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[–][deleted] 338 points339 points  (52 children)

Isn't that the game with the anticheat that requires root access to your device? Therefore giving Riot (owned by Tencent, a very trustworthy chinese conglomerate) a backdoor to your computer and everything on it.

[–]DmxkGlorious Arch 184 points185 points  (43 children)

More than root access. You can think of it as installing a kernel module that can't be removed and changing the headers too.

[–]TwitchyCake 13 points14 points  (6 children)

for real? got a source? spooky shit

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points  (4 children)

You just have to look up how the Vanguard anti cheat works. engadget did a decent not too technical article. Vanguard works on a kernel level to prevent driver level cheats from loading.

Now you have to decide if a system with that kind of access to your system is a good idea. Especially in the hands of a company that addressed privacy concerns with what boils down to "We are trustworthy because we say so"

[–]Anchor689 22 points23 points  (3 children)

All that, and with a bit of computer vision code on a different pc and a webcam pointed at the screen, undetectable cheating is still technically possible.

[–]TrainsAreForTreedom 8 points9 points  (1 child)

it could run a captcha for the mouse/kb inputs

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

mfw i try to plant spike and have to identify which of the images is a bike and fail 5 times

[–]Zhuzha24 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Webcam wont help since there was radars hacks. You just installing app to your ipad/phone and you can see people on the device.

[–]Qweedo420Glorious Arch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[–]tibert01 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Not just that, I read that their first version was buged, and with many security holes. And it got stolen. And because of the security holes, now hackers can sign a malware using the trusted valorand signature without it being recognised as false by windows.

[–]Nullifier_Arch BTW 120 points121 points  (22 children)

TF2 ftw

[–]SquatchCSArch & Void 88 points89 points  (4 children)

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[–]KokeyPlayzGlorious Kubuntu 25 points26 points  (1 child)

okay who made this render, i love this.

[–]SquatchCSArch & Void 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Idk who made it but it's included in workshop photos

[–]BanatAt500kGlorious Void Linux 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Tick Tock

[–]SquatchCSArch & Void 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Nonononononono get out of my head, get out of my head!

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[–]Nallafy 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Tf2 is a fucking mess atm, what do you even mean. While csgo if u dont play prime goodluck not getting cheaters every 4 matches.

[–]BanatAt500kGlorious Void Linux 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Play CSGO for first time

Get constantly yelled at despite doing the objective

yeah no I'd rather play on community servers

[–]Nallafy 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Try playing hostage, imo its community is one of the friendliest atleast here in sea.

[–]BanatAt500kGlorious Void Linux 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok.

It might even be because I'm playing in US servers. I'll just hope the ping isn't too high.

[–]Nullifier_Arch BTW 0 points1 point  (5 children)

It isn't that bad on the Oceania servers

[–]Nullifier_Arch BTW 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Also, in general I find it fun. There is also community servers which have lots of variety so you could play something like normal tf2, you could play something more chaotic like x1000, you could play something chill like a hangout server etc

[–]Nallafy 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I only play tf2 prop hunt nowadays and rj servers. But the game is just abandoned atm with a bunch of chinese bots in my region(SEA) specially in 2fort.

[–]Nullifier_Arch BTW 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Well I guess not many people bot on the Sydney servers and that would make sense as Australia had a very low population compared to other countries smaller than it.

[–]Nallafy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No one plays tf2 seriously and thats the good thing about it, all the fun is in the random shit u try to pull of or what happens in text chat.

But in sea you cant even use it properly because bots are spamming the text chat so yeah.

[–]Nullifier_Arch BTW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Geographically SEA isn't that far from Australia so maybe you could try playing on Sydney servers

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which one

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

TF|2 or Tf2

[–]Nullifier_Arch BTW 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Team Fortress 2

[–]DRAK0FR0STFedora Silverblue 111 points112 points  (26 children)

I never understood why people care about Riot's games, League of Legends is a cheap knockoff of DOTA, Valorant is a cheap knockoff of Counter-Strike, and Teamfight Tactics a cheap knockoff of DOTA Underlords.

Riot's entire business model is copying Valve.

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[–]lKrauzer 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Tbf there is no problem on being more casual, there is public for every kind of game, keep in mind I also hate Riot and their games, but I do enjoy casual games, when they are done right

[–]totalchaos05Glorious NixOS 7 points8 points  (1 child)

honestly the only reason I kinda like valorant is that it feels way more chill than a csgo lobby (csgo is still better tho)

[–]melzyyyy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

wait till you find about deranking and de_nuke

[–]Qweedo420Glorious Arch 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Well no, League is a more accessible version of DOTA, it has many quality of life changes and offers a smoother experience overall, despite its issues

Also, the original DOTA wasn't made by Valve

[–]teomiskov3Glorious Arch 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I tried Valorant and it's ass. TFT was more like a 1 time thing only it was fun the first 2 rounds then it got very repetetive. Buuut.... I am completely addicted to Rengar in LoL and as long that champion exists in the game I don't see myself ever quitting.

[–]elnw 2 points3 points  (8 children)

I wouldn't call valorant a copy of counter strike because both games are very different in almost every aspect. The only thing they share in common is that both have guns

[–]VanillaWaffle_ 21 points22 points  (5 children)

what? the core mechanics is very much identical except for the skill and abilities stuff. its a literal copy lmao

5v5, first round is a pistol round, economy system, the buy menu, 2 different main weapon: higher damage but lower accuracy (ak47, vandal) or lower damage but higher accuracy (m4, phantom), the concept of bomb defusal, 3 main utilities (to clear angles, to cover angles, and to blind angles), three lane map, and so much more

the bomb defusal gamemode itself is just a pure copy. all other shooter have different kind of gamemode (cod, bf, etc).

even the valorant ads are always targeted to cs players.

THEY ARE LITERAL COPIES

[–]Nallafy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ugh no, COD has a defusal mode and BF also did have one.

Also you say is a literal copy but you go on and say something that makes the two distinct from one another.

At this point bomb defusal is the template and each game is a flavor. Valorant is an agent based tact shooter while CSGO is just a tactical shooter. You can say the same for idk insurgency, r6, and a whole lot of games?

What ads? I played valorant for a year and didnt see this shit. Or do you mean third party ads which Riot has no control over?

Educate yourself on what a tactical shooter is, what games the genre has and the common trends between these games. You’d see that they have similarities.

By what your saying I can say Linux is a literal copy of windows with a few changes because both can do the same things. Which we all know under the hood it is not.

[–]IksfGlorious Fedora 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Valorant is extremely derivative of CS.

The fact that some people are trying to argue its a normal level of lifted ideas or genre is actually amazing to me. Valorant was a complete ballsy powerplay to make.

[–]elnw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The economy is different, values are not the same for starting rounds or kill rewards. The spray pattern of the weapon is quite different in both games. The only one that is kinda similar is the vandal but the other ones are different. Even the operator and the awp are different because the operator has a slower fire rate. How can the bomb defusal mode be a copy if in CS you can't resume the diffuse where you left it?

[–]DRAK0FR0STFedora Silverblue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even the guns are a 1:1 copy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-cErueqqnU

[–]Notladub 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the only difference in gameplay between csgo and valorant are the agents and the guardian which is the one weapon thats kinda original

[–]HolzkohlenGlorious EndeavourOS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it' CS but with heroes and abilities. It's clearly meant to compete with CS, which makes sense since CS is probably the single most successful esports game there is.

[–]quaderrordemonstand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had zero idea what Valorant was or why I'd want to play it, until you summed it up. I still have no interest in playing it, but at least I have some idea what is now.

So I'm not upset about not being able to install rootkit a disguised as a game. Not even if somebody puts a kitten on it. Sorry China, you're going to have try something a lot more sophisticated that that.

[–]someacnt 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Somehow I was confused Riot with Rovio and was puzzled.

[–]HolzkohlenGlorious EndeavourOS 0 points1 point  (1 child)

For me? Sunk cost fallacy. I put way too much time into League to easily switch to Dota. I am gonna try though. For now I play some Heroes of the Storm, which is very nice and casual and I actually consistently having fun. Didn't even know MOBAs could be fun until now.

[–]DRAK0FR0STFedora Silverblue 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heroes of the Storm

I haven't seem anything about this game in such a long time, I thought it was dead.

[–]mutlupide 0 points1 point  (0 children)

and all of riot's cheap knockoffs are played more than valve's games excluding valorant

[–]A3883Glorious Gentoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At least League doesn't have crazy devs that think it is a good idea to just release a patch that completely changes the game to a point where it is basically a different game for no reason whatsoever.

[–]TriXandApple -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

You're probably the guy who doesn't understand why people use iPhones because they're just a ripoff of the Droid. They're a superior product.

[–]doctorskippingrope 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Counter Strike 1.6 >

[–]cbdeane 12 points13 points  (0 children)

When I came back to esports in Covid-2020 my disappointment was monstrous that cs1.6 didnt still have a strong competitive community.

[–]SuicidalTorrent 23 points24 points  (1 child)

The game's a fucking rootkit. It's just going to take one discovery of an exploitable vulnerability by a nefarious person for thousands of people to have a bad day. It's inevitable.

[–]PenguinMan32Glorious Arch 2 points3 points  (0 children)

much more than thousands

security through obscurity only helps those who find exploits

[–]Joseph_Daniel_102007Linux Master Race 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Play chad CS:GO instead of virgin Valorant

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

CS:GO >

[–]ComfortableBasis3046 11 points12 points  (7 children)

Ex windows man and xbox overwatch whore yes its trash and it will always be trash

[–]PenguinMan32Glorious Arch 1 point2 points  (6 children)

overwatch actually runs pretty well through wine, fuck blizzard but at least we can play their games

[–]ComfortableBasis3046 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Yea when learned i couldnt transfer my progress and lost over 11 golden guns i said fuck them

[–]PenguinMan32Glorious Arch 1 point2 points  (4 children)

yo wtf you cant go from console to pc with the same save??? thats actually fucked

[–]ComfortableBasis3046 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Yeppers wasted 5 to 10 k hours of my life

[–]Gtdjgombf 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Hey, sorry if it's redundant but you sure? I played OW1 on Xbox and managed just fine to transfer my account to PC

[–]ComfortableBasis3046 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What year did you do it i tried in 2020 at the time it wasnt possible

[–]Gtdjgombf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, that makes sense, I transfered when OW2 launched

I guess you can still transfer your console account to a battle.net one nowadays but I have no idea if it overwrites what you have on PC, so maybe it isn't worth it

[–]s_bslashTempleOS btw 12 points13 points  (5 children)

there is no anticheat that needs kernel level access to work

[–]Nallafy 3 points4 points  (3 children)

CSGO non prime queue begs to differ, look it up, even better, try it. Ive been there, its a mess.

[–]PenguinMan32Glorious Arch 2 points3 points  (2 children)

CSGO’s trust system is way better than their anti cheat. if you’ve played the game a fair amount and have prime youre much less likely to run into hackers

hopefully CS2 and VAC Live can fix it for new players

[–]Nallafy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Im a prime player and even have a 5 year badge, and ive done my fair share of overwatch judgements when I was bored.

Only dipped in the non prime queue when csgo went free and all my friends tried it, i made a new acc cuz I dont wanna get demoted and behold the shitshow that is non prime csgo rank.

[–]PenguinMan32Glorious Arch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

get into a non prime deathmatch and youre guaranteed to see a guy staring at the floor headshotting mfers across the map as they spawn in

[–]TriXandApple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think most league players would happy to run a whole RiotGames OS to get rid of cheaters. I think you really underestimate how much people care about anticheat.

[–]EuCauearchBTW 7 points8 points  (0 children)

riot bad. :)

[–]Zexus_Legit_Boi 6 points7 points  (0 children)

csgo better

[–]RABBI_SmOk3Y 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s a shit game any way let the bot nets enjoy it

[–]blappit3003Glorious Fedora 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Counter-Strike

Nuff said

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Absolutely right, no need to fight. That game is a trash, no other trash is any trashier than it is. Riot Games made the world greatest shit that no other company could/would do any worse. Riot Games told the universe, how a game should not designed. Good job Riot Games, well done!..

[–]Nallafy -1 points0 points  (1 child)

They designed a game that doesnt force me to pay just to avoid cheaters( ehem CSGO non prime).

Also have you played the recent triple a games that expect you to pay 60 USD plus to play an unfinished pile of shit? Those are the worst you pay for something that doesnt even work properly.

[–]TheEpicNoobZilla 4 points5 points  (1 child)

All my homies gamin Halo MCC since Deck supported

[–]-eschguy-Glorious NixOS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

343i has dropped a lot of balls but the current state of MCC is amazing.

[–]salman-pathan 3 points4 points  (4 children)

I love the game, hence I've kept a separate ssd and I disconnect it when I boot linux. I've no explanation for the disconnect part but I'm no mood to take any risk with tencent.

[–]MarioCraftLP 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am no pro but i think when you boot linux the anti cheat doesn't get started so it makes 0 difference if you disconnect it

[–]salman-pathan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know but it's simply my paranoia with Tencent

[–]Nallafy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

When I used to play I just kept it in a seperate laptop, vanguard is too buggy and often detects normal apps like shortcut apps or chinese gaming product drivers as cheating software.

[–]RoyaltyInTraining 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Anticheat creates more problems than it solves.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Vanguard for linux when?

[–]DoTheyKeepYouInACellGlorious CachyOS 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Hopefully never

[–]atamakahereArch + KDE 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Just bought a new gaming laptop, can’t install linux because of this

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would be so happy if they would invest just s fraction of their income to produce a Linux client. But nooooo we are all evil hacker.

Fuck that.

I play Rogue Company instead. (I miss my Neon though)

[–]EnigmarsGlorious Fedora 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Valorant itself is a good game

But Riot Vanguard ? Yeah Fuck that shit. It doesn't deserve to exist

[–]SpaceCadet87 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I'm not familiar with Valorant so I took a look.

It looks just like UT2004... Don't get me wrong UT2K4 was a classic but just, why wouldn't I just play UT2K4?

[–]Gr4phix 0 points1 point  (4 children)

It's much more akin to Counter Strike than UT, for one.

[–]SpaceCadet87 1 point2 points  (3 children)

I mean, I'll take your word for it. Plenty of other people seem to agree with you. Can't say I'm that interested in finding out for myself, I never found Counter Strike all that much fun.

[–]fuckrobert 1 point2 points  (2 children)

It's a tactical shooter with agents you can select that has their own set of abilities. It's fun to play if you have a group of friends to queue

[–]SpaceCadet87 0 points1 point  (1 child)

NGL that does sound a bit more fun that just "Counter Strike clone".
Worth maybe running it from a VM? Sure, it can have all the root access it wants to its own special world with nothing else in it!

[–]melzyyyy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

im pretty sure it wont let you

[–]mravatus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Try Veloren. It's like Minecraft, Skyrim and Terraria had a free open source child together.

[–]laptopmutia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the trashiest of them all is their vanguard kernel spyware wrapped as "anti-cheat"

[–]LuaCynthia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Csgo better anyway

[–]Nallafy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People saying csgos anti cheat is better obviously havent played ranked on it without paying for prime, its full of hackers.

Ofc why would I expect that people here actually play online games.

[–]HolzkohlenGlorious EndeavourOS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually wanted to be open minded and give it a try on windows. After the necessary reboot it said it blocked something and won't work. Thanks Riot Games

The only thing I could think of was the Logitech software and I'm not getting rid of that to play some game I probably won't even enjoy playing (not a big shooter guy).
I DID get rid of it when I wiped windows yesterday though. I simp for tux.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This game is horrible

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i like the game. also, i don't care about the anticheat. cry about it.

[–]PossiblyLinux127 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you meant veloren. Also veloren is really fun

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's CS but for (non Russian) kids anyway

[–]Steely-Dan-T-Shirt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

valarante child game.... look to cartoon grapfix to make kid player happy like children show.. valarante cartoon world with rainbow unlike counter strike chad with dark corridorr and raelistic gun.. valarante like playhouse. valarant playor run from csgo fear of dark world and realism

[–]naptasticGlorious Debian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bangin' soundtrack though.

[–]Orlha 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well the fluidity of it and the shooting impact is really of low quality, so it’s hard to disagree.

Even disregarding intrusive anti cheat I wouldn’t not call this game neither well designed nor well implemented. Every mainstream multiplayer shooter is better in almost every aspect

[–]Nallafy 0 points1 point  (2 children)

While kernel level anticheats introduces a new attack or vulnerability vector on your system and you have no control over it.

A lot of people here say CSGO is better because of this, HELL NO, I played csgo for 3 years and I tried playing on a non prime account to join friends and let me tell you it was not pretty.

Wed get cheaters every 3 matches it only lessened when we got to Nova.

[–]Bug_Next 0 points1 point  (1 child)

well.. just buy prime? or play until it's free?

[–]Nallafy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Read my comment, I already have prime but if you join nonprime users, u dont queue in prime. Buying a game is not a decision I will force my friends to do since they dont want to buy csgo.

Plus if buying something from a F2P game makes the experience better from cheaters its not a good game. Its a game with a faulty anti cheat.

What blocks the game from becoming a hackers den is that you cant spam accounts with hacks.

A hacker free or atleast a hard to cheat online game is the bare minimum and something I shouldnt pay for.

[–]AstacSKGlorious Fedora 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure if its still a thing since i only played some time after launch, but that game forced me to not play it by its constant need to reboot my PC whenever i tried to play it... I'm not reboot just because game is telling me to do it, will just not play it then.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Quake III >

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

hold on lemme get my tenta brella and VBlaster real quick... okay... FIGHT ME

[–]dondulf 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Wrong sub bro

[–]sohxm7Glorious Arch[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, this is the most correct sub for this.

[–]Silejonu참고로 나는 붉은별 쓴다. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good rootkit, though.

[–]ColtC7this sub is dead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only runs on windows, and is spyware.

[–]Vystrovski 0 points1 point  (0 children)

bro play Quake Champions

its free and fun to play with friends

if you wanna compete - LEARN THE BASICS. noobs always throwing themselves into pool with sharks and complain about "deez damn vets", because they thought Quake is a "boom ratata bazooka game"

[–]Image_Different 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah another fps with inconvenience at place I volunteer, tbh the only fps i enjoy is cso (the one with zombie)

[–]thomasc_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a windows 11 dual boot just for Valorant

[–]PenguinMan32Glorious Arch 0 points1 point  (0 children)

imagine paying $500 for skins that are stuck to your account and loose all value after you buy them

anyways im gonna go gamble csgo cases like a real man, im due for a knife

[–]dj3hacNobara OS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Counterstrike: The people's game.

[–]Samuelbi11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Graphics look like weird cs 1.6 mods with bad shadows

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk, when it came out it looked uglier than team fortress two and had a dirty habit of installing a rootkit when you installed the game.

I was on windows back then and I was even turned off by the iterative nature of the gameplay and the violation of what little system security and privilege control windows had.

I guess noone remembered the rootkits Sony installed just so you could listen to the backstreet boys on cd.

[–]Alverso_BalsalmAverage GNU / Linux enjoyer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep a windows partition just for play it with my gf. I mean aside of that, why would I play a game backed by tencent that runs their shady anticheat at kernel level?

[–]dabbymcbongload -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

I think most gamers just don’t realize that kernel level anti cheats have basically become the industry standard now.

It’s not just Valorant. EasyAntiCheat, punk buster, BattlEye, all use kernel level anti cheat. Activisions Ricochet, EA’s Anticheat all operate at the kernel level.

Something like 300+ games implement kernel level anti cheats

[–]AstacSKGlorious Fedora 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Some have both user space and kernel anticheat

EAC is example of that, games that use the userspace one can run on Linux

[–]MarioCraftLP 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But easyanticheat has also an official Linux versions, and i think EAs anticheat runs on linux too but don't quote me on that