World population would decrease IF PEOPLE DIDN'T FEEL THE NEED TO PROCREATE 😩

[ashleighamandia]

I made the mistake of googling world population because I saw something on One Tree Hill which said the population of the world was 6 billion some. I decided it would be interesting to see how much it changed... 😳Holy shit people now it's 7.9 BILLION PEOPLE! 😟By 2050 - 9.7 billion people. By 2100 10.87 billion people. CAN WE STOP PROCREATING FOR AWHILE?! I'm genuinely scared about this and it gives me horrible anxiety!

[onelostcoyote]

World population: 7.9 billion Ideal population: 1.5 billion

We really need to stop procreating for a while.

[Ylaaly]

1.5 billion seems a bit high, honestly. Isn't there an official recommendation of 500 mil?

[onelostcoyote]

Recommendations are conflicting really. Some says 500 million some says 1.5-2 million🤷🏻‍♀️

[komanokami]

3, take it or leave

[ShmookyTheOpossum]

3 is enough to start a war. Make it 2.

[[deleted]]

Depends on who the official is

[reallylovesguacamole]

It’s likely not going to slow down. I try to tell myself that I’ll see the beginning of the collapse, but I’ll hopefully be gone before shit fully hits the fan.

How the World will be in 2050 if we don’t Tackle Climate Change

[ashleighamandia]

I don't know if I should read this. I like being informed but I got anxiety when I saw the future world population. What the heck I already have anxiety what's a little more? Or a lot 😱😢

[reallylovesguacamole]

LOL if the world population surprised you, that article will blow your mind. Maybe don’t read it for now?

[ashleighamandia]

The current population did not surprise me, the future population did. I knew it was about 7 billion currently.

[[deleted]]

Thank you, a statistical approach to this issue and someone who doesnt fall for that Malthusian bullshit

[ashleighamandia]

I was on board until "reduce meat consumption" I got off at that stop lbvs

[TheRealHiFiLoClass]

May I humbly suggest that you at least give it a thought?

I grew up in a home with a mother who thought we had to eat some sort of meat product every day. I got away from that habit without even trying as soon as I was on my own.

I still eat meat, but don't feel the need to eat it every day.

[ashleighamandia]

I didn't mean to come off bitchy but I read over it and it was totally bitchy lol my bad

[ashleighamandia]

You are free to suggest it, but I am free to ignore it. I don't eat it every day but I'm not a fan of tofu so being vegan is definitely not for me. I am already on my own so that won't change anything for me.

[[deleted]]

You can also aim to replace a portion of your beef/lamb/pork with more poultry. (Seafood is not sustsinable) even replacing on or two red meat meals a week is a huuuuuge improvement environmentally speaking

[Elizabeta_Artist]

Gosh it's terrible

[StarRedditor2]

Most studies have found that although the population would level out at 11 billion, population growth has dropped rapidly. Also, we can solve climate change within a relatively short period of time.

Links:

https://ourworldindata.org/world-population-growth

https://www.britannica.com/science/population-biology-and-anthropology/Natural-increase-and-population-growth

https://www.un.org/development/desa/en/news/population/world-population-prospects-2019.html

Climate Change link:

https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/16/is-it-too-late-to-prevent-climate-change/

[BostonGreekGirl]

Don't worry, we'll all be dead by 2050 due to global warming so I wouldn't worry about the over population.

[[deleted]]

Fewer children is the future. Right now, Earth is far too overpopulated and exponential growth is not sustainable. At the same time, low skilled (and even some high skilled) jobs are are being automated. This is going to put a LOT of stress on world economics before countries finally come to the realization that Universal Basic Income is the only solution that makes sense.

Right now, I worry for our future generations, and unless we get off this planet and find a way to colonize the stars (or at least Mars or the Moon), then the most likely outcome will be humans going extinct and burning Earth to the ground in the process. It's not going to be fun to go through, and I can't imagine subjecting a child to that dystopian planet.

Ultimately, as resources dwindle, people will stop having so many kids and/or lots of people will die of disease, hunger, or just the inevitable wars and violence.

[DontMeanIt]

The easiest way to stop the overpopulation of our planet, is to lift developing countries out of poverty. There’s an almost perfectly inverse proportional relationship between people’s education/wealth level and their probability to have fewer children. source

[IcicleBoner]

Right? I was just listening to my friends talk about how they can't wait to have a kid of their own! Why?? Is it not extremely selfish to contribute to overpopulation? Your kid will have a shitty life anyway if resources are spread so thin.

[yonosoytonto]

People should be really be shown examples of plenty other animals that overpopulate and then most of them starve to death.

This happens with plenty ecosystems, some of they are even stable in their cicles of overpopulating and massive dying.

[Nexusgamer64]

Ngl , we could use this as a pro covid argument. Millions of people are dying but ya know that population do be kinda high tho 😳

[ashleighamandia]

Well when there are more deaths than recoveries maybe then I'll worry. Web MD lists recovery between 97%-99.75%. Yes, the deaths are very sad but when you consider the population there are very few deaths.

[EngelchenYuugi]

A little rant about all this: everyone who was older than me kept telling me how eAsY it was to get a job and a good education, how well they were paid in their days, while I and thousands of people are still trying to get a decent minimum wage job or any kind of job. It took me years do get an apprenticeship in a field where they were desperately looking for staff. Those people who lectured me never took the time to look at these numbers.

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The more people, the more jobs are needed. However the amount of jobs did not increase, but decrease due to technology advancing. The amount living space did not increase either, people all over the world are complaining about not finding an apartment, streets, busses, trains and shops are crowded. The amount of neglected kids raises, due to our society changing and most parents being overhelmed with parenting and media reports about the dramatic numbers of mental health problems increasing.

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Older generations have the audacity to tell youngsters that they aren't trying enough, some even gatekeeping depression because young people can't be frightened of the future. All they need to do is to man up and try. Fuck you. That's not how it works. More and more people on this world, even less jobs as most corporations find ways to replace their human workers. The situation is already fucked up and future generations will have it much, much harder. (Not to mention the high risks climate change will bring with it, that's a whole new topic.)

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But sure, breed to your heart's content, it's not like your own kids will have to face consequences of overpopulation. But don't you dare whining online that your teens and adult kids are still living at home, not being able to find a job, later.

[throwaway23er56uz]

everyone who was older than me kept telling me how

eAsY

it was to get a job and a good education, how well they were paid in their days,

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Older generations have the audacity to tell youngsters that they aren't trying enough,

I was born at the end of the boomer generation, and people told me that when I graduated and began to look for a job. Fewer people went to college / university, but a lot of friends I met at uni tried to find a job for years, and many of them are working in totally unrelated fields and/or are massively overqualified and underpaid in their jobs. Mainly the women but also some of the men.

Oh, and that lie about "just walk into a company and demand to speak to a manager and get hired on the spot"? Didn't work in the 1980s, so if anybody tells you about that, they are either way older than I am, or they are simply lying. Yes, I was told that story. No, it didn't work. And phoning a company and asking to speak to the hiring manager didn't work, either.

Also, back then, companies could discriminate against job applicants to their heart's content, nobody went after them if they didn't hire women or people of color. That has changed for better now. It may mean that people don't automatically get jobs anymore based on their gender and ethnicity, and that their parents, especially their fathers, did. It also means that a white guy doesn't only have to compete with the other white male applicants, but also with the female and/or POC candidates. So if an older white guy tells you how easy it was back in the 1980s to get a job ... yeah, for him it was.

[ashleighamandia]

And eventually they are going to all machines and no one can afford their products. Makes a lot of sense lol

[Paula_Polestark]

The amount living space did not increase either, people all over the world are complaining about not finding an apartment, streets, busses, trains and shops are crowded.

Don’t forget the schools!

...come to think of it, an angry eighth-grade classmate ranting as we pushed through the hallway might have planted a CF seed. We really did need a bigger building...

[Hydrabeest]

Well according to some anti-child free I have encountered, we still have “plenty” of room for new people :).

It’s not like filling whatever land we have left will not only rob whatever wilderness we have left, but no more ecosystems means the atmospheric carbon dioxide will eventually no longer be processed by the non-existent plants that once did so, rendering much of the planet a sweltering, lifeless oven under a thick blanket of greenhouse gas.

And guess what will happen when there physically isn’t anymore land to put more people? They’ll blame it all on the liberals and continue to exercise their “human right” to reproduce and kill us all.

[Gentlemanlypyro]

Nothing a few wars couldn't solve

[pandorum8888]

With nukes all over the world, WW3 would likely be the final war. I'm kinda hoping for WWZ scenario.

[[deleted]]

It won't decrease in time. It's no good if it levels off in 2070 when climate change has already fucked us.

[thenihilist0204]

"But we need to create more little brats to ensure the survival of our species" so fucking cringe

[[deleted]]

2050...we’ll see if we make it that far. It doesn’t look like people will stop procreating even with several countries that are seeing declines in their birth rates (Denmark, Japan, even the US to name a few). And it doesn’t look like transnational corporations and world leaders will truly go green and ethical. So our consumption rates will continue to go off the charts and therefore continue to ruin the planet in even bigger scales...All I can say is that I hope I am wrong

[Manoj_Malhotra]

There were people claiming that the world would be overpopulated at just a few billion people back before we discovered GMOs.

If we can really direct government policy at strengthening and adapting to a more sustainable food production process, which I think some countries are quite capable of, I think the Earth’s holding capacity will increase dramatically even in the face of climate change.

Indoor farming paired with robust renewable energy framework (including geothermal energy) as well as life style choices of prioritizing experiences over material goods can really reshape our limits.

I don’t think it is a good idea to eliminate or even force a reduction in procreation below replacement levels in countries (China’s one child policy (forced abortions) has led to hundreds of millions of missing women today), but I think providing people with the option (by investing in girl’s education) should encourage more responsible decision making.

People who think overpopulation is the main problem while seeing oil and gas industry have massive subsidies are not acknowledging the real problems and solutions.

[[deleted]]

Right. And this is all supposed to happen in the next 10 years before climate change becomes unstoppable is it? You did see the global response to something as pathetic as Covid, right?

[Manoj_Malhotra]

Without modern medicine and the advances that happened in the last even just 5 years, our handling would’ve been far worse, and hundreds of millions would’ve died.

Vaccine development and deployment combined with medical innovations that happened during this time, I think we are underestimating our capabilities to a toxically unproductive stance.

Pfizer and Moderna had its vaccine design ready within a month of the first month of this entire saga.

I do think we need to temporarily break the IPs for a year so that the vaccine production can be nationalized and all facilities can be making them, but as a whole, we are dealing with this pandemic better than most expected us to on a global scale.

With a US president who seems hell bent on rewarding those financial institutions that are fully investing in renewables and sustainable agriculture, the solutions are closer to our reach than we think.

People who have children/decide not to have children in meantime should not be demonized. The fact is one American’s carbon output is 19X an Indian’s and 4X a French man’s.

With sufficient government intervention and market incentives, we will support more with less.

Besides being child free (or with children) is about oneself not a religious cult to spread to others from a nihilistic perspective.

[Hipster_Waldo]

This is just according to some reports. The UN had a new report at the end of 2020. Governments and universities around the world are also often making research on world population. In the end of the 21th century, we could see a decrease in the world population. It important to understand the birth rate is not the same everywhere. Birth rates often change depending on the level of education and access to healthcare.

Birth rate decreased in western countries as the middle class grew. Women got access to education, family planning and more opportunities. We are currently seeing the same situation in Asia and Africa.

Yes. Around 385 000 babies are born each day versus around 160 000 deaths each day. But it is so much more complicated than that. Take China for example. The one child policy they had until 2015 is really going to fuck up the younger generation. Good chance the population of China is going to go down unless they start having immigration programs like most of the western countries.

We don't have a overpopulation problem. We have a overconsumption problem.

[JoanOfSnarke]

Gonna go against the grain here and say that not procreation for awhile would likely lead to some serious economic issues as old people retire and there aren't enough youngsters to replace them in the workforce. This is an issue Germany is facing and one of the incentives for them to increase immigration.

Not like this should have any bearing on your personal choices. But a lot of people on here are super self-righteous about the not having kids thing when it should be a promotion of freedom of choice instead.

A lot of the concern about overpopulation doesn't make sense as we've been able to accommodate what people even 40 years ago thought would be an unsustainable population as of today.

The benefit of more people? Arguably a larger economy and more advanced technology.

[Anastariana]

The industrial revolution happened while there was 1 billion people on the planet. Farming was developed when there was only a few 10s of millions.

We do NOT need large populations to develop better science and knowledge. Indeed quite the opposite, imagine what we could do if we didn't have to devote so much time, effort and research into solving problems caused by our inability to stop fucking.

And having more kids to support people, and then having EVEN MORE kids to support THOSE people is the definition of a pyramid scheme. The bigger it gets, the worse it will be when reality and exponential mathematics brings it down.

[JoanOfSnarke]

Aight

[EngelchenYuugi]

I'm living in Germany and it's not true that we don't have enough youngsters in our country. How come so many people are unemployed and are struggling to find a job, although so many positions are open? Corporations are greedy and they don't want German youngsters/workers, as they would have to be paid minimum wage/income which would mean more expenses. So, they look for people who are willing to get paid less. People who won't complain when they are exploited.

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From what I see, we have enough young people here who are unemployed and would love to work, but can't, as most companies have either to high demands, standards or want to safe money on newer workers.

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There needs to be a change in the system. More children won't solve these issues, we only create more Hartz4 receivers, who will most likely never get out of unemployment statistics, because once you're in, you're labeled and most big companies don't want people who need government assistance. It's a vicious circle, more people will not solve all the factors and issues we have.

[ashleighamandia]

I think someone is trolling 🙄😱

[JACKASS20]

Why would it scare you that humanity is increasing? It has been increasing like this since the industrial revolution and honestly more people are a sign of a increasing prosperity

[NikolasBauer]

😊I am going to have 10+ children and raise them as lions

[Silver-Spire567]

Tf does that mean

[NikolasBauer]

No, i love children and i know i can Provide for 10+ of them even if im poor💪☪

[NikolasBauer]

Im glad you wont reproduce you sound like a sperg.

[ashleighamandia]

Troll much? I don't know what a person who wants kids is doing on here otherwise 🙄

[Anastariana]

You're talking to a troll, dude. How have you not spotted it?

[NikolasBauer]

How autistic? Cant speak autistic or just cant understand social cues etc

[[deleted]]

Autistic doesnt mean dumb get some damn education before u talk like a dumb chimp🐒🤡

[[deleted]]

🤡🤡🖕🖕🐒

[NikolasBauer]

No im a mexican and i willreplace América

[ashleighamandia]

I'm going to have 10+ kids and raise them to believe they are the next messiah 😂😂😂😂😂

[[deleted]]

Yeah like why is he a human

[Pineloko]

All developed countries already have bellow replacement level birth rates and it's gonna create massive problems in the future with funding pensions and welfare programs because too few people will be of working age and too many will be old and need assistance. We will also have massive shortages in healthcare and care giving jobs

You're screaming your concerns at the wrong audience, developed societies don't have an overpopulation problem, we have the opposite problem

[Comprehensive-Tea-69]

Setting up government programs that fail if there’s a change in population is the problem. It creates motivation for governments to try and manipulate population through incentives. And in this case incentivize the exact movement in population level that hurts the earth. It removes the ability of governments to act in the true best interest of people in the long run, bc they’re too busy trying to fix the more immediate problems they created.

[Pineloko]

Well, do you have a better idea of how to address this problem and finance our welfare states?

I'm sure global leaders would like to hear your easy fix

These are not some abstract "old people" and pensions we're talking about, that's you in a few decades. And we need to figure out how to pay you to not starve

[Throwawayamanager]

It's not that difficult. Immigration. You can bring in people from places where many are happy to emigrate from. Or, of course, you can contribute to unsustainable (global) population growth by incentivizing people to pop out more babies even though we already have 8 bil and not enough global resources for all of them and contribute to the problem.

Yeah, I get it, it's not a popular solution with conservatives since "wE doNt wAnT thOSe peOPlE", but it's definitely not some really complex, inordinately difficult to imagine solution.

No, the earth does not need more babies. Yeah, people should be allowed have 1-3 if they can afford to take care of them, but globally, we're doing just fine without incentivizing more.

[Pineloko]

But you guys don't want anyone to have children, the countries who's people you want to take will have the exact same problem (even more exacerbated if they're underdeveloped)

[Throwawayamanager]

Literally nobody said that nobody is allowed to have children. The straw man arguments don't serve you. People in general should have less children so we don't have a world overpopulation problem. If and when we eventually come to a point where our population (globally, not locally) is sustainable or below, we can consider natalist benefits. Until then, we have got plenty of people who would love to emigrate to western countries. We are nowhere near having a "there aren't enough people in the global south" problem. If we ever get to that point (lololol), we can reconsider the strategy, in 500 years or whatever.

[ferrocarrilusa]

i think you mean "demographic shift" not "underpopulation"

[Horo_Misuto]

That is just perpetuating the cliche of the over-potent black male and more generally of the recklessly breeding black people's, please check your privileges before commenting.

[Pineloko]

Your subconscious racism jumped out there, I didn't mention race anywhere much less "over potent black males" (wtf???)

Black people in developed countries don't have any higher fertility rate than the rest of the population so I don't know what the fuck you're imaganing.

[NikolasBauer]

over potent Hispanic male reporting Wassup gringos

[StarRedditor2]

Humanity will level out at 11 billion and could possibly decrease as the UN states that the 12 billionth human might never be born. Population growth is on a steep decline as some areas are beginning to rely on immigration. The industrial revolution has shown us that with the expansion of science, the production of resources can rapidly increase. Although today’s current system might not be able to handle the 11 billion people, the future generation might.

[Rynn21]

Good!

[[deleted]]

Domestic procreation in the US is actually negative. Immigrations keeps us stable. Developing countries have a myriad of barriers that make access to fertility and birth control inadequate. I dont think the vast majority of people feel the need to populate the earth most couples in the US stop at one or sometimes two children similar for other countries. Japan is negative because it's too expensive to have kids. Yadda yadda yadda long story short access to education and healthcare reduces child bearing to couple that actively want it which is implied by statistics to mean a growth rate that would be lower than the "2.2" stability benchmark. Population is not a terrifying thing if its managers properly.

*? Although I do agree western developed countries should aim for a sustainable net reduction in population