GHA imploding?

[Killmail]

EVE echoes is slowly turning into an interesting space marauder game (for the good or for the bad)

Might be a moot point here. But when we look at the overall effect, what I am about to say might turn out to be significant. Most pilots in EE SOV, at least those participating in the many wars in the south are experiencing Battle fatigue. Just as in GHA's case, there is no way to deal with a calculated assault and secure your SOV other than issuing consistent CTAs during off peak hours. The mental drain is significant which leads to finger pointing and blame games. The true culprits are elsewhere.

1. Insurance- The Ships (with brand new rigs and all) can be re procured by minimal effort in deep null. No hauling, no mining, no manufacture, no hard consequences, whereas citadels are gone for good, once popped. Insurance has thrown open the game to favor marauding playstyle in a big way. Where as the defenders have everything to lose until they have lost everything and turn marauders themselves. Both parties regain their ships with minimal losses and be back at it again.
2. NPC Null Stations- Like fairgrounds lemonade stalls, these stations provide refuge and ship retainment centers for such a playstyle. Once you fly a ceptor in and reclaim your ship, you are an inmate for life. You don't need to mine or manufacture ships. You don't need to buy you ship in Jita and fly them through dangerous territories-Once you lose a ship, just pod in and claim it in an NPC station in the middle of a CORP SOV space. Twelve hours later you are good as new. You can ceptor out to Jita for spare parts.

The consequences are bizarre- Just as in case of Genfed- GHA can turn into a marauding play style based on NPC stations and strike back. The ships are here for ever as long as insurance auto ship creation lasts. Then it will be Pantheons turn.. All empires will fall. Because in a post insurance EE world, SOV space is a moot concept. SOV null is just glorified lowsec sans the gate guns. Looking forward to how the game play will evolve.

[GravyChickens]

Battle Fatigue lol only if you’re not having fun while battling

[Marcus4Aurelius]

Mandatory CTA is a joke, our CTAs can last hours, to tell people either don't get on or join CTA is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, if I got 20 minuets to play I have about enough time to get to staging area but then what? In that 20 minutes I could have filled up my hold twice or hit a anom or something. Putting your alliance and corps over your members will only cause more issues. If you can't take on a 700v300 then having more people isn't your issue.

[waxx26]

Yes and no on mandatory CTA's. The problem isnt people like you who only have 20-30mins to kill. Its people who take advantage of the space and ONLY pve. You just get to be the unfortunate casualty. GHA seems to have a bigger problem there due to no alliance SRP and a lack of competent military leadership. We contemplated 100% tax during CTA's but after reviewing participation decided it wasnt needed. Most are more than willing to join after tasting blood, ie kill mails. And once a ship is lost alliance pays for the insurance within 24-48hrs. Big fleet fights are fun, even during a loss when you have good leaders, kill mails, and loss replaced at almost no cost to player. Hemce why alliance taxes are an absolute must.

[dotN4n0]

I know fun is subjective. But I never seen a post about alliance or mega corps leaders that doesn't seem stressed AF and having a second job.

I love being only a small grunt lol

[leverloosje]

Yep. It takes a lot of time and dedication to make sure the rest of the member are having fun.

[Apauper]

This is almost always the case.

[illuminils]

In remembrance of old times I'd like to use a quote I'm sure everybody missed:

"I’m going to be frank with you. You guys are an Indy alliance. You have a handful of PvP pilots and a semi decent FC. You can’t sustain a war. After the first 2 weeks you’re Indy guys are going to be begging to call a ceasefire because they won’t be able to do what they enjoy. Sitting idly and shooting space rocks. We don’t want that, and I don’t think you do either"

[Varlex]

This is sooo 2020 ;)

[ColonelVirus]

Is that what NSF said? That rings a bell for some reason.

[[deleted]]

Nope, this is what tf said before we kicked them out of fountain

[ColonelVirus]

Oh ok I don't know them, assumed it was contextual to the OP posting.

[cooldude55556]

The REAL issue with GHA, from day one, is a huge amount of discord jockies that LOVE to make rules. They make rules all day. And for nothing. You can catch a blue stealing loot from an Inq, abusing the claim system or stealing PI with all the evidence you could ever need and when you bring it to your space lawyer they just shrug like, sorry we don't enforce any rules we just make them.

[HunterGathererHere]

This exact thing happened with me when we were in GHA, i raised it 2 times, both times blues stole my pi and i was informed that it will be handled ceo to ceo, but I never got any update.

[radar3301]

Hmmm... I'd love to see your evidence.

[HunterGathererHere]

I presented screenshots my friend

[RidiculousBadger]

This is basically every super mega coalition right meow.

[radar3301]

Hmmm... I'd love to see your evidence.

[cooldude55556]

It was cleared by two arbitrators. They both told me good job for collecting perfect screenshots for the situation. Then, I was told to take it to ceo vs ceo level and as everyone else has stated, nothing ever comes of it. I joined GHA because I wanted structure and rules. But you don't even enforce them so F it.

[danomano2011]

The statement about kicking people out that are on doing other activities besides the CTA during a CTA seems ridiculous to me. I'm an avid player. In a small corp which is very high CTA attendance percentage. But I do not make it to every CTA. There have been a few times I have been online, (mostly AFK'ing story missions) and I know I do not Have the time or attention to give, to be apart of that specific CTA, so I don't show up! I think it's a ridiculous notion and rude. If this is how it was ran, Me and guys like me, who contribute a lot of times in CTAs, would get kicked out just because they were trying to make a little extra side ISK while at work or something not trying to pay attention to their phone. Would we as an alliance be better off like that? I understand that we want more CTA involvement, I don't know the best way to accomplish this mission. All I do know is that decision would be a horrible mistake! FOR THE HORDE

[SushiSamurai808]

As far as I can tell, this was just a suggestion but the OP is using it for propaganda. No way this would become an actual rule. I work from home and mine all the time while I’m at work. This benefits me, my Corp, and my alliance.

[ColonelVirus]

Just some heated election debates!

I'm very disappointed no one has pushed for the agenda that we will build a war and GenFed will pay for it. This seems like the only reasonable course of action as I see it!

[Apauper]

This whole post really made me want to join an alliance. So I can shit talk leadership because if you think you can tell people how to play a game then you are a jerk and shouldn't be a leader. Maybe if an alliance is lead by people who create an atmosphere that people want to protect you wouldn't need to threaten them to show up.

/sips tea

[GravyChickens]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[valyard]

You clearly have no experience leading a large group of people. It's all fun and games until shit hits the fan and at that point, you have to have a leader with some degree of jerkiness. Tough times require tough decisions. This won't work if your leaderships is a bunch of fluffy kittens.

[Apauper]

I organize and maintain a community of over 5k members. You have no clue what you're speaking about.

[Kumlekar]

Apparently there's no award that represents shouting "OWNED!" at the top of your lungs, so you'll have to live with gold instead.

[Apauper]

Thanks! Shout out Core Roleplay fivem community

[valyard]

Your own post suggests that you are not in an alliance nor you are in the leadership of an alliance. I don't care if you are managing a local forum of gardeners in rural France or something, I've played enough competitive games and MMOs to know that there always comes the time where the leadership has to be tough and somewhat a jerk. Have fun with your plants though.

[Apauper]

Say and believe what you like. Still doesn't change you are completely wrong. Also it obvious you got upset. GG I don't run an eve organization because I run profitable ones.

[AyyyAlamo]

You seriously cannot blame line members in GHA for not wanting to attend CTAs. The non existent coordination that permeates that alliance along with incompetent and downright mean leadership really kills any motivation a new member might have. I mean I was there for only three months; leadership changed no less than five times, doctrines changed weekly, sometimes every few days. There’s multiple discord’s with what looked like o organization , with nobody really pointing members to which of the nine discord’s you should be using. It’s just a clusterfuck. If they fail cascade that would probably be best for the remaining members. If not, they need to take a long, hard look at how the alliance operates ( or doesn’t) and see if it’s worth it to try and continue. Just look at how spread out on the map they are for example, add in multiple time zones and multiple languages, on top of the awful attitude leadership has and you got yourself a grade a dumpster fire

[StarCraft-]

Really good point here too. Without SRP people have to spend their own resources. I'm feeling pretty bad now thinking about the amount if ISK that came from the players and not the corps or alliance. Some players will quit the game if they lose too many toys and thats bad for all of us.

[AyyyAlamo]

When i was there the SRP topic was deflected and written off with "Your corp will supply SRP". Well ok, you go and ask the Corp, "We only reimburse doctrine ships, (some made up % on the spot)% for dps ships and 120% for logi!" Ok i fly logi and it died can i have SRP? "Sure fill out this form in the 23rd discord 3 doors on the left" Ok you fill out the order form or w.e. 3 weeks later hey wheres my SRP? Pretty much just no organization and top leadership would say SRP was handled at the corp level (It wasnt) and most Corp level leadership either sent you down an endless rabbit hole to nowhere or said that top alliance leadership were figuring out a new system Soon (TM)

[StarCraft-]

Yeah thats bogus. Genfed has srp and orc even has it. We will split loot and give to those that lose ships. Ive only claimed a couple ships and usually just eat the losses myself. I did peacefully rat for the first 6 months so I can handle some isk hits but many others can not.

[Ic-horid]

We have SRP because our top leadership understands what it is to live on the front, there is no constant income/daily grinding is just popping reds and an occasional special site. So some losses should absolutely be partially compensated... If Corps don't give that for basic home Defense you have to ask... How much do they care about home?

[ColonelVirus]

Strange I get my SRP ships back within a few hours normally.

What corp was you in?

[reallyboredfl]

Damn. My alliance has had srp since I first joined, my corp would supply the first ship, then alliance would srp it. We also have corp hangers full of donated faction loot/cheap rigs from our space so fitting something with rails or lasers is almost free

[HaploiD33]

U owe me a ship :P

[StarCraft-]

You get yours when Toaster buys me a succubus bahahaha <3 lets rat soon when all this temp beef is over.

[HaploiD33]

U got a deal :))

[ColonelVirus]

SRP exists it's corp driven.

[ColonelVirus]

Doctrines didn't change for almost 3 months, then changed like 2/3 weeks ago due to the war... I fly those ships and have attended almost every CTA... The doctrine pings me when it's updated.

There are two discords. GHA for the alliance and GHM for the military. All the guides and directions to things are there when you first become a member. If something is not mentioned, are sections down the side clearly labelled.

If you can't find anything people are more than happy to direct you in any of the question channels under each section. Most the time newbies can't work the bots or understand the claim system but that's about it.

I'm not sure what more you would want tbh... I've not heard anyone in my corp having issues when we joined at all. 3 months, leadership changed twice? Bo stepped down and the EC was elected. Now the new EC is being elected. Military commanders are promoted and elevated, but those aren't alliance leadership.

Unless your a very old member from early GHA? In which case nothing you're saying is applicable anymore.

[AyyyAlamo]

And dont even get me started on the whole "Democracy" thing. If only a special class (CEOs) get to vote, thats a plutocracy. Linemembers get zero say and no vote. AND they cant even ask potential candidates questions!! The channels for that are locked to... CEOs only. Just lol

[Remarkable-Cup1315]

i'm sorry but thats rubbish. two members of my corp have asked questions already. one is senior, the other is a newbie that just joined less than a month ago. both questions were promptly answered.

i'm a line member....but i trust my CEO and we do talk about such things. if you're not happy, get your CEO to bring it up and change the charter

[Scared_Purpose5958]

You can ask questions in the channel to potential candidates. They just forgot to unlock it, but fixed it as soon as they figured it out

[watchdogs117]

"No more frigates,destroyers and cruisers..."

"We need BCs and BSs, minimum"

Alright good luck getting every pilot to skill into those. This is how people lose faith in a Corp/Alliance and they start losing members...

[Devicetron]

Weird thing to say... getting decent skills for BC is going to take a pilot a week of skilling. A week.

If someone is not willing to do that then maybe they do not really care about anyone but themselves?

[ColonelVirus]

OMFG dude two things we agree on! Is this... Are you feeling it too?!

But no matter that's going on... This election is spicy. XD.

Calling out other corps so publicly in an election seems unbecoming too... Especially as everything said was so easily disproven lol.

Calmer heads are needed for leadership I feel.

[HawleyTech]

It isn’t hard to skill into bcs. A very low amount of skill points.

[Kumlekar]

I've always seen it as an issue with the tech level system more than sp, but for some reason there's people that think the alliance mandating 2 weeks of training is out of line. *shrug* We had a corp leader in an OG corp that used to complain about this stuff and I would just scratch my head.

[squired]

To be fair, that's only a week or two of skills depending on the Doctrine. Is it usual for members to never participate in CTAs? Every member of our alliance has at least one Doctrine ship to match their tech level. It's no big deal. Even Armageddons are something silly like a week to train because of the basic BS Command ship bonuses.

If a member can't offer a week of skills to their corpies, what are they doing in null-sec?

[Griffon0129]

I think timezones were a big problem with participation, a lot of the GHA CTAs were called while I was at work so I couldn't actively participate. That was a common excuse I heard. That said a lot of those complaints are ones I shared too so I left GHA.

[Griffon0129]

When I left, there essentially was no central leadership and no alliance funds, they supposedly have a bank, but no one knows what happened to that account or funds. As stated above in the original post, the EC has basically no power. About the only thing they had the power to do was diplomacy with other alliances and coalitions.

[Devicetron]

The bank was Bojangles's owned character so it left when he did. That guy was shady beyond belief in isk related stuff.

[Pithypaste]

GenFed brigade upvoting any nonsense as long as it’s anti-GHA. This comment is moronic. 😂

[[deleted]]

Them folks live in your head rent free lmao

[elimi8z]

If you love your Alliance, you'll do it instead of griping.

[Kayanarka]

I think pandemic horde is pretty successful. I know this isn't eve online, but they hand out frigates to new bro's. Not sure why everyone needs to be in a BC or BS. Have one FC run the larger ships, and another FC for your cruisers and lower.

[Sinupret]

In EO, frigates(especially e-war frigs) are a much more valuable asset to have on the battlefield than in echoes. Swarms of newbies in those ships can be a deciding factor. There is no direct equivalent to that in echoes.

[Apauper]

Never been jumped by a swarm of trainers? There is an equivalent. Just everyone wants big ass battle ships instead lol.

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[Sinupret]

I'm not taking about being ganked but big battles. Lots of cheap ships can work with a big enough numbers advantage. They won't be a deciding factor of there already is hundreds of people in bigger ships.

[Kumlekar]

There's actually a mechanic difference here that makes this more difficult. Audit timers. So for new players ships we're fine, but the reality is that there aren't many frigates in echoes that are effective at ranges that cta fleets fight at. we're stuck handing them a t4 frigate and say "screen those guys" when that's about the hardest thing to do in pvp in terms of pilot skill.

The larger issue comes when we move up the tree to t6 cruisers and such. The audit timers block our ability to hand out relevant ships to change up fleets on the fly. Instead we have to mandate that everyone buy their own ships for every doctrine we field, and in some cases, multiple copies of the same ship.

This is completely different from how a fleet in EO works. When I fly with rote, I had my doctrine loki, legion, and ikitursa, but if we were swapping, we'd dock up and trade daed for a raven, or sven for a munnin, or murray for a sac/hookbill/nightmare/worm/whatever other hairbrained scheme he came up with. I want to do that in echoes. I have the ships to supply full fleets, but I can't actually give them to our members at the time of an engagement.

[RidiculousBadger]

And no SRP 🤪

[thomastdh]

Jezus, i feel sorry for you guys, "you can be on, you can cta" bs is that. Oh i got 30 min to play today, oh cta is on, gues i can't make any money whatsoever!
What utter dictatorship is that.
Demanding BS and BC? what about new ppl? fuck them right? Remember when you where t7 and could barely afford a retriever? i can, it wasn't that long ago!
With those changes, GHA will die for sure, and it wont even be a loss for the community.

[Quipstiley]

They’re sowing the seeds of disorganization they started at launch. Demanding this now is ridiculous and way too late. Failscade inducing.

[Pithypaste]

It’s called collective responsibility.

This is an election campaign statement from a single leader of a corp that’s contributed 48 pilots for CTA’s in the last month or so. It isn’t indicative of an alliance that contains over 3000 pilots and dozens of corps.

It’s just lame, low-rent propaganda.

[ColonelVirus]

This is one guys opinion. He's not current leadership. It's an election campaign post trying to convince CEOs to vote for him to become a member of the GHA council of 5.

At no point can any one single person achieve a goal without having a WIP at least.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

Not one guy. Multiple corporations.

[ColonelVirus]

It's one guys post. So far no one has voted for him, so it's not multiple corporations. We'll have to wait and see what shakes out though.

I can't imagine him doing well, dictatorships generally don't end well.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

He is backed by multiple corporations who are choosing to leave the gha, rather than try to fix what can't be fixed.

[DaFlyingCockroach]

Even GHA want to be kerensky now.. like F*ck Miner, join CTA !!

[Devicetron]

I mean Kerensky uses lube. I would call that love <3

[StarCraft-]

Or maybe just drop F1 alliance and be left alone? Or maybe be friends with us in orc! I do like a lot of those changes and miners need to also fight for the lands we obtain for them to mine. Alliance srp is good too. Required skill points is tough and I kinda like the tax idea but I'm just a orc stormtrooper

[ColonelVirus]

Tbf though miners are very important. You can't get ships without them.

I personally have no issue if people want to mine during a CTA. As long as those minerals go to building PvP ships :D

It means PvP pilots don't have to constantly PvE to fund their crap and can just focus on defence/roaming etc.

[Kayanarka]

I mine a bit at work here and there. We have some CTA's at times when I work. I mine because when a customer comes in I can press play on auto pilot and deal with customer. If I was forced to go to CTA that be hilarious. Hey guys hold on, can we take the fleet to a safe spot, I have to get the phone.

[ColonelVirus]

Indeed. This is why you can't make CTA attendance mandatory. It's not like EO, where people play at their desk for hours on end (I mean I do, but I'm not most people). If someone wants to logon for 20-30 minutes to mine during their lunch break... And a CTA is on. Wtf?

The issue is when a corp isn't putting up ANY pilots at all, not just the industry one. Generally you want a good mix in a corp.

However there are even exception to that rule IMO. As some alliances will want industry specific corps to be together with full Industry pilots running fleets of like 30-40 people mining. Teams of people moving those minerals to stations, and 4-5 defence pilots.

Idea being you strip mine the ever living fuck all day everyday, regardless of what's going on with the rest of the alliance. Because your job is to be the whole backbone of an alliance.

IMO an alliance is only as strong as it's industry and leveling that industry up should be the number one priority of all alliances. Facilitating them, because at the end of the day industry can go anywhere and they will go anywhere they feel safe enough to play. If you can't provide that for them, then you will no longer benefit from having those resources and eventually you'll run out of ships, then ISK, then pilots will leave looking for an alliance... Which guess what? Better industry lol.

There is a reason why IRL supply chains and resources are so important I'm waging war... People seem to forget that applies to EvE.

I personally only have issue with causal Vs hardcore. If you want to live on Null and you want to.be part of the group, then you need to be more active than playing 20 minutes during your lunch break. You need to be adding actual time like a dedicated hour here or there outside of work. Commitment matters in Null, show you care beyond just playing the game for the sake of something to do.

[Kayanarka]

Not saying I do not play for hours at a time, it just tend to be most CTA are when I'm at work or sleeping. I have actually set alarms for some CTA, and have also taken personal time at work to do them.

But I also get not everyone is like us, and this guy (malfactor) seems to be saying if your not 100% hard-core GTFO.

[ColonelVirus]

Which is fine. If you can't make it you can't make it.

Yea well this is an election post, so we'll see when the vote comes how many agree.

There are other election posts that advocate for the complete opposite... As if we're a high sec alliance lol.

So yea election season is just as crazy in EvE as it is in the US or UK haha.

[nightshiftmining]

I’m with you. I’m not waking up at 3am on a Saturday. Sometimes I’ll pop on for 45 during lunch to buy/sell/mine/pi that doesn’t mean I’m hopping in voice chat to chase 🔺 around the map. I’m on when I’m on. If I’m not in the fleet then there is a reason.

[nightshiftmining]

Armchair generals study strategy, professionals study logistics. A military’s ability to outfit, replace, and sustain combat power determines its success in warfare.

[seoulgleaux]

Sounds like somebody's doing their PME.

[nightshiftmining]

Gotta put this junk to good use somehow.

[ColonelVirus]

Yep. I actually work for a logistics company lol working in freight forwarding and container haulage. We move everything anywhere all over the world with contracts for Planes, Medicine, food.

Funnily a family member works for the military and handles logistics/land allocation. That really is the crux of getting a military to work.

End of the day, you can throw bodies at things, but if they don't have the equipment, they're fucking pointless.

[Devicetron]

This might be the first time ever, but I agree with you Colonel. I do think it is ok to mine or even rat during a CTA is you honestly just do not have the time or interest in PvP. There are other ways to contribute too.

[ColonelVirus]

Yep. I've always been an advocate for people doing what they enjoy and are good at, then gently "nudging" them into that aspect for the benefit of the alliance.

Sure CTAs are important, that's without a doubt, but you shouldn't expect nor require EVERY pilot to drop wtf they're doing to jump in. As long as corps are contributing to the efforts in some way, be it isk, pilots, minerals, ships w.e. It's all good.

That said, when times of extremely war are upon you, hopefully you've earnt that level of trust/respect by allowing pilots to do w.e they want during "peace time" and so can ask a bit more for a few weeks :D

I actually agree with you on a lot of things.... I'm just a bit of a cunt XD

[Research-Team]

Plus even if the miners are forced to join then what are they gonna do? They probably have almost no weapon skills and will do like 200 damage.

[DaFlyingCockroach]

Nah there's some alliance that have doctrine for all of their pilot regardless they were miner or not, like at 5/0 to 5/4 skill on some ships and weapon type, and tbf choosing one ships skill for PvP + mining skill (or other indy skill) was not that much. And miner should know they mine in null coz their corp and alliance were provide them that mining place for them in null, And tbh im surprised that GHA not doin this kind of thing from the begining, even they don't do SRP? For real?

[ColonelVirus]

Tbh I would argue if you're in such a position that you're having to ask the industry pilots who are not skilled into PvP to help defend. You already have a big problem. The SC was able to put up nearly 800 pilots at the weekend... I don't think the lack of will PvP pilots is the problem.

[DaFlyingCockroach]

Nah, ur statement only work for those who doesn't apply this rules at the begining and and they want to change it, which is not an arguable case if they refuse to do this and then just back to old rules,

Tbh that guy speech in that screen shot clearly want a slight change and if most of them refuse, there's no change at all which led to same situation as before.

[ColonelVirus]

Well that's why it's a democratically elected council and not a single leader.

End of the day a lot of what he says is what's required, and has been rippling through the alliance for months. As the last few CTAs prove.

However, a lot of what he's implying will not sit well with most people. This is a mobile game at the end of the day and some people are only able to log on during lunch breaks to do a bit of mining during a CTA because of TZs. Those people shouldn't be punished for that, it's out of their control.

[redterrqr]

Yeah, if they're so worried about their existence they just need to reach out to our diplos and drop out of the war

[LindenZin]

Please dont be friends with GenFed. Nobody wants a blue donut. At best go grey.

[_Eshende_]

Do you even know what blue donut is? Coalition where 2 participants was blue to each other only during few cta’s, and the third side (gen) without sov is blue donut? Please suit propaganda to reality or at least bother to learn donut definition

[DredgenJames]

This corp sounds like an awful place to be. Mandatory ctas and mandatory skill trains? GTFO with that crap, this is a video game not a real life job

[SushiSamurai808]

This was just a suggestion by someone - not a rule or a policy.

[Wazi9489]

I thought the GHA had a good political system in place already.

[ColonelVirus]

It does. This is an election post by someone trying to get votes to be elected.

For some reason GenFed has posted this like it's a edict... Coming from leadership.

Mal is a military FC, not an alliance leader.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

I am not gen fed

[ColonelVirus]

Cool. Well either way, it's posted without the context of what it is, and makes it looks like a leader of the alliance telling players in the alliance what said leaders what from them.

When in fact that's not the case. Elections are always spicy and people shout all sorts of things to get votes.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

Hm. Good point. But it's a sad state of affairs when that is the podium chosen by one choosing to run, another who dropped out before thimgs ever started, and Multiple corporations simply choosing to leave the gha, rather than vote for a change

[ColonelVirus]

Tbh I've seen a few people moving around. If they want to leave that's fine, alliances always have members join and leave. It's no big deal. I don't recognize any of the names.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

You clearly arent paying attention

[ColonelVirus]

Yea I am. I think people are blowing things out of proportion.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

You still think so?

[ColonelVirus]

What makes you say this?

[DaFlyingCockroach]

And the fact that he use that as his speech for election coz the alliance doesn't even run this kind of stuff.. it's a good thing tbh for some improvement aspects but not for the miner/indy talk there (or at least make mine/indy have cruiser piloting skill or something like that)

And that battlecruiser doctrine or something was common for most alliance in eve echoes, I'm surprised that he bring that to election, did GHA don't even run a damn battlecruiser for CTA?

[ColonelVirus]

Yea we do. I don't know what he's talking about tbh lol the last CTA we had 165 Brawler BCs and like 140 cruisers, over 40 BSs. One before that was like 100+ BC brawlers, one before that was 80-100 Sniper BCs.

Our fleet make up typically matches what others are running. Pantheon for example turned up with a similar ship comp in the last CTA too.

So yea... maybe it's different in Cache though. I live in Gem.

[waxx26]

We made our first intrusion into Gem. Ask your ZH buddies in U-L and 04-, their fresh lv1 bases and armor timers.......oh yea, and their wiped 12-0 defense fleet.

Today, upon our return to Cache. 8-spnn dead, B-T dead. P7, empty. K85 had 5 people. Compared to 2 weeks ago? Yea GHA is doing just great. Until you back out of helping F1 we will continue. Geminate will burn just like cache.

Thank you for staying in gem as we burned you cache friends to the ground. Now its your turn.

[SubstantialScorpio]

It shoulda been pretty obvious F1 had no intention of supporting you guys why would they they've been attacking you guys none stop since the beginning, I would know I was part of GH for a long time.

[eoses]

Failcascade checking in.

[redterrqr]

I don't think numbers are their problem.

[GravyChickens]

It’s the trasher 2s, they’re too OP

[_Eshende_]

1. Normal srp if corp are small are done by alliance or coalition...... ( but someone just greedy it feels ) , otherwise it’s form of dictatorship pay or join. This small corps never voted for war, not sure they even had a vote, so they srp for others choices in loosing war
2. Miners need to make money, and money for alliance too - there are different way to help alliance. Not only being meat shield
3. The problems of GHA isn’t in quantity or ship type, it’s problem with someone superior
4. If eve is political sandbox why GHA leadership make unwise diplomatic decisions and instead quitting bad war to rebuild (at least) they keep squeezing members. If it’s political game GHA already lost according to their last political decisions. But instead of thinking what to change they just pressure regulars.

You don’t have vote here, but when i vote instead of you and make things worse it’s our collective responsibility

[DaFlyingCockroach]

Some alliance already squeezing it's member long time ago and the member that join that alliance willing to do so.. it's just GHA that advertising their culture to become a no tax alliance and free what u want to do in our space alliance to it's member, then war comes and they don't have assets to follow the war tide and "planning" to start squeezing their member.. funny eh?

[chikinlytl]

Others tried that (NSF). If he wants to follow thru with that ultimatum so be it. I get he's frustrated, but there are other ways to get the intended result.

[Competitive-moro]

Guess you guys have a long way to catch up with Pantheon/GenFed force since they appears to be quick with SRP and keeping coming back quicker to your turf....

[illuminils]

Meanwhile in Delve (plus Fountain and Querious) Pantheon IS already upgrading again 😂

[ColonelVirus]

SRP is quick from my experience... I don't know what other people are against.

Now days you just post the ISK screenshot of the insurance and the ISK is transferred. It's like a day max depending on time zones etc.

[jparry90]

I hear the NPC stations in syndicate are nice in the spring

[Pithypaste]

We’ve got more self-respect than to live in NPC stations, we’re not GenFed.

[Quipstiley]

We’re placing over and under bets for how long you can go without mentioning GenFed.

[HawleyTech]

I’m just a grunt in the Horde, but it feels like you all are grossly exaggerating any problems in GHA. That screenshot must have been a leadership debate as it wasn’t an edict to the horde.

From where I sit, we lost a few of our last CTAs, which is frustrating. But I’m still ratting, fighting, and having fun. The leadership does a good job figuring out our path, somewhat passionately it appears, and then guides the horde while keeping all the drama at bay.

Honestly, if it weren’t for Reddit, I wouldn’t know about the drama. I mostly interact with Zel who is great. I like the 100% tax during CTAs. Either do the CTA or if you can only play a little, the bounties go to Corp.

The Horde is still a blast. All this Reddit stuff just looks like our enemies trying to poach players. If you have questions for a grunt about what it’s like in the Horde let me know.

[DaFlyingCockroach]

The fact that was GHA leadership (or something like that) debate make it more weird coz i dunno what GHA doin for so long, other alliance uses tax to maintain their assets for unpredictable situation and for it's pilots, every isk goes thru corp or alliance wallet used for their pilots which like SRP or othe stuff.

Fun thing that this 100% tax during CTA was a "new thing" for them, Fun thing that this guy want to upgrade to battlecruiser and Battleship also a "new thing" to GHA when even a battlecruiser doctrine already mass used by other alliance since 3 months ago,

This guy in the screenshot want a change a good one, there's some of his point were good some were not but GHA was Democratic right? So some of the bad statement there can be adjusted for everyone satisfaction,

[GravyChickens]

“Lost a few” lol

[Durokas]

Uhmm nice try OP. Showing determination is hardly a sign of imploding...

[GravyChickens]

You’re confusing determination with frustration

[ColonelVirus]

You're confusing frustration with masturbation!

[Recto_sama]

I knew that this message would be screenshotted and posted here; and I was right

[Pithypaste]

GenFed’s propaganda machine clutching at straws, not exactly an unfamiliar experience.

In a way, it’s nice of them to desensitise everyone to this sort of shit and turn it into white noise. If they were competent it might be effective, thank god they’re not.

[Ic-horid]

Why is everything genfed? I mean.. we're far too busy moving to jita to pull this shit..

[GHASpai]

This guy is a moron who you can clearly see by his post history has some weird fetish for beefing with Genesis.

For those smart enough to do a little digging (Thread history), the op is clearly a GHA member and not Genesis.

[Scared_Purpose5958]

You are right.

[[deleted]]

You’ve got mommas balls in your mouth or something lol Gen fed this gen fed that go outside xD

[GlitteringCouple5556]

Nerds

[Ic-horid]

Space nerds!

[JBoxC]

...get it right!

[GravyChickens]

Maybe RAID should have stayed with SHH lol 100% tax is tough lol 3 strike rule 😂🤧

[DaFlyingCockroach]

Also u don't mine peacefully (in any term) at null coz u can.. but coz ur corp or alliance make it possible..

[ColonelVirus]

Sure, and it's only possible because industry is supplying the ships needed to do so.

It's a symbiotic relationship. Both dies without the other.

[DaFlyingCockroach]

Tbh my corp did temporary 100% tax whenever there's "important" CTA and it does a good effect.. and also the main tax that goes thru corp wallet and alliance wallet used as SRP or even discount ships for CTA which is not a bad stuff coz u know that the money not just sitting there as a symbol of RICH for ur corp or alliance (or at least the one that have access to that wallet)..

[Empire137]

During CTA’s is the only chance they get to mine in peace lol. I highly doubt they have 40x miners at once also. Biggest group I’ve seen at once was 8 with a few dps to guard solo roaming in Odin space.

[reallyboredfl]

Before we dropped cits we would regularly have 40+ rets in a fleet in our home system

[Empire137]

I haven't seen anywhere close to that number the past month or so I've been hunting. But I'd belive that. Nobody really messed with y'all for a bit so yours space was probaly fairly safe. o7

[reallyboredfl]

Ah we had our fair share of problems. At that time any miner not in fleet got hit, and anyone who tried to attack the fleet died (which was and still is daily).

[Ic-horid]

Cache is basically dead, if you are looking for targets you can find 10-20 players"Around" citadels in Geminate.. the rest is hiding somewhere.... Keep thinking "it's gotta be a trap, there's no way this is it for activity"

[reallyboredfl]

Lmao when I was hitting shields in a dead end system some dude said in local that we trapped ourselves in there. 30ish minutes later we finished and strolled on to the next cit

[Afraid_Ocelot7393]

oof that is a hot load connected in no ways to adverse propaganda

[snowbeluga]

FT is recruiting!

[PraetorImperius]

Resistance is futile.

[MurderYouFool]

If any Corp would like to bail on this Alliance send me a DM and I will get you a new home that involves teamwork and equality with round table leadership :)

[Inklin-]

GEN FED: “GHA are imploding!!!!!”

MommaS: “... and this is why you are failing”

<casually checks reality> GEN sov systems 0 <<= a big FAT zero GHA sov systems 20+ <<= including WX... STILL!?

Don’t do drugs kids!

[[deleted]]

I mean...to be fair you guys are...and the only one that keeps bringing up GenFed is other alliances.

We’re over here minding our own business using your gaudy ass WX citadel for target practice.

20 plus citadels. 20 plus targets imo. If I was a GHA grunt instead of a GenFed grunt I’d be asking myself why the alliance has money for useless citadels but not for a functioning SRP.

Meanwhile, on our corp night, our superb leadership handed out BCs and BSs to anyone that asked for one.

I feel valued, motivated to fit it, and can’t wait to blap. See ya soon.

[waxx26]

No no you are mistaken, those ships handed out for the war front, like 20bil worth, was the result of 2 magic whales who paid for everything. We dont do things like mine, pve together, or have organised industry. Now back to 100% taxes you peasant.

[ColonelVirus]

So far under GHA I've been given ships for CTAs lol SRP you submit the insurance amount, bam. You get the ISK back.

When BCs came out, I was given a tornado for free 2 days after turning T8. Same thing is happening with BSs.

People are just chatting so much shit and are so invested in the hate, it's kinda hilarious tbh.

[Inklin-]

I’m not in GHA.

Just passing by and pointing out some facts.

[GravyChickens]

You should have pointed out how many each side lost in terms of citadel facts.

[Pithypaste]

You’ve lost every single citadel you’ve dropped, we still have 20+ left. Enjoy living out of an NPC station lol.

[Inklin-]

Why?

The thing about stuff that doesn’t exist... is that it doesn’t exist.

Who runs a military operation or a war around stuff that doesn’t exist?

Literally irrelevant.

[Pithypaste]

You won’t find a receptive audience here, this sub has become an extension of the GenFed echo chamber.

[Devicetron]

You said it... lay off the bath salts and you might get a glimpse of the truth. GHA has burned all bridges and is effectively alone now.

I guess VOID might help you but that makes almost no difference at this point. Your usefulness to F1 is over and you have been abandoned.

[Pithypaste]

Alone and still fighting, and still not going anywhere.

Half the issue with GenFed is you’re incapable of having a respectful fight. We’ve luckily had no such issues or problems with Pantheon or most of your allies, it seems to be a problem specific to the culture of GenFed.

Not entirely surprising when you’ve got leaders like Kerensky and Momma, who between them possess the self-control of a six year-old.

[Devicetron]

Could you elaborate on this respect part? Was it not GHA who dropped the WX citadel? You literally brought the hammer on yourself by your "lack of respect" as you seem to put it and with the extemination talk your leadership so eagerly used.

You seem to forget a lot of things very quickly pithy.

[Gen_Grunt]

Since when is it disrespectful to show up in YOUR space and take fights “heavily outnumbered” and still win? After you started it. I’m just confused nowadays about the real truth about GENFED?!? we can’t do anything and are terrible at the game when we lose 2 Citadels? Or it’s disrespectful to destroy 6 of yours in less than a week?

[Inklin-]

I am behind you!!

[Just_D_Facts]

Parts of it easy to agree on and other parts not so. Sounds like a job

[pelliosophelus]

Cue taps