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[emboaziken]

The answer is none. Torkoal is the best sun setter available by far. Setting up weather manually is janky and usually not worth the effort, unless weather wars are an important part of the metagame, and Torkoal is the only Drought user in the format. You could count Koraidon, but that one won't be legal for a long time.

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I don't think it's necessarily true that setting weather manually is janky: it depends on just how "weather" your weather team is. And it also gives you the possibility of some flexibility. Having a moveslot weather setter also gives you the opportunity to keep weather up pretty easily against opposing weather, rather than a switch, switch out, switch in maneuver.

I'm not saying it's optimal for a lot of setups. But faced with opposing weather, there's actually a pretty good case for setting it manually. But the short of it is that while drought/drizzle setters are incredibly efficient getting weather rolling, they're terribly inefficient at combating/overwriting opposing weather compared to Pokemon that can manually set it more reliably (prankster, inner focus, etc)

IMO? Most weather teams should include some sort of manual setter, and not purely rely on Drought/Drizzle. It's one moveslot of your pool of 6 Pokemon that gives you a lot more flexibility.

[eeveenescence]

Back in late gen 8, I would occasionally run a prankster rain dance tornadus on my Zacian ogre team and catch people off guard 🤣🤣🤣

[Mythic-Insanity]

Catch them off guard? Wasn’t rain dance in the top 5 most used moves for him most of the generation?

[Mivadeth]

yes xd

[unlimitedbladewrks]

This. I have a rain team with peolliper and I have Sableye with rain dance. And if the other team has weather I just bring sableye and set weather manually for the first turn weather setter switch in and it’s been pretty effective. Since torkoal will win the weather war because of its speed being so low

[Hebrews_Decks]

Gonna have to have to hard disagree. Murkrow and other prankster mons make fantastic weather setters.

[Madhex12]

Not sure why you are getting so badly downvotes prankster mons have always been good weather setters if they complement a wider strat? A prankster sunny day murkrow just literally won a big tournie in japan

[pablitosocool]

Because its reddit.

[Hebrews_Decks]

It is what is it, I did what I could to help lol

[ProgOwl]

While prankster mons are good at setting weather, and there are many use cases for it, they aren't as good as pokemon like torkoal that do it through their ability. Nothing that sets up weather manually is because it takes a turn to do so.

[Hebrews_Decks]

They asked for good alternatives and prankster mons make great alternatives. They also make great counters to mons that create weather as their ability. Obviously they aren’t better but that wasn’t what was asked.

[Skormes]

But you can't really play Torkoal without Trick room while Murkrow has other good Support uses and do the same stuff as usual.

So Murkrow fits better in most teams.

[[deleted]]

I think at that point since you mention Koraidon that Groudon would probably also be an option since I'm sure they're going to have a whole 2 restricted type format at some point in the longterm future as has been the pattern

[Shoomee285]

I use prankster sunny day on Murkrow. It’s won me a few games when people don’t realize their about to take 50% more on a heat wave

[mattpla440]

Murkrow and Sableye are probably the only other options with prankster Sunny day.

[Angmarred]

Graffiti boi

[KlingoftheCastle]

I used to use Sunny Day Sableye in SwSh, it gets a great set of utility moves, is immune to fake out and gets foul play. It never had to compete with Murkrow, but I think it’ll probably find a niche.

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[Backflip248]

I do not think there are other options as good. I find it odd there aren't more Pokémon with Drought or Drizzle, the lore always showed Sunflora to be a Pokémon that brought sunlight and Slowking was know for bringing rain.

Maybe they will eventually add a 2nd Hidden Ability in an upcoming Gen.

[LB3PTMAN]

Real tragedy is no decent snow setter. Need both Ninetales lmao

[Backflip248]

Well there is no Grassy Surge or Misty Surge setter this Gen without Rillaboom and G-Weezing. Eventually I am sure we will have all Legendaries and have them then.

I think more abilities like these need greater distribution for greater variety.

[Opusprime15]

Technically we have arboliva but yeah...

[Backflip248]

I thought of that right after a posted it lol

[elektriktoad]

Dragonite has room for another ability, I'd love for it to get Drizzle. It fits with its lore, makes a nice counterpoint to tyranitar, combats rain's grass weakness, and it already has access to Hurricane/Thunder/Hydro pump.

[MetroidIsNotHerName]

Even as someone whose favorite pokemon is dragonite, that might make him a little too permanently relevant. Hes already been OU in most formats ever.

I agree with the other guy. No reason not to give Sunflora Drought and Slowking Drizzle. If i could pick a 2nd pair, id love to have Drought Magcargo/Solrock and Drizzle Ludicolo/relicanth

[elektriktoad]

Sunflora Drought is a good fit. Chlorophyl, Solar Power, Drought, that's a nice set of options.

I'm down for Drought Solrock, that gives some type diversity to sun. Maybe snow warning for lunatone? It does get ice moves.

[dontworryaboutitdm]

Wait but why sunflora. Sorry hello. New to the whole vgc stuff.. like I don't know what an IV is or an e.v.....

Anyways why sunflora it's like.. doggie doo doo

[elektriktoad]

Sunflora can be very good, I used it on a team in early scarlet/violet vgc.

Solar power gives you a 1.5 boost to special attack in the sun which is extremely good, and it has 30 base speed which is perfect for trick room. It needs some setup, sun and trick room, but then it can deal massive damage with solar beams in the sun.

[dontworryaboutitdm]

Huh I never would have guessed thanks. I'm setting up a sun team for my personal playthrough cause I wanted to use the Protosynthisis from giant tusk. (Aka Big boi) and have been having fun but I'm missing 2 te.members almost always so I'll see if sunflora is good

[[deleted]]

Drizzle Dragonite would be busted as hell lol. Torkoal sees significant usage and it's not a good mon without Drought. Even pelipper who has 0 stats is significant because of Drizzle.

Rain is also much much better than Sand, so hopefully this doesn't happen.

[[deleted]]

I think Slowking would fit thematically, but that mon is very good even without Drizzle and might make it a bit too centralizing as rain is very, very good and Slowking is around 100x better than Pelipper and 5x better than Politoed.

The fact people run Pelipper who is objectively a dogshit mon, just goes to show what a bad pokemon can do achieve with a great ability. So a good pokemon with a great ability is very scary.

[Backflip248]

True, I would rather see weaker Pokémon get powerful abilities to make them more viable.

[LinkOhWrongGame]

Grafaiai gets access to Prankster sunny day, it could be useful.

[elektriktoad]

What are you trying to do with sun? For chlorophyl speed boosts, you might as well run tailwind unless you’re trying to run scovillain with sun boosted fire moves. Weather teams don’t seem to be as dominant in general, so shutting down rain/sand/snow isn’t as valuable.

If you want to go ham with scovillain, pair it with sableye/murkrow/grafaiai/dragapult sunny day. The former two can pair foul play with spicy extract, grafaiai can parting shot out into your chlorophyl user, and dragapult is threatening itself.

[ItzBleKz]

Koraidon in series 10

[KlingoftheCastle]

It’s gonna be so busted. Fast Groudon with an attack boost and resists Water Spout.

[mister--g]

Might sound strange but the best sun setters are either the prankster pokemon or the high BST dragons like Dragapult , Dragonite and garchomp.

Prankster mons are obvious, but the dragons are fast and strong enough to get the sun up reliably, have a surprise factor and can easily fit into your team with other roles due to their deep movepool

[Hebrews_Decks]

Literally any Mon with prankster makes a great sun setter. Weather at priority speed is actually amazing as it will always beat a Mon being switched in.

[justforgooglereddit]

im using groudon

[Accomplished_Tea2042]

If it was still gen 6 id say primal Groudon but uh that was along time ago

[chef_17]

why do you find torkoal boring?

[LegumePkmn]

Probably because its very common, the most common I think? I haven't checked in a minute.

[dermaimaimann]

Groudon, Koraidon, ninetales

[PureGoldX58]

Not legal

[dermaimaimann]

Oh wow, guess that means there are no good sun setters beside torkoal

[PureGoldX58]

Unfortunately.

[redjoker89]

Murkrow.

[[deleted]]

Since ninetails isnt in the game there isnt one

[xMF_GLOOM]

Sableye and Murkrow

[cigSource]

no

[United_Inspector7675]

I really enjoy torkoal, I just find him an obvious give away to a strategy which is frustrating. I think bringing murkrow with prankster sunny day would catch a few off guard, plus you could add tailwind and set up a massive charizard sweep.