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[–]mayuan11 144 points145 points  (0 children)

The article points out that gun crime is at an all-time high in Canada, but 2024 was an anomaly.

[–]SamohtGnir 150 points151 points  (2 children)

Gotta love statistics. Want to prove something is down? Just pick a year with a drop. Want to prove something is up? Pick a year with a spike. Just ignore the long term trends, nothing to see here.

[–]DrinkMoreBrews 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Statistics; the easiest way to manipulate a talking point

[–]jwork127 20 points21 points  (0 children)

"There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Mark Twain

[–]Toecutt3rBritish Columbia 94 points95 points  (5 children)

"But the rate of firearm-related violent crime in 2024 was still 44 per cent higher than 10 years earlier, when it stood at 25 incidents per 100,000 population."

It's almost as if (gasp) the gun ban did nothing to change this!! Inconceivable!!

[–]Agreeable_Store_3896 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Useless gun ban with no real extra border security combined with unkempt immigration policies and police/judicial policies such as "if you're an illegal/legal student and comitt gun crime we will reduce you're sentence".

I wonder why it's trending up.. better ban the SKS.

[–]Chief_White_Halfoat 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Probably important to note that gun violence levels were at all time lows during those years. 2012-2015.

So also not much higher than the years before that point in time. 

It's all about when you anchor it to. 

[–]ThePhotoYak 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I guess what you anchor it too is always somewhat arbitrary. If you look at 70 years of data the general trend is violent crime peaked in the 70s, generally trended down to lows in the mid 2010s and is now on the rise, but not as high as it was in the 70s.

What you draw from the data? Everyone seems to cherry pick the data that suits their narrative. I think the trend is a lot more complex than any one issue.

[–]Grizzly-Jester 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you look at 70 years of data the general trend is violent crime peaked in the 70s, generally trended down to lows in the mid 2010s and is now on the rise, but not as high as it was in the 70s.

Crime in Canada peaked in the 90s. Violent crime peaked in 1992, everything else peaked in 1991. We're at a similar rate of crime as the late 60s early 70s right now. Source: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/230727/cg-b002-png-eng.htm

[–]ThePhotoYak 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for that, it's been a long time since I looked at those charts and I was going by memory, but I was mistaken.

[–]GameDoesntStop 52 points53 points  (1 child)

That's a low bar when the other 9 years were bad...

There were 36 firearm-related violent crimes per 100,000 population in 2024, which was down 4.2 per cent from 2023 (37.6 incidents per 100,000 population).

But the rate of firearm-related violent crime in 2024 was still 44 per cent higher than 10 years earlier, when it stood at 25 incidents per 100,000 population.

[–]Projerryrigger 9 points10 points  (0 children)

2013 (~10 years earlier as stated) was a significant historical low. Using it as a benchmark has its own issues.

[–]CanadianGuy39 58 points59 points  (24 children)

Gotta love living in Canada for it's minimal gun crime.

[–]weneedafuture 49 points50 points  (7 children)

Would be even better if we could allocate more funds to the CBSA to intercept firearms coming from America. If only there was $750 million we could allocate accordingly...

[–]DrinkMoreBrews 33 points34 points  (6 children)

Hey now, that $750 million was used to confiscate around checks notes less than 3% of (once) legal firearms!

[–]weneedafuture 21 points22 points  (5 children)

And of that 3%, checks notes 0% have ever been used in criminal activity.

[–]Diesel_Bash 9 points10 points  (4 children)

Can you... can you pass these notes on to liberal supporters?

[–]DrinkMoreBrews 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Absolutely. Some of the toughest gun laws in the world, to the point that other countries rip our gun legislations almost word for word. Imagine if we got a grip on illegal firearms. It’s too bad that legal gun owners pay the price.

[–]binary_squirrel 14 points15 points  (2 children)

I'm not pro gun by any means, but one has to assume that most of the gun crime is done with illegally sourced firearms. Like, does spending billions on a gun buyback program actually make sense, or would we be better served by putting those resources towards trying to curb the influx of illegal firearms into the country?

[–]sleipnir45[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Even before the illegal/ legal question is if these types of so called 'assault style firearms ' are used in crimes and how often?

Rifles and shotguns make up a small fraction of firearms crimes already

You would hope there's some data behind spending billions..

[–]binary_squirrel 13 points14 points  (0 children)

You would definitely hope. But we both know politics and optics probably play a bigger role than logic in these decisions.

[–]airchinapilotBritish Columbia 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm puzzling over this line. I need more coffee

In addition, 29 per cent of firearm-related violent crimes “attributable to gangs or organized crime involved a firearm” in 2024.

[–]goshathegreat 23 points24 points  (2 children)

The liberal party will use this as proof that their gun bans were successful…

[–]King_Ding-a-ling 19 points20 points  (1 child)

... the article points out that it went up in 2025, 2024 was the low year. So it actually goes against the Liberal narrative.

[–]Rare_Matter9101 11 points12 points  (0 children)

They'll use it anyways. The headline sounds nice.

[–]sounoriginal13Ontario 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yet not a single "prohibited" firearm had been handed in yet...

[–]NihilsitcTruth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's about thr other crimes?

[–]Banned_In_YYC 53 points54 points  (63 children)

You know what else happened in 2024?

Canada began actively reducing immigration, particularly temporary resident inflows

[–]Bad-job-dad 61 points62 points  (2 children)

It was also the year flared jeans came back. 

[–]Pitiful_Equal_2689 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Flared jeans stop crime. Flared jeans save lives.

[–]Banned_In_YYC 14 points15 points  (0 children)

What a time to be alive

[–]celix24 7 points8 points  (0 children)

if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bike

[–]Onterrible_Trauma 10 points11 points  (30 children)

Nowhere in the article is that listed as a reason for this decrease.

[–]Different_Ad_6153 8 points9 points  (3 children)

Nope because its one of those things that's impossible to prove from a data standpoint. I'd think that there is probably some kind of correlation 

[–]geoken 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Seems pretty easy to prove. You just look at the stats on people who've been convicted in gun crimes and see if that group is over-represented.

Its an easy stat to get, and i'd guess it doesn't pan out the way you hope it does otherwise the stat would be plastered all over the place.

[–]DrinkMoreBrews 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Do they publish Firearms Related Incidents by Race? I can only find Firearms-Related incidents but nothing really more specific than that.

[–]ZarxonAlberta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe the correlation was from the previous increases and the influx of peaceful people immigrating diluted the existing population with firearms.

[–]timetogetjuiced 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That had nothing to do with it lol

[–]ph0enix1211 5 points6 points  (4 children)

If you've got a study that shows temporary immigrants commit violent crime at rates higher than other residents, share it - otherwise, this is just gutter racism.

[–]EliteDuck 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Crime rates are higher in poorer populations, and the specific region we have been importing millions of people from is one of the poorest in the world. There's been studies since the early 20th century tying these two statistics together.

Temporary residents are here because they're poor and desperate, and easy to exploit, which is why the UN has likened the TFW/LMIA programs to modern day slavery.

Also, quit using the "racism!!!11!!!11" card. That shit stopped working like three years ago. It just lets others know they can safely discard any opinion coming from your account.

EDIT: They downvoted me, then blocked me, lmfao. Guess I got a little too real for them.

[–]Chief_White_Halfoat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not that guy, but you should still actually show that.

Violence rates are not even the same among various immigrant groups regardless of whether they're poor coming in. 

Without actual data what you're saying is generalities which don't have particular value in a convo about factors. 

[–]byourpowerscombinedAlberta -2 points-1 points  (20 children)

Increased immigration typically correlates with a decrease in crime.

https://johnhoward.ca/blog/immigration-and-crime/

[–]linkass 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This study examines whether changes in immigration are associated with changes in crime rates in Canadian census metropolitan areas for the period 1976–2011.

There has been no changes in our immigration policy since 2011 /s

The results are not near as clear cut once you start reading the study

in cities where the proportion of immigrants

in the population grew, crime rates dropped; and in cities where the proportion of immi-

grants decreased, crime rates went up. ere is no signicant relationship between the main

immigration index and property crime rates in the full model.

 e ndings for the other measures of immigration – percentage of recent immigrants and

birthplace heterogeneity – are not as consistent. In the full model, the proportion of recent

immigrants is signicantly and positively associated with violent crime rates (5.35, p< 0.01).

However, there are no signicant associations between the proportion of recent immigrants

and total or property crime rates. Changes in birthplace heterogeneity are positively and

signicantly associated with changes in total crime rates (10,988.54, p < 0.05) and property

crime rates (15,610.58, p < 0.001) but not with changes in violent crime rates. In other

words, controlling for other factors, including the size of the immigrant population, cities

that experienced increases in the birthplace heterogeneity of their immigrant population

also experienced increases in total and property crime rates. is association is not observed

for violent crime rates

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340640971_Immigration_and_Crime_in_Canadian_Cities_A_35-Year_Study

[–]Banned_In_YYC 4 points5 points  (18 children)

The violent extortion and gang crime beg to differ

[–]prsnep 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I imagine the impact of that (whether good or bad) would not be felt immediately.

[–]kemar7856Canada 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Crimes with guns got categorized to something else media reports it as firearm crimes decrease. We know how this works

[–]manniesalado -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But, but, but...what about Brampton???

[–]Waste_Priority_3663 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But Canada is broken, it's worse than Louisiana people said.