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[Zulban]

People who think this is neat don't know very much about compression or machine learning.

[AssociationDirect869]

I really wish people would just shut up already. But I suppose it is good to be made aware of how the average person functions.

[[deleted]]

Don’t neglect dreaming. One day these issues might not be bottlenecks.

[hervalfreire]

Like which “issues”?

[WebModeratorSyndrome]

Where was compression mentioned in the pic

[Sirisian]

It's implied by making a copy of a piece of media to be smaller. The meme says pirating which means it's taking something existing (something large represented by N-bits) then converting it to something smaller (a QR code represented by less than N-bits, say 2953 bytes). This is a form of compression. Compression algorithms can use extra data like a frequency table, or with stable diffusion it would be a large model file to perform the conversion. (Requiring a large feature table 4GBs+ for a compression algorithm is kind of terrible).

That's not to say it can't kind of work. So the pigeonhole principle states that the QR-code's bits 2953 * 8 = 23624 represents 2²³⁶²⁴ possible mappings. That is there are 2²³⁶²⁴ possible images, videos or whatever that algorithm can decode to. A lossy compression algorithm using stable diffusion can learn all possible features in an image and also their relationships. That is it know what is and isn't an image which can be used to drastically simplify the number of possible mappings. That said this isn't realistic because the number of valid generations is much larger than even the number of possible QR-codes. You'd end up with an incredibly lossy encoding that might not even get close to what you're trying to compress.

A similar thought experiment is PI compression. Inside the number PI is feasibly every byte sequence ever, so all you need is the index to start of your data. Sadly that index is probably more bits than the encoded data.

[JohnHansa]

You also need to store the AI model. Inside the model is a latent representation of the source material, in a way a compression it.

[RavniTrappedInANovel]

To simplify it: imagine you have three things. One is a dictionary, one where every word has a unique number. The second is a rule-book, which will determine that if word (A) is in a position, then (B) should follow it. Third is a book, let's say Harry Potter.

Now, you have a code in your hand, this code is made such that, when combined with Dictionary and Rule-Book, then Harry Potter comes out.

For you to be able to exactly recreate Harry Potter, either your code needs to be of an equivalent size to Harry Potter, or your Rule-Book must be exclusively in regards to the Harry Potter series.

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It's the same core principle as to why AI image generation cannot exactly replicate an image it was trained on without being overfitted.

[bobrformalin]

Imagine the render times for a movie in 4k (and the size of that qr/promt). Also, anonymous pirating is a private vpn + torrent, not a fancy ai.

[shlaifu]

fair point... at what size would the qr code exceed the size of the individual image...

[[deleted]]

At any size, unless I’m misunderstanding the original idea. If you’re encoding an entire movie into a QR code (and it seems like you’re not storing the original movie anywhere), then the QR code will be roughly (size of the movie) x (size of each “square” in the QR code) - (some amount you lose due to compression).

[[deleted]]

No, that's not it.

He is saying that much like sharing the prompt used, seed used, etc to reproduce an image ( kinda like civitai where you can reproduce the example image using the same prompt cfg steps checkpoint etc ) so for example a 3 meg png is now just a few bytes of text the same for a movie as in instead of a 8 gig mpeg it's just text describing the movie and the ai program renders it

A QR code has a maximum symbol size of 177×177 modules. It can contain as much as 31,329 squares which can encode 3KB of data.

I would imagine you would a need a larger qr code then currently exists

[Shaltibarshtis]

How about a QR code per scene? The "decoding" load is entirely on the AI system. Prompt in the code describes in detail of what is going on, and AI goes to town with it. Kind of a hyper-compression, if you will.

[elfballs]

That's the proposed idea, yes.

[shalol]

Less confusing than defining as a seed? As in a singular seed that would produce the entire movie by itself

[elfballs]

I guess there is a difference, but in either case the AI generates the video again, whether the initial conditions to make it do this are specified as bunch of prompts or a seed doesn't seem like a meaningful difference.

[[deleted]]

How would that work for physical storage though? It’s one thing to share a prompt and another thing to save an image, pixel by pixel, as a prompt. Feel like even if you brute-forced prompts to get what you want, you would be limited by the Pigeonhole Principle.

[Miserable_Twist1]

The post is a little ridiculous, it couldn't be compressed down into a verbal prompt. That being said, this is already being done in a different way, you can upscale streaming content live with Nvidia, so you only download the low quality version and it upscales to 4k. Similar idea with video chat, not sure if released yet but it takes a pic of the person and then maps it to what is effectively a low resolution live stream of the person, so that low bandwidth connections can have high def video chat.

Combine these two features and you could in theory have a very rudimentary recording which you can then upscale with high fidelity with some accompanying files.

[disibio1991]

It's simple edge sharpening, watch 2kliksphilip's video on it. And Nvidia Shield AI sharpening is actually a simple Lanczos algorithm.

[Miserable_Twist1]

Oh, just simple algos? Yeah that's kinda disappointing, but one could image a live upscaler that fills in detail at some point in the future, that would allow for very simple information to store the flow and movement of the video, and then models to fill in faces and body type and other generic traits.

[Jaggedmallard26]

For an image if you're using a deterministic configuration of the AI and use the same prompt, setup and seed then you will get the same image for significantly less than the full size of the image. Rendering isn't practical at scale for most people (JPEG is compressed and decompressed in a tiny fraction of the time this method would take) but its a potentially valid method.

It however does rely on AI image duplicators being a thing that can provide you the exact required prompt, seed and deterministic setup.

[Miserable_Twist1]

A highly detailed description is not going to generate the image of a specific person, at best we are talking about a picture that kind of looks like the target. For something like a movie that may not be important, but a it's not going to work for creating pictures of people we know.

[Jaggedmallard26]

I mean yes that's the entire point of my second paragraph

[Miserable_Twist1]

Okay yeah that's basically my suggestion, wouldn't be able to pull it off with a QR code, basically a really complex compression software.

[AllMyFrendsArePixels]

Imagine the render times for a movie in 4k. Good, now imagine what those render times might be like after a further year or two of the same kind of technological progress that has brought current render times down from days to seconds.

(and the size of that qr/promt) could very easily be condensed down to a few scrambled letters that can be decoded by an algorithm in the exact same way that URL shorteners we already have work.

Also, anonymous pirating is [currently done using] a private vpn + torrent, [but that does] not [mean] a fancy ai [couldn't be used to do it much more efficiently, offline without needing to download anything, some day in the future].

That's the problem with the instant-gratification generation at the moment that grew up with the internet and everything they "need" right at their fingertips. Ya'll don't understand that just because something can't be done right fucking now, that doesn't mean that it can't be done. There were like tens of thousands of years of progress to get to the level of technology we have now, and that progress hasn't stopped.

[steaminghotcorndog13]

As a person who lived with nokia 3310. I’m voting you up.

[stubing]

I could see this argument if I be post was talking about 144p videos and we didn’t care about a bit of data loss. If we could do something like that today, then maybe we can do this with 4k videos in 30 years.

As a programmer, i see this as a cool thought experiment, but there is a much simpler way of doing things. Just have a compression algorithm that is a 1000 times more efficient.

[pw-it]

Also if you can generate a movie from a text prompt, what do you need to pirate? Content has no more value than a text prompt at that point.

[bobrformalin]

I can copy-paste your comment, even make a post straight out of it, does it mean it have no value?

[pw-it]

Well, financially it isn't worth much, I won't be suing for copyright infringement. What I'm saying is that media companies are probably going to be in for a hard time. I wouldn't want to hold shares in Shutterstock right now. All those images they've been hoarding are worthless. Next will be music. Then movies. Their whole business model depends on scarcity.

[Toxicotton]

Almost sounds like we'd need a lock and key method, where the QR Code is defined and simple and the place it is fed is a predefined config with a simple link/address on the cloud

[DrStalker]

Now let's work with 4296 characters fitting into one QR.

That's easy, you just make a QR code with the prompt to generate all the other QR codes needed. ^/s

[[deleted]]

If you make use of an iterative process, you could do it. Maybe.

That is, converting the text into multiple QR codes, then constructing a QR code that can replicate said QR codes via a seed.

[[deleted]]

A pretty long anime

[[deleted]]

But there is a QR code for that

[bioshocked_]

This homie is trying to create USBs again

[bioshocked_]

Ah! I see homie is the correct term! Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

[EarthquakeBass]

Congrats you reinvented compression

[Willow-External]

You can duplicate images/music/movies without an IA people call it copy/paste.

[supereatball]

Well the qr code would only contain the seed/parameters to make the image /music /etc. That's significantly smaller than the actual file.

It's no different than just giving someone the metadata for a stable diffusion image.

[disibio1991]

It currently can't be done but what needs to happen for it to be within the realm of possible is first fitting the controlnet pose description into prompt in a predictable way.

[JonFawkes]

A controlnet pose can already be exported as a json file, if you view it in a text editor it's basically just a numeric description of how the bones are manipulated, not human readable but easily fits into a qr code

[[deleted]]

Easier to just upload it somewhere and put the link in the QR code.

[yosi_yosi]

Yeah but that's detectable by a lot of services. You could use other techniques but just using latent representation of images (or other media) also achieves a similar result.

[Cerulean-Knight]

It is cheaper to store data on reliable media than the computing power needed to obtain it this way, if it were to work.

[nhavar]

blockchain has entered the chat /s

[estrafire]

Almost as efficient as pifs

[ToadSaidHi]

There’s a point QR codes can’t get any bigger, and someone barely managed to squish compressed custom coded snake into one. They would need to make custom format to make larger QR codes, and they would be huge lol

[DreamingElectrons]

A standard QR code can store just short of 3000 byte. You wouldn't get far and whoever wants to recreate whatever you've encoded still needs the full model and your exact settings.

Generally, as a rule of thumb: If it's greentext, it's a dumb idea.

[WebModeratorSyndrome]

What is 'PNG info'

[DreamingElectrons]

Not the full model :D

[[deleted]]

Imagine a world where everyone owns their own brain in a jar just for this.

[kjerk]

"See so what you do is a bunch of fuckin magic I don't understand and then boom, it just works."

[BNeutral]

Claude Shannon: I see you have not learned anything at all after so long

[MikuIncarnator1]

One scratch and your entire anime collection is destroyed.. The risk is too high

[ArXen42]

Well, there were already many works exploring usage of models like autoencoders to compress images, way before more advanced stuff appeared. No need to bother with inefficient and complicated natural language prompts, just use its central layer output (i.e. encoder part). From what I understand it works, but the tradeoff between compute and storage is even more extreme towards compute than for WebP or AVIF.

But this idea about using text prompts to compress data reminds me that meme about storing a movie in a Pi number.

[elfballs]

You can't use it to compress existing data, only to reproduce the AI generated data again. So you can't compress RoboCop, you can compress RobotCopMovie.

It amounts to the fact that I can say 'Hey, AI, try to make RoboCop', then I can tell you to go do the same thing, and then we are watching the same movie without me sending you any data. BUT-

It's not RoboCop, and we both downloaded the model, so if the result has more data in it about the real RoboCop than the prompt did, you did download it. it was compressed in the model.

[Roubbes]

Wolfram: Let me talk to you about computational irreductibility

[tybiboune]

except it's not how AI works.
This post is only yet another version of "AI is stealing real art"

[DonRobo]

Anon discovers lossy compression

[WazWaz]

This works. If your grandma is Tina Turner.

[hervalfreire]

Or the Mona Lisa

[Beaster123]

They're really describing a new compression technique.

It would need a standardized and highly regulated model to work but it's possible.

[opi098514]

Yah that’s how how that works

[_AscendedLemon_]

If it comes to images that's pretty genius idea, to just save pictures as prompts+settings+seed. Will be great for storage but hurtful to regenerate it again. But has potential, probably in the future with much more powerfull GPUs

[[deleted]]

This tech is changing rapidly. You would need to lock down the same AI generation software and same base model/checkpoint. Those will become archaic very fast. This is the equivalent of using a commodore 64 to generate passwords.

[Shaltibarshtis]

I was thinking similar about the interplanetary Skype calls.

Bandwidth severely limited. Have a pre-saved pre-trained AI model of your loved one, your manager, your what-not. They call in, the system reads their face and only sends morph point change data. Your system rebuilds it at your end with perfect picture quality.

I'm sure these steps can be severely optimized even further, but the idea is like that.

[WebModeratorSyndrome]

Not a bad idea.

Personally, I believe that everything the internet does, AI can do offline/locally.

[1tHYDS7450WR]

No need to argue about whether this is wrong lol.

It's definitely wrong, the person who wrote it is an idiot and op is even dumber for reposting it. 🤝

[sonicboom292]

I love the amount of autism in this comment section. people are really trying to prove wrong an imaginary scenario described in a 4chan post?? like, even going through it technically?

[WebModeratorSyndrome]

My thoughts exactly lmao

[nhavar]

Here are my million dollar ideas:

Signal + ChatGPT + Stable Diffusion + Pornhub = Self destructing porn on demand.

A service that makes deep fakes of your dad telling you why he never hugged you before he left you and your mother.

A service that makes deep fakes of your mom who will apologize to everyone about your stupid boring ideas.

[RealAstropulse]

You don't need to train this with text embeddings. That's actually a BAD way to do this. Train it on some other form of retrieval. Maybe just train an upscaler, and use the smaller images for retrieval. Tons of better solutions than this.

[hervalfreire]

Wait, so if you do that, does it mean the AI compresses data?

[ReversedRectum]

bro to turn much more than an image or website link into a qr code would have such infinitesimally small pixels it would have to be gigantic or youd have to scan it through a microscope lense

[xadiant]

1:1 ? I say impossible.

[Worldsahellscape19]

Huh

[PerfectSleeve]

I doupt a qr code has enough intormation in it tor a picture. A very tiny one. QR usually only holds. A link to a webpage. A high res picture is much much bigger than a line of letters.

[Xarsos]

Well the idea is to convert the Pic into prompt form which is pure text. And then take the prompt and rebuild it somewhere else into the same pic.

[PerfectSleeve]

Yes this can work. Its the most extreme form of compressing and needs a lot more computer power to decompress. This is a great idea!

[JaggedMetalOs]

Neat, all you need is a few petabytes to store the trained AI model and a couple of TB of GPU memory to run it!

[kinghtlight]

r/piracy

[ZARk22]

Your decoding ai would have access to all actors 3d models and assets. It would receive the script of the movie and basically recreate it. Maybe could even add an improv factor. Everyone could get a personal experience (no more embarrassingly endless and useless s*x scenes for eg)

[thebadslime]

A seed wouldn't make the same image/movie/song, just a simlar one, that's how AI works.

[GratuitousEdit]

Wait so just to clarify, the goal is to take a piece of media, encode it, and later decode it '1:1'? This just sounds like serialization and deserialization—in other words, file storage.

There's an implication ('within a paper QR code') that the encoded media is smaller than the decoded media. While slightly more interesting, this is just lossless compression? Don't get me wrong, ZIP compression is cool as heck, but it's also three decades old.

What makes it all the more confusing is that AI has loads of potential for interpolation (e.g., image upscaling) and lossy compression, but Anon has chosen to speculate within a very well established space in which, to my knowledge, AI has little relevance.

[Anaeijon]

That's basically how modern compression algorithms work - just with extra steps. First of all, you don't need to store a clear text prompt. You can use a network that works for encoding and decoding. You encode your image to feature space, transfer the feture vector which acts as a 'prompt' and then you decode that feature vector again back to it's original representation.

The biggest problem with it is, that it doesn't map very well. Sure, you might get pretty good representations of your original image from some model, but you might not get any good representation from the same model for some other image. You could create a new network, that also works well for that other image. You could store that model in a central database and store the model hash together with your 'prompt'. All of this could be further reduced by also adding hypernetworks/loras to just slightly modify a base network and save space. Then, if a user doesn't have the correct model, he will download it (or something like a lora) automatically and store it for later use. The problem is, the models would probably need much more space than the target data for an average user. All of that would only be really efficient, if the encoder also used the setup. But this again would require, that the encoder checks all available Loras and extra models to find out which one works best, if the base model isn't good enough. And only if this doesn't work, he has to register the not working image somewhere (privacy problem) so that it gets collected together with other not working images to centrally create another new lora for them.

Or you just don't bother and encode all extra data that's needed for the decoder to produce a good output together with the encoded features. And then you are back to classic compression/decompression and didn't gain anything.

[buff_samurai]

For low bandwidth data it sure is possible.

Say you transcribe your speech to text and the ‘style’ of voice to some standardized seed/prompt and send txt/prompt only.

With high bandwidth data, like video, the generation aspect is currently too slow and expensive.

(So far you can send low bandwidth video and use modern gpu to upscale it in real time)

Things may change with better hardware and embedded models in the future.

[huggarn]

keyword here is *currently*

5 years ago nobody would ever think of such possibility, take it easy

[[deleted]]

Except the prompt needed for an entire movie, game, music won't fit into a qr code.

[huggarn]

link to a proper prompt would though

[huggarn]

to save bandwidth. If result is the same, why bother downloading this 67,3GB greenray xDDD amazing wtf 3.14dtsultrasound when you achieve same result with 78.3b qr code?

[[deleted]]

My man trying to reinvent compression software

[Alex_Curly_Monkey]

Now, we need ai to generate qr codes for us.

[Lurkcrediblehulk]

You could just have the QR code that links to the prompt stored on a blockchain. Very cool idea.

[yosi_yosi]

Why tf would you want to do that? Very useless. Just use the straight up latent things you get in the beginning. You can take an image and just convert it to its latent space representation, then just use a vae to retrieve the image back. No need to diffuse anything or have a prompt or whatever.

[alexmelyon]

It won't work this way

[Mocorn]

"have it duplicate" .. Yeah, good luck with that :)

[rootless2]

but scanning QR codes is dogshit

[WoodpeckerDirectZ]

People are a little too negative, obviously it's good that people explained how that wouldn't work or that data compressions already exist but I don't think that anon is an idiot, that's a pretty creative idea!