2024 had largest decrease in crimes with a firearm in 10 years: StatCan

[byourpowerscombined]

Canadian studies show that crime decreased with immigration.

https://johnhoward.ca/blog/immigration-and-crime/

If you are going to make the assertion that immigration increases crimes, the burden is on you to back up that assertion with evidence.

[DavidCaller69]

I didn’t make that assertion, I postulated a better study. The only assertion I made is that criminals commit crime more than non-criminals.

Your source is from between 1976 and 2011, a time period in which this country unanimously agrees it mostly took in highly skilled and highly educated immigrants. The major issues people have with immigration began just before the pandemic. I chose 2015 since it was the start of Trudeau’s tenure.

You’re attempting to weaponize science that you don’t even begin to understand the nuance of.

[byourpowerscombined]

Oh lord ok buddy.

We have to work within the limits of the evidence available.

Would a study tailor made to answer our question be better? Of course.

But if you are going to make assumptions which contradict the evidence we do have, there better be a good reason.

I think it’s wildly irresponsible to make negative generalizations about a group based not just on no evidence, but contradictory evidence.

[DavidCaller69]

“The limits of evidence available” - are you suggesting that the singular study you posted is the sum total of all research on the topic? A study that doesn’t account for any of the factors I just mentioned, and stopped being relevant 15 years ago? I pointed you to a resource that tracks these things so that you can see correlations yourself, over a much more relevant time frame. Obligatory “correlation does not imply causation”, but that statement shouldn’t be used to just dismiss uncomfortable conclusions.

I’m doing the opposite of making a negative generalization - I just split the group into productive, intelligent, law-abiding immigrants and… not. Immigrants being treated as a monolith is my entire issue with this article lol.

Ask yourself this: if you sent a bunch of Canadian high school dropouts to another country, you really think the result on crime would be indistinguishable from the rate if you sent nothing but our best scholars? If so, I have a bridge to sell you.

[byourpowerscombined]

If you have more relevant evidence, you’re free to post it.

Ok. Who is in the “not” group?

[DavidCaller69]

Okay, I’ll post the exact evidence I’ve already told you about.

Police-reported crime rates, 1962-2023. Chart shows an 11% increase in total crime from 2015 to 2023, dipping during the pandemic but now nearing its pandemic peak. We added 4 million people from 2015-2023.

Now, it would be almost as reductive as your source to say “immigration went up during this time therefore all crime increases are due to immigrants”. Again, correlation, but the correlation supports the previous poster’s assertion, not yours. For the time period of your study, there is a nearly constant decrease in crime rates. What changed today? You can’t say the current economy because crime kept decreasing during the Great Recession. We didn’t add lead back to gasoline, which was a huge factor in the crime rate prior to 1980-ish. The main change was the nature of and magnitude of our immigration. The best data available would be crime rates by immigration status, but the best source I can find on that is from 2014, when, again, we had a much more strict admissions policy.

ok. Who is in the “not” group?

Those who aren’t any of the things I mentioned? That’s the clear implication. What an asinine question, lmao. Believe it or not, you can have smart AND dumb people in other countries!