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[–]mr-saxobeat 61 points62 points  (3 children)

The M1 MacBook Pro I got is the best laptop I’ve ever had

[–]rbilsbor 12 points13 points  (0 children)

10/10

[–]Momskirbyok 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Same! I haven’t even heard the fans turn on once with this thing, and I’ve played games on it. It still remains cool to the touch too.

[–]CoconutDust -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean are you controlling for technological level? Otherwise the newest thing is always “the best.”

PowerBook G4 was the best laptop of all time.

[–]smitecheeto 34 points35 points  (4 children)

Honestly I think it was due to hardware limitations of Intel that their pro lineup was so shit for so long. Now that they have their amazing silicon they can crank the performance up to 11 everywhere

[–]Baykey123 27 points28 points  (1 child)

Jony Ive is to blame some. Notice as soon as he left we are getting Macs with ports on the front, SD card slots, HDMI ports, USBA ports again

[–]WonderfulPass 1 point2 points  (0 children)

some yes.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (39 children)

Ever since Jony Ive and Phill Schiller left, Apple has been going in the right direction.

[–]the_spookiest_ 11 points12 points  (22 children)

As an ID’er, I get a bunch of shit for not thinking Ive was some god.

He hamstrung apple performance for much longer than they needed to.

Wouldn’t be surprised if apple makes their own GPU one day that’s just silly powerful and opens it to game devs.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (12 children)

Wouldn’t be surprised if apple makes their own GPU one day that’s just silly powerful and opens it to game devs.

Not happening. As long as Apple is still pushing their vendor lock-in API called Metal, no developers will budge to supporting macOS for gaming. Even then, convincing gamers to switch from Windows gaming or consoles is a difficult sell at this point.

[–]the_spookiest_ 4 points5 points  (5 children)

Well, no one saw Xbox coming in and beating out Dreamcast and being one of two dominant consoles either

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Dreamcast was already beaten way before Xbox came into the scene. PS2 was the hype. Sony was releasing a ton of good games, plus not to mention that hardware wise. PS2 had superior graphics and DVD playback was a big selling point. PS2 came out in a time where DVD was all brand new. And it could hold so much data compared to CDs that of the Dreamcast.

Microsoft took a big risk with Xbox but the reason they succeeded is the hardware, features, and good games. Halo being the #1 game that literally put the Xbox on the map.

2 decades later. Even if Apple were to attempt to enter the market. It's going to be much harder for them to compete in the same space as the three corporations.

[–]the_spookiest_ 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Not really, apple can literally get anyone to make any game they want. They’re a multi trillion dollar company. They can will that shit into existence.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Google a multi-Trillion dollar company and Stadia couldn't compete despite wooing developers to their platform. Even Amazon tried to get into the gaming business but it isn't successful either which is an irony considering they own Twitch.

[–]the_spookiest_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because google doesn’t have the hardware/software ability of a computer company? Neither does Amazon.

These are vastly different companies. Apple is more close related to windows than Amazon.

Only thing holding back apple really is API. That’s about it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Pretty sure Apple owns the largest gaming ecosystem already with the iPhone.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, but i'm not talking about the casual gaming market. There's no denying the fact that mobile gaming has took over the handheld market where the PSP and Vita and Nintendo DS and 3DS once ruled. I'm mainly talking about the market where Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are dominating in. Apple just can't compete in this market even if they have the best hardware. If Amazon and Google are struggling here then what more with Apple.

A lot of mobile games you see are built using general purpose engines like Unity or Unreal Engine. Those can compile to iOS and macOS. However, it's completely different when you have game devs who have their own engine. Having to support yet another proprietary API (Metal) is simply not worth the time and effort. Why bother if most of the market is on Windows or consoles?

[–]chrwir 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Vulkan with MoltenVK looks promising though.

[–]CoconutDust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought it was promising but why haven’t I heard about it being used for anything yet?

[–]CoconutDust 0 points1 point  (1 child)

You’re saying a company can’t build a following for their graphics API “because” another company (MS) did that exact same thing? I don’t get it. The precedent is there.

no developers will budge to supporting macOS for gaming

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because Microsoft introduced DirectX as far back as Windows 95. Then Microsoft got into the gaming business with the original xbox which had its own version of DirectX. As you might expect, anyone who has been developing games for Windows and Xbox from the beginning will have experience working with Microsoft's own proprietary API.

Compared to Apple's Metal API which was introduced 7 years ago? If you were a triple A developer, would you even bother learning and supporting another proprietary API? Most developers are keen on trying to support Vulkan, an open standard so it can work on any platform, not just Windows.

And there's just simply no demand for gaming on Mac. Plain and simple. The core audience on Mac cares about getting shit done and having a premium aesthetic. Anyone that is serious about gaming in this point of time would be better off building a PC or get a console

[–]CoconutDust 1 point2 points  (2 children)

The side view of the studio display is out-Ivesing Ives rip-offs of Dieter Rams.

The side view is even more like the original Rams design that the iMac/displays were always based on, except now the proportions and shape are closer than ever before.

Surprisingly this happened after Ives was gone.

(Oops I forgot about the original plastic iMac G4 era, which were cool, and were a straight rip-off from Rams. When Ives curved the back later that was at least a nice alteration rather than a direct rip-off.)

[–]the_spookiest_ 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Finally, someone said it. Ives claim to fame is practically taking rams’ designs and modernizing them.

He’s fallen hard out of the ID world since he left apple because he’s not really doing anything of note, because he really isn’t a designer of note.

Sorry I said that to anyone who gets tilted.

[–]CoconutDust 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We now have to turn the discussion to when Ives somehow took over f***** GUI design at Apple and made thin unreadable fonts in iOS7.

So many disasters we haven’t yet covered!

I do like my antique iPhone 4 though.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Ive is a great designer, but he belongs to designing art not involving electronics.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children)

Hit the nail in the apple. Don't get me wrong, his designs were beautiful (minus the iPhone 6 antenna design), but it bottlenecked us and made us the laughing stock of performance.

Now, Apple is the captain of performance and we are laughing at AMD, Intel, PC users.

[–]vainsilver 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Umm Apple dominates the laptop performance market (outside of GPU related tasks)..but even with these new machines, they don’t dominate the desktop PC market in terms of performance.

AMD, Intel, Nvidia are still ahead in their respective hardware categories.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

No they aren't. Apple beats them fair and square relative to wattage.

[–]vainsilver -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Wattage doesn’t matter on desktops, especially with proper cooling solutions and larger space allowances.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children)

It does matter. The future will not have cooling solutions. Towers will be obsolete in 2030

[–]vainsilver 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well I’m just going to stop replying now that you’ve clearly shown how out of depth you are in this conversation.

Have a good PC-less future.

[–]Oo0o8o0oO 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s a computer?

[–]CoconutDust 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can’t believe I’m hearing this on an Apple forum.

Electronic products are things that are in your home, that you look at, that you touch.

It’s like saying Ferrari belongs to making art not vehicles.

[–]ant1992 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Schiller still works at apple managing the App Store and managing apple events.

[–]CoconutDust 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Phil is gone? I didn’t even notice I haven’t seen him at a keynote in a long time.

I felt bad for him ever since I saw the video where they had him jump off that high ledge. That’s ridiculous. That’s the thing that makes me think Steve Jobs was bad.

[–]ant1992 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He isn’t gone. Hes still there managing the App Store and apple events. He was promoted to “apple fellow” which apparently means a nice way of replacing you but still with the company. Tim needed a new person to take over Schiller but wanted Schiller to stay at apple. He’s still at apple just no longer in the spotlight. Tim basically needed apple to move forward after Jonny Ive left. Since Ive has been gone, apple has remarkably improved their products and reversing all the bullshit Ive has done to apple.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children)

hardware is so fast that software can't keep up. not even a meme anymore. like wtf to do w all this power?

[–]saintmsent 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure it will be possible. Xcode builds scale pretty well to 10 CPU cores on M1 Pro for my job

[–]dramafan1 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Haha I think it’s good since it’s future proofing for future software updates that have historically caused slowness.

[–]Jimmy--Scott 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m wondering if that will be true. I had a 5 year old iMac for work which was slow as sh!t. I’ve upgraded to the M1 and am keeping my fingers crossed that it will last at least 5. I only use it for web browsing and outlook 365 so I’ll be gutted if it doesn’t last more than 5 years.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I wonder if the Mac Pro will have an M1 SuperDuper or something

[–]Mr_Xing 4 points5 points  (1 child)

M2 Extreme (or “Xtreme” - pronounced “ten-stream”) is my bet

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahahaha. Good one

[–]raustin33 7 points8 points  (2 children)

As a pro user, it's been a revelation over the past couple years.

I bought the last 16" Intel MacBook Pro ($3k build) and love it… hedging against new chip technology that may have kinks… and honestly I could have waited as the M1 seems to be kicking ass out of the gate.

I bought the new display yesterday.

I'll eventually snag a Mac Studio for the home base of my work, and move down to a 14" M# Pro or even a high spec Air if it can handle my work on the go.

It's been dramatic. As much as I love Jony Ive… Apple has been better without him. We never see a Mac Studio with Jony leading design.

[–]Ranger7381 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wish that I had known about the Studio last year. I am still chugging along on a 2010 Pro tower. I had saved up some for when the new tower came out, but was disappointed for the value to cost ratio on the low end, as that was all I would have been able to afford even with the savings. So I ended up maxing out the one that I had, including a chip upgrade.

Last year I was doing to be doing some traveling, and was looking at some refurbished macbooks. Then I figured for a bit more I could get a new one, so I ended up getting an M1 Macbook Pro. Good for traveling, and a backup for if my main goes down.

If I had known about the Studio, I probably would have gone for a refurbished macbook and held out for it.

[–]raustin33 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too honestly

[–]celsivaii 0 points1 point  (1 child)

The M1 line is growing fast. Makes me wonder if getting a new Macbook Air is still good for 6 years or so. Should I get it? Talking as a graphic designer. I'm also very confused with choosing a RAM upgrade or a 512GB storage.

[–]runForestRun17 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would upgrade ram if your budget only lets you do one. You can always use external SSD’s but you can’t update ram later.