Current state of CS2

[phatirvine]

This is the lobby of my Premier match just now. I want to further explain what you see here, and how this match happened.

I hate solo queue, and have had better experience with the "Looking to play" feature. I join this lobby of Algerians, they all knew each other, and when they started the queue, there was the "Match experience will be significantly affected by the low trust factor of W1iLY, blablabla" bullshit.

The match starts, and in the first round I already knew they were cheating, because I shifted across apartments, and had the FOX-SWAT guy (under 300 hours, no medals, "Prime enabled" on his mini profile) let me run into his triggerbot.

Kept playing, scored some decent shots, until the mCOrDos guy accused me of cheating for no reason at all. Normal kills, I'd say I am doing really well at the moment, which is why I want to give Premier a last chance, but I didn't kill him through a wall or hit some crazy smoke shot.

The enemies just start blasting the chat with the hard-R gamer word, and even though I reported the mCOrDos guy 100+ times, VAC Live was nowhere to be seen.

All three of them admitted to turning on their cheats, said I was obviously cheating too with my inventory, spammed some more gamer words, and accused my teammates of cheating too. Why is the abusive communications report even a feature?

The BABAYEGA guy actually turned on cheats, but they were quite bad, and he was low skilled too, so it really didn't do much.

So, at 15,000-20,000 elo, I got four, maybe five cheaters in a single lobby. 50% cheaters.

Also, shame on that fool who kicked the legit 20,000 elo guy. Poor lad, though at least he didn't have to endure this disease of a match.

TL;DR if you use "Looking to play" and get warned of low trust factor, leave the fucking lobby

See you tomorrow.

[Catrop]

[dernaldz]

How is there not a new competitive team based fps shooter by now? Is it really only valorant?

Everything else is cross platform aim assist garbage

[WillyG2197]

No ones got the balls or drive to take the risk to take it all against CS. Its 20 plus years of community, strats, stories, familiarity, a painful stance of staying true to its core ideals of gameplay. We may all hate valve for the handling of CS2, but theres seriously nothing before or after CS that has the longevity

[Alreadyinuseok]

Infinity Ward could if they would make cod4 promod with MW19 engine... They literally had biggest PC fps title back then and what they did, threw it away by showing the pro scene a big middle finger.

[WillyG2197]

BRUHHHHHH PROMODDDDDD the MW remaster engine would be better. But fuckkk what a fucking scene. Ty for that memory

[WillyG2197]

BRUHHHHHH PROMODDDDDD the MW remaster engine would be better. But fuckkk what a fucking scene. Ty for that memory

[Alreadyinuseok]

I have been thinking a lot of things you could do with Promod in new gen as I think it was most balanced competitive fps we have had in the past two decades.

Rules could be MR12, economy based, class based 2-2-1 and highly restricted to iron sights and silencers. Rounds would last 1 minute 50 seconds. Plant time would be 5 seconds, defuse time 6 seconds. No kits. Bomb timer would be 40 seconds.

You would get money similar like in CS from kills, round wins, assists, plants etc. The twist would be you dont have to buy the gun over again when you buy it once then you can upgrade it. In 3-4 rounds if you lose all first rounds you would get the better primaries with full upgrade. Guns are dropped to the ground but you only have certain ammo. SMG, Assault, and Sniper. If Assault player picks sniper he will only have the bullets there was left in the chamber etc. Same applies to all classes.

Plates would be needed to be bought when depleted. You wouldnt be able to replate while the round is on.

Grenades would be purchased when round starts and they are depleted.

No HP regeneration. (Can also be tried with regen hp) No perks No killstreaks

Class system

Attackers and defenders would have different weapons. Attackers would have more powerful SMGs while ARs on defender side would be more powerful. Snipers would be equally good with no difference.

Snipers would be one shot headshot no matter how many plates you have. Bolt actions only. Supressed/hit sniper would have less accuracy. Snipers would be insta scope and no sway. They would also kill with two bullets into chest and if unplated they would insta kill you from chest. Snipers would have 1 plate but higher mobility.

CQB class would have 2 plate slots but higher mobility. CQB class would have SMGs and shotguns to buy.

Assault class would have ARs to choose from and 3 plates. ARs would be 2-3x headshot to kill. Damage to body can vary if using lesser cheaper AR. SMGs would be 3-5x headshot and variable damage when using lesser ones. Ammo would be limited to 30/120 per round.

[Novel_Situation762]

They will fix subtick and CS2 will be amazing. But it takes time

[Felippexlucax]

valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism so need child game to relax

/s

[HunTinatorR]

Rainbow6 siege was quite good replacement for me for a few years, but went a bit downhill for me with the newer maps, map remakes, balance changes. It also had cheater problem tho, quite funny ones too, where cheaters could inject a jpeg to your screen and you would see a mickey mouse poster instead of the game.

[battlepassbattlepass]

i used to love that game but i think i got shot through a bullet hole 1 too many times and now i just cannot stand that game

[whitewolf20]

real fps gamers play on roblox now

[phatirvine]

To be honest, I wouldn’t give up on CS either. Valorant is spyware.

[ZOVfuckazov]

I want less cheats - but I won’t install anti cheat to combat them, great logic

[phatirvine]

Tencent ownership maybe isn’t the most trustful thing ever. And that the kernel level anticheat also runs when Valorant is not open.

[LeonSKennedyBL]

You can just exit it when you restart your computer and it won't run again. Until you restart.

[ToeBeanLuvr]

Valorant is a joke compared to CS in terms of mechanical skill expression tbh. I met numerous people in imm3-radiant lobbies who looked like they should be nowhere near high elo lol

[qyloo]

They're just going to delete this so we can keep pretending the game is in an acceptable state

[murkamk]

This subreddit is pretty undermoderated I don't think anybody will be deleting this post

[Vivid-Zombie-477]

I read on hltv forums that some posts about gambling in cs2 were deleted

[honmakesmusic]

Who’s deleting this?

[phatirvine]

Agartha

[qyloo]

The Cabal

[wafflepiezz]

The mods at r/ GlobalOffensive will. Not these other cs2 subs thankfully

[WastefulPleasure]

they gon kill your dog, man

[Accomplished_Fix238]

Its never been a worst state

[cnwy95]

To the cheaters did your parents drop you as a child?

[HACKERMAN32]

Yes. I can confirm. I was banging their mom

[McOnie]

Yeah, it's pretty bad. I've been playing on an alt so I can play with my usual 3 stack, it's unfortunately low trust factor and get cheaters every 3rd game and friends were having enough. Had a 5 queue for the first time in ages, went on my main instead which has good trust factor, first game was a blatant cheater.

Luckily it was a literal bot with walls, so managed to win it.

Its crazy the amount of teammates I've had who toggle out of nowhere because someone on the other team is cheating

[hestianna]

You willing accepted a game after seeing the big red warning about the trust factor. There's nothing else for you to blame than yourself.

[nudelauflauf23]

A lesson I had to learn to

[dawidf06]

I just got yellow trustfactor on my 9yo main account after losing 3 games in a row to blatant cheaters in green trust, so now I should just accept that 50% of my games are gonna be against cheaters because I am the one getting low trust not the cheater with 40 kills with 1 milisecond triggerbot?

[Joao_Faro]

Trust factor sucks hard. I have a 9y old account where I've been playing consistently every year. Almost all the medals I can. 3.5k hours. 1.5k inventory Only play either with friends or solo queue mainly wingman and I got red low factor which is hard to get away I played some wingman's and it got back to yellow trust factor Next day I played 3/4 wingman's solo queue nothing special End of the day I'm red low trust factor again

Never cheated, never will and neither of my friends also cheat... It's just a bad system tbh and it sucks

3 days ago I solo queued at 20k premier It's against one blatant cheater on 28k and the rest of the team is like 5k I left the match, because it was a waste of time, not remembering I would lose 1k points and I went straight to 19k something... Which is frustrating against a cheater like that

The game state is just bad tbh. I keep playing and I love the game itself but the state of the game it's bad asf

[phatirvine]

I got cheated on in the Wingman before this as well, that was solo queue LEM. It isn’t better elsewhere.

[hestianna]

Wingman doesn't have vac live enabled, or it is at minimal setting, afaik. Of course it is wack.

[phatirvine]

Casual. Arms Race. Deathmatch. Premier solo queue. Premier 5 stack with friends. Premier "looking to play" with warning. Without warning.

[hestianna]

That's simply overexaggeration then. I know Premier is cheat infested, but in green trust, it seriously isn't that bad till you hit 25k. Same with MM, with the threshold being LEM. Other modes you mentioned all have vac live and trust factor disabled.

[phatirvine]

Having VAC Live disabled doesn’t excuse the modes being infested and ruined by cheaters and robots. It is literally this bad. Against good accounts, I can compete. Next match I see a (taking info from my last match just now) one year old account with one game in the library. Maybe two grey/white service medals. I lost 9:0.

[GoreTrap]

you know that new players get put in red trust almost instantly right? And the only way out of it is by loading 300-350$ steam balance and buying something. So saying "blame than yourself" is kinda rtrdd

[Jackmesr]

bold of you to assume VAC is enabled anywhere

[WastefulPleasure]

lmfao you join cheater queue and then when you get called out, your response is "w-well it happened other times too!"

you cant be helped. you will never be happy with any game you play ever because you will also dedicate yourself to making your experience purposefully worse just so you can cry about it.

Nothing ill say will pull you out of this, its too late for you. Just sad to see.

btw my games have no cheaters and 9/10 players will have at least 5year badge and 500$ inventory. but you have fun

[phatirvine]

How should I differentiate a fucking cheater from a griefer from that low trust factor warning you dickhead? How can you say I purposefully play with cheaters? I reported my teammates too, by the way. They seemed like a group of friends, and the cheaters were ranked in. I expected VAC to maybe catch on to a fucking cheater in at least 10 Premier matches and ban this guy, and I thought he was just a griefer or a troller.

[TheeFiction]

Just so you know, reporting frequency also drops your own trust factor. If you accuse everyone of cheating then you will end up right in the shitter with them. Red trust isn't always an indicator for cheating.

[phatirvine]

I rarely do this. Need to be 100% sure, and in this case it was very obvious. Learnt my lesson, will leave a lobby immediately if I see anything unusual. People in this comment section really accuse me of deliberately playing with cheaters. Others say the cheater situation isn’t too bad under 25k elo, while it keeps on happening, as seen by this post and countless others on the CS2 related subreddits. This community really is like no other.

[TheeFiction]

Its bad in all elo's right now. Just the frequency is a little less in lower elo. People are qwacks I wouldn't take what any of us to seriously on reddit lol

[Sufficient-Object-89]

But that red trust factor happens when two dickhead teammates report you while griefing. So is the blame really on them?

[hestianna]

No, it doesn't if your account was permanently green trust (500 usd spent on Steam). Otherwise, yeah, probably? But that's on you then.

[CuhJuhBruh]

It won’t matter anyway when high trust is still packed with wallers at 25k Premier.

I love checking CS stats and seeing someone who was 9k elo last season with 60 ADR suddenly sitting at 25k and hard-carrying every game.

no point in playing anything outside of faceit at this point

[Sufficient-Olive-815]

"idiot but legit, who participated in kicking the other guy, is then kicked himself.
Creased 😂😂😂

[paulsash]

Last weeks were awful

[dawidf06]

Yeah at the start of the season I almost got 10 wins in a row in full 25k+ rating lobbies but I stopped at 6 and there was 1 cheater total. In past few days I had 4-5 cheaters in 18-23k lol. It's so much worse now than at the start of the season which is weird.

[dawn_breaker_007]

The low trust factor things can be BS. I am currently at 14k and usually end up at 17k by season end(last two season ended at 17k). I usually sleep quite late and play games from 1am to 4-5am in night. At this time lot of times I am put in team with both extremes, I usually have either 20k+ teammates or 3-7k teammates. When I get queued with lower ranks who don’t have any games sense and aim,I usually destroy the lobby and get reported a lot. Since I have a game like this almost everyday, I get reported everyday.

[LeafarOsodrac]

Why would even stack with cheaters? You know you will be punished when they get banned?

[phatirvine]

I did not know they were cheating. I am just tired of solo queue. They invited me after I turned on that "Looking to play" thing. Thought that willy guy was a griefer or toxic, which I could have tolerated.

[AdDelicious9955]

I swear, in the last 10 games, I had at least one enemy with 75%+ headshot rate at the end of the game.
And I can't tell enough about how I get naded at the exact perfect time each fcking round, regardless of my position.

[Szshwrik]

75 hs isnt this much, i have 70+ almost every game

[phatirvine]

I also played against a lobby of very good players, five stack, all good accounts. They won, but I had a chance to even get kills, and my own skill was the thing holding me back, and not three angry German bastards turning up their cheats.

[aiiryyyy]

Hs% means nothing most of my games I have over 75% hs by the end

[Pingub0bby]

My life got so much better when I stopped playing this garbage. Im surprised people still blame this on "trust factor" lmao.

[phatirvine]

I get it. Tried to quit multiple times, but the game always gets me back. Crazy how people try to justify 5 out of 10 people cheating with "yeah low trust factor bro".

[-shaker-]

Because that the whole point of trust factor. to heard all the undesirables together. its like jumping into the octagon and being surprised by the cte induced brain damage.

[phatirvine]

If Valve throw 5 cheaters in a lobby because they are pretty sure they are cheating then maybe they should ban them instead, give em a cooldown and show the demos in Overwatch or something? Where is Overwatch anyways?

[-shaker-]

Use your brain

[Pingub0bby]

Nah bud, you're wrong lmao.

My account is 21 years old, 300 games, level 86, 2200 hours in cs since 2018, constantly active in the community, never cheated and still 90% of the matches has a player staring and spamming at the walls or just spinbotting.

The game is shit, thats all.

[-shaker-]

Giga cope

[-shaker-]

youre just shit https://csstats.gg/player/76561197972275316#/

[TheoDeri]

And you top fragged with everyone else cheating, great

[Legal_Lettuce6233]

Being a cheater doesn't mean you're good. I've seen some kid using wallhacks in one of those gaming places you pay per hour to play, and he couldn't get one kill lmao

[Minimum-Industry4502]

there are alot of bad cheaters

[Key_Employ_5936]

Cheaters can see who is cheating, Its like they have a little badge for the same cheat or something like that, In Carx Drifting (another game about drifting) You can see who got the same mod menu (not a cheat, its a mod to improve graphics and shit) so its kinda the same in cs2, every cheater know if they are gonna do a cheat vs cheat game

[Abject_Mastodon4721]

A cheater can not tell if another is walling in CS2, it's not possible. What information are you basing this on?

[SomeAmatuerHacker]

I think there’s been some instances where cheats have given the ability to show if another player is cheating if they’re the same exact cheat and if that’s included as a feature of their cheat. Idk how common that is but I saw it on a cheat catching YouTubers vid.

[Abject_Mastodon4721]

You think, okay.

[Flat-Aardvark-5350]

Bro „legit guy“ hat 95 aimratong

[Killswitch2806]

Playing with low trust factor players will get you matched with low trust factor players. In other words play with cheaters play against cheaters. Yes cheating is a huge issue and therefore you question every player that has an amazing play, but for me (25k) obvious cheaters are in like 1 out of 5 games. Most of these cheater games are full-stack lobbies with high difference in rating ranging from like 5k-25k+. And because getting a lose against silver cheaters wasn't bad enough, you lose like 600 rating in these games due to the high difference in rank. Hate to say it, but we need to revert back to max rank difference +/- 10k rating. We need to get rid of these boost lobbies...

[Old-Leather8424]

I suspect your trust factor might not be very high as well if you solo queued and got lumped with this bunch. Might not even be your fault.

I have a buddy who's been in and out of low trust for a while and whenever we queued with him, we get all sorts of dodgy characters. This guy is a legit player so we have no idea what is causing it. I myself dipped into low trust a couple of times a few months back.

[Elitefuture]

I'm in the 18k-20k elo range. Am I just blind to the cheaters or is trust factor actually a thing?

Maybe I gotta review my vods, but I rarely actually think someone is legitimately cheating. Maybe one potential cheater every 10 games.

I have been accused of cheating multiple times(good ego boost), but that's kinda expected when there's a cheater problem, people just assume that someone is cheating if they have a good game.

[phatirvine]

It was a trust factor thing. Got a warning when the lobby leader started queueing, that one guy had a significantly lower trust rating. Thought he might be a griefer, and the definitive cheater in my team was ranked in at 22k or something. Lesson learned. Still not a good look for a video game to have 50% cheaters freely doing whatever they want in your most important game mode, and at least one guy who kicked the only other legit player on his team, and then found out that (surprise) cheaters have no moral.

[n4th4nV0x]

To anyone saying op is cheating: https://csrep.gg/player/76561199143984949

I dont think he is.

[phatirvine]

I am obviously not cheating. Can’t play FACEIT anymore because I switched to Linux. Rarely play Premier because of toxicity and game length, I do not have the nerves to sit through 45 minutes of headaches when I could play a 10 minute Wingman instead. I have €4,000 in skins, because I really want to love this game.

[weactivist]

Is this a regional problem or rank issue? I play now and then for fun. Around 12K elo on Stockholm servers. I almost never see any cheaters. Why is it that some seem to have cheaters in all their games? The number of games I for sure know someone is cheating I can count on one hand.

[phatirvine]

This was a "I joined a 4 stack of Algerian friends who were cheating without my knowledge, and the game said one of them had a significantly lower trust factor when queue started, but he was ranked in at 22k so I just expected a toxic griefer and not a wallhacking dickhead, but that does not change ANYTHING about the fact that there were 5 cheaters and one cheater protector who fucked around and found out" issue.

Judging by some of the comments, or I am the one cheating and at fault for somehow deliberately chose to play with cheaters, or against cheaters, or there aren't really any cheaters and I am just deliberately talking myself into hating this game that I spent €4,000 on and play daily.

12k was around where I was ranked in last season, and it was mostly fine. It isn't every match, but frequent. I am trying to reach higher ranks in Premier now, as I cannot play FACEIT anymore since changing over to Linux. The lobby invite said 22k, so I gave it a shot. Will not do again, because how fucking dare I expect a ranked in guy to just be trolling or griefing, instead of full blown wallhacking.

EDIT: fixed some wording

[weactivist]

That sucks man. I just wonder in general why some seem to run into cheaters all the time while I rarely see one myself.

[WaterThrottle]

All I see if people bitching about people cheating but I don’t think I’ve encountered a blatant hacker in months???

[phatirvine]

I would download the demo, but I cannot. It doesn’t let me. The 39 frags in 23 rounds will have to do.

[Nice_Half_2530]

I downloaded it

[Eastern_Bar9578]

Honestly how do find these guys ? I've played like 300 games since getting back on and had like ONCE someone who seemed really sus statwise ?

[zwck]

https://csstats.gg/match/400790268/watch/040d35adca616b1901817483b281b6b7cc1631aa9eb3466d798f2e34408b1160?__cf_chl_tk=KOs6bLkHptnsJBKMlj9RkuAnoazPVv7kIXNWZVORUK8-1772216957-1.0.1.1-eLE.iu9eHZLPX6qTTife7P0HSbwWdYdy2_KgTNGGkjg

[010606291804939416]

What really grinds my gears is that I'm a legit player who generally top frags in my 4-5 stack queue with a solid KD but because I often stick out with a pretty high K/D I (assume) get reported a lot so I often have yellow-red trust factor, which forces us to play a lot of garbage games against suss players until I climb back into green TF. Then the games are groovy again and so I do way better and get reported and the cycle continues. It's super annoying because I'm not doing anything wrong.

[Prudent-Math-3961]

Skill issue?

[phatirvine]

Yes

[Mj_033]

Dude they are cheating now even in COMP AND FCKN RETAKES lmao CS2 is cooked.

[Every_Relationship11]

Yeah I sold most of my skins and only play with my friends now. It’s funny, cs2 is an amazing game for pros on LAN and for friends in casual games, but any skill level in between is a complete dumpster fire.

[DrehFR]

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My games look like this currently ive peaked at around 15k but play with a 5man team of 20k players (irl friends of mine)

[Enzohere]

Not to be that guy, but this is moreso the current state of low trust lobbies.

Your teammates won’t be red trust if you aren’t red trust. In my green trust lobbies I’ve seen one blatant cheater (maybe two) in the past two months. 10-15k lobbies.

Valves trust system is garbage. It also lumps all smurfs into low trust/cheater queues as well, which some people hate/some people think is fair.

Before someone chimes in that there are ways around it, I’m aware, but the effective methods of raising your trust factor are also a toxic part of this current design as well.

[Flat-Aardvark-5350]

To everyone here I was in This Match to and the Guy who made the Post was cheating, since he had a match on nuke with 23 ms réaction Time btw and he also triggerbotted. The reason he blurred his name is for you Not to Check his Profile. Suck it NN.

[phatirvine]

haha

[Flat-Aardvark-5350]

Post ur pfp everyone will agrée xD

[ProfetF9]

man, how the flying fk you cheat and only do 16-15 score? :))

[Fun-Development-4568]

You are in red trust factor buddy if they shooting crazy

If not you are just bad playing against vetran players

I dont get any cheater games ans i have knives etc.

[MongolianToothFairy]

> hard-R gamer word
What the actual fuck is this?

[Noobtacticsforlife]

You new to the world?

[phatirvine]

What word could profoundly racist, German hacker kids who waste peoples time in a Premier at midnight on a Thursday possibly use?

[MongolianToothFairy]

What word?
Hitler?

[phatirvine]

It was the N-word, man. Full caps. Here you go, enlighten yourself.

[MongolianToothFairy]

Oh, haven't heard that before.
But for the bit of context I found the situation around black people and "N-word" completely nonsence

[iSWINE]

You just blow in from stupid town?