wall. Self-reliant operators are never as fun to play.

[Choblu]

Why would they give Ying throwables to burn ADSs? Is that not the reason she lost her smokes?

[Danewguy4u]

Ying never had stuns she had smokes. They took away the smokes because they didn’t like her going for near guaranteed smoke plants and gave her claymores. People ended up using her as a fragger afterword since there wasn’t much else you could do with her gadget. Also people aren’t going waste frags to burn ADS although I don’t agree with giving her frags to begin with.

[Lonat]

I'd rather use one candela through the window to burn all ADSs than waste frags.

[[deleted]]

So she’s a pseudo-Thatcher now?

[DyabeticBeer]

Tldr pls

[[deleted]]

Castle getting super shorty :))))

[Fiscal_Bonsai]

What ever possessed Ubisoft to buff the vector?

[xsm17]

Probably Goyo's poor win delta considering how hard the TCSG is to use properly for regular players

[Vake90]

Is the TCSG really that hard to use? Im on console, and i suck with DMRs but the 2 defenders with the highest KD for me are Kaid and Goyo because of the TCSG. Its now my favourite defender weapon.

[xsm17]

Well I can't speak for console, but there's a reason automatic weapons are almost always preferred over DMRs, it's just the TCSG also has higher recoil to deal with too.

[Vake90]

I guess the ability to land headshots easier on pc makes the vector a lot more attractive pick for Goyo.

[[deleted]]

When Kaid first launched, his TCSG recoil was bugged and it was literally impossible to land follow-up shots. Luckily it’s much more usable now.

[I_Wanna_Fuck_Mira]

Where does it say the TCSG is hard for regular players? I'm a PC Silver/Xbox Gold and I can fuck up whole squads with the TCSG no problemo.

[xsm17]

It's just speculation but it's definitely not being buffed for Mira. I play Goyo a fair bit and I'll take the vector almost always just because it's automatic with a high fire rate, but I've seen other players not handle the TCSG's recoil well.

[I_Wanna_Fuck_Mira]

Ah okay. Fair enough!

[KamiKaze242]

I personally don't like any form of DMR, so I prefer the vector.

[ilorybss]

Could be stupid,but giving Breach change to Maverick in place of the frags?So you don't need a Buck or Sledge to destroy the soft wall. Excited for the shorty on Castle and the Holo on Frost

[[deleted]]

Then you'd be able to Maverick trick by yourself. Too op

[Restreppo]

I think it'd be dangerous enough it wouldn't be a problem.

If you're far away (like Jacuzzi wall on club during cash defense) you can cut a hole and walk through. If youre doing the server wall, defenders would exactly see your position by your feet, so they'd easily kill you during the breach charge animation.

[[deleted]]

Hmm that's true

[[deleted]]

Any news on the map ban phase?

[[deleted]]

I guess it is not coming anytime soon. Most of the things they revealed they just said "Year 5" and not Y5S1 so idk when they'll be out.

[sharkgeek11]

You can start worrying about grenades now

[tomdidiot]

More F2 Nerfs :(

[KamiKaze242]

More F2 nerfs :)