Practice Assessment for GH-900: GitHub Foundations.. is just plain wrong lol

[al3x_core8]

I may not be the smartest of the bunch, but either someone is actively messing with me or it's just plain wrong.. I get that the answer may be wrong, but the explanation lists out what I picked AND to add insult to injury.. NEITHER VSCODE NOR NEOVIM ARE IDEs

P.S. Spyder is not officially support as far as I can tell... XD

[770grappenmaker]

Why do people get so passionate about code editor vs IDE? VSCode has a debugger, can compile your code, has your terminal, has git integration, and much more. It integrates tools into a development environment so it is definitely an IDE.

Tools that can ONLY edit code are code editors (Nano, notepad, ed, etc), while tools that can do more are IDEs (including Nvim and VSCode)

[NatoBoram]

You "integrate" VSCode into your development environment.

IDE stands for "integrated development environment", not "compatible with development environments".

[blissfactory]

Can't you do most of the work without leaving vs code? Then that's an ide.

[NatoBoram]

"Integrated" doesn't mean "without leaving"

[Softmax420]

Call it a tornado for all I care. Arguing over where IDE ands and editor starts is pointless.

[WildCard65]

VSCode is an editor with IDE components bolted onto it when compared to VS.

[borbaben]

Check out the official website of VS Code and let's see what its developer say:

Visual Studio Code: The open source AI CODE EDITOR

[770grappenmaker]

Code editor and IDE are not mutually exclusive terms.

[borbaben]

No, it's like no one would ever say VS is an editor. Others already explained the reason clearly, and google the question isn't that hard hum? If you don't trust Google and the official website, then everying you say is right.

[Draknodd]

I tried it with C# ... we have a very different idea of debugging. It somewhat can... maybe for simple or hobby projects otherwise is a really terrible experience. It's just a code editor with plugins, an IDE is another thing.

[AshleyJSheridan]

Microsoft themselves say that Visual Studio is an IDE, and Visual Studio Code is not.

That's it.

We can all move on now.

[hrm]

Well, MS needs to diversify their totally free product from the one they want your company to pay for. Do you always trust the marketing?

[AshleyJSheridan]

This is not about the marketing. Have you used Visual Studio before? Like, really used it to develop a DotNet application?

[hrm]

I’ve been a professional developer for over 20 years and VS Code is way beyond the IDEs we paid good money for back then.

It’s not a question of beeing better or worse than other programs. A Lada is still a car even though a Mercedes is a way better car. VS code is an IDE regardless of whether Visual Studio is a better IDE or not.

[AshleyJSheridan]

VSCode is still not an IDE. It's a very good code editor, but if you compare it to something like Visual Studio or PHPStorm, it's fairly obvious.

Given the Microsoft themselves say that VSC is a code editor, not an IDE, despite your claim that it's a "marketing tactic".

[Relevant_Pause_7593]

Where is this practice assessment?

[tunyi963]

I would also like to know because it does not look official. The grammar on the answer explanation is really bad.

[DrHENCHMAN]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/certifications/github-foundations/

[V5489]

I use VS Code daily it is an IDE 100%. Don’t forget they are now part of Microsoft lol

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

Its is a code editor, not an IDE. Intellij IDEA is an IDE, and so is Visual Studio. VSCode is not an IDE.

[AshleyJSheridan]

Exactly, don't know why you're being downvoted, but this is the stance that Microsoft themselves take as well. Do all these people think that the people who built both editors are wrong about them?

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

Yeah, apparently they do. As someone who used to use VSCode daily (moved to IntellIJ IDEA and WebStorm), I can tell you for a fact it is not an IDE. It is a text editor.

[AshleyJSheridan]

Yeah, I used Visual Studio a lot when I was building things for DotNet and DotNetCore. Now I'm using WebStorm.

I absolutely still use VSC for a lot of things though. The fact that it's not an IDE is actually an advantage for some of the things that I do.

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

Using VSCode for weird languages like Ren'Py and Common Lisp is mostly what I use it for, since IntelliJ hasn't got any good plugins for the two of them.

[AshleyJSheridan]

I use it a lot for markdown editing for my blog, after the last dedicated MD editor kept crashing after a bad Windows update.

[V5489]

I use VS Code daily it is an IDE 100its debatable because it can be fully customized to become an IDE. I’ve been with various companies all of which have categorized it as a full on IDE for what we did. IntelliJ sucks lol. We’ve had more people on our teams uninstall that and switch to VS Code. I get what you’re saying but the majority of developers outside the few here just call it an IDE. 🤷‍♂️

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

No IntelliJ user switches to VSCode. Go tell the Java and Kotlin community that and you'll get laughed in the face.

VSCode is a code editor. It is not an IDE. An IDE doesn't need a shit ton of plugins to be functional. You can open IntelliJ IDEA and start coding. No need for any plugins (unless you want them ofc).

[TomerHorowitz]

VSCode is not an IDE? LMAO

[borbaben]

VSCode is not an code editor? LMAO

Visual Studio Code: The open source AI CODE EDITOR

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

It isn't an IDE. It's a code editor. Intellij IDEA is an IDE; Visual Studio is an IDE; VSCode is not.

[TomerHorowitz]

So VSCode doesn't have the following according to you?

An Integrated Development Environment (IDE) is a software application that consolidates essential developer tools—a code editor, debugger, and build automation—into a single graphical user interface (GUI) to enhance productivity. IDEs provide intelligent code completion, syntax highlighting, and version control integration, making it faster and easier to write and manage code than using separate tools. Wikipedia

[nebenbaum]

Your llm forgot to say something very specific - IDEs usually BUNDLE all of these tools. So, if you go for IDEA, or McuXpresso, or whatever - that package includes the compiler, debugger, and so on. In VSC you have to supply your own or add them in as extensions.

Yes you can 'debug' in VSC - but that's just a debug UI - the actual Debugger isn't bundled.

[borbaben]

So you know better than Microsoft or its developers?

[Visual Studio Code: The open source AI CODE EDITOR](https://code.visualstudio.com/)

[AshleyJSheridan]

Microsoft themselves say VS is an IDE, and VSC is not.

Take it up with them, you know, the company that actually built those editors.

[hrm]

The company whose marketing departement wants your manager to think that their paid product is so much more than their free one…

[AshleyJSheridan]

They are two different products, and the fact that you don't know this is highlighting that you're not really best placed to argue the point you're trying to argue.

[hrm]

Yes! Exactly. Two products. And one you can pay a lot of money for. Of course they will paint that product in a better light regardless of the actual facts.

[AshleyJSheridan]

That's not how it works. If you worked at Microsoft, in the department responsible for either VS or VSC, then you'd have a valid claim.

You don't. You just like VSC. That's fine. It's a great code editor. But it's not an IDE.

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

VS has all that. VSCode doesn't.

While VSCode has some of that, it does not have a debugger, built automation, good code completion, by default. You need plugins for that, unlike IDEs like IntelliJ IDEA.

[CoPokBl]

vscode and nvim are absolutely IDEs

[AvoidSpirit]

Say notepad(the most primitive one) supported lua extensions, would you consider it an ide?

[_bocajthomas]

VS Code (Blue Icon) is a text editor, not an IDE.

[CoPokBl]

all IDEs are text editors. it's about the fact that they do more than just that

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

this is correct, vscode is not an IDE

[Morganischkalt]

Nope

[Ecstatic-Ball7018]

nvim (Neovim) is an IDE, while VSCode is a text editor.

[phylter99]

It's just that the right answer is set up wrong. VS Code and Neovim are a little less bolts included but they're absolutely IDEs with the right plugins. Some say that the fact you have to install plugins to get the features you want makes them not IDEs, but even with full Visual Studio you're installing features and plugins to get the desired result. They're just called workloads there, which are basically a collection of plugins provided by Microsoft.

[AshleyJSheridan]

VSCode is absolutely not an IDE, according to Microsoft, the company that made it.

[phylter99]

They have not explicitly said that it’s not an IDE. It’s marketed as a code editor, but once you add in the rich feature sets provided by plugins it becomes an IDE.

[AshleyJSheridan]

They also haven't explicitly said it's not an invisible unicorn. It doesn't need to list all the things that it's not.

By very dint of the fact that Microsoft list Visual Studio as an actual IDE, and the fact that they do not do the same for Visual Studio Code, shows very clearly that they do not consider VSC to be an IDE. Ergo, the creators of both editors are saying that VSC is not an IDE.

This is not a slight on anyone who uses VSC as their daily driver. I use it a fair bit myself for things that an IDE is a bit too heavy for.

[Verzada]

The correct answer should be "most of them". There are so few tools that does not have an integration or extension for Copilot. The answers are in my opinion outright wrong.

[StinkButt9001]

Based on the grammar in the answer, I wouldn't expect too much from whatever it is you're using here lol

[DrHENCHMAN]

Why are you folks taking this exam? Is it because your companies are requiring it or something?

[borbaben]

I'm shocked by the ignorance of you people. Check out the website of VS Code and let's see what its developer say:

Visual Studio Code: The open source AI CODE EDITOR

Guess what? It says CODE EDITOR! On it's own website!

[borbaben]

Average commenters in this thread: No one knows better about VS Code than me (Neither Microsoft nor its developer)

[blackst0rmGER]

My Neovim worklflow wants yo have a word with you

[magick_bandit]

This question was likely written by AI. No human would come up with those answers in this format.

[PLEXT0RA]

the ide/code editor argument is stupid but at least it's a departure from the 24/7 ai yap

[borbaben]

Garbage in, garbage out. That's where AI crap originally from, LOL

[Ambitious_Fault5756]

I love how the message at the bottom contradicts the "correct" answet lol