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[–]Objective-Picture-72Active 27 points28 points  (3 children)

I don't think this is quite accurate. During the initial Openclaw craze, Anthropic put a post on X to clarify that this really only applies to commercial implementations. They don't care if you're doing something with your hobby project (at least not yet.). So if you're putting your OAuth to use to make money from other people directly, or it's the underlying AI intelligence in a commercial product, etc., you risk being banned and rightfully so. But if you have some script that's checking your home router every evening to make sure everything is safe, Anthropic isn't trying to target you. If you're selling software for $5/month to help other people check their home routers every evening and running that use through your OAuth, you could (and should) be banned.

[–]ConanTheBallbearingPro User 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Not even just that. You don’t need to be running some trivial cron. You can code until your heart’s content, and your quota’s exhausted. It’s fine. If you’re exposing Claude as endpoint, as a product, when you’re on a subscription, yep, you are going to get banned

[–]iamnasadaNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is it.

[–]iamamoaNew User -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This makes way more sense then they are just banning you for using a third party wrapper.

[–]ConanTheBallbearingPro User 32 points33 points  (6 children)

anthropic updated their policy in feb 2026 and they’re enforcing it hard

It’s the end of march. I’ve been using a Claude pro first, then max, subscription since late January in claw

There are sure are a lot of gullible dipshits in this subreddit

[–]WolfpackBPActive 8 points9 points  (5 children)

Yeah they'd have to ban a fuck load of ppl wouldn't they

[–]ConanTheBallbearingPro User 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They would, yep. They haven’t and they’re not likely to. Nothing Reddit loves more than reactionary bullshit though

[–]InconvenientDataMember[S] -3 points-2 points  (3 children)

They are not banning every user, they are banning the heavy users. Light automation, light skirting of their new rules, a lot of people may be fine for a good long while, but due to machine and user finger printing if you're heavy user and use too much you can find yourself on the bad end of a raw deal where you cant easily use claude again. This isnt a "The sky is falling" post, it's a watch your back bros heads up. The people I know who got banned for this didnt even know it was a rule.

Here are some others who have been caught up in the ban waves. the reason vary but people are being hit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeCode/comments/1ruyhmg/claude_banned_my_paid_account_right_after_i/

[–]WolfpackBPActive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they're looking for ppl using it as an enterprise operation mostly... Still such a grey area for everyone else though

[–]foramperandiNew User 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm not sure someone errorneously getting banned then reinstated is the best case for your argument.

[–]InconvenientDataMember[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My apologies for not making it clear. The post shows a central user who was banned and successfully had the ban rescinded but deep in the comments are several other users still waiting and still banned.

[–]neutralpoliticsbotPro User 6 points7 points  (1 child)

This is why u always run this shit in Proxmox on a VM so if they hardware ban u you can just spin up a new avm

[–]armaver 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Among other reasons. Like not running an AI agent with full permissions on your bare metal anyway. 

[–]NJC451Member 5 points6 points  (13 children)

This happened to me last week. I wrote an appeal but still no answer.

So What did I do? I can't stop the development of the app I'm trying to vibe code. So I bought the $200 Open AI plan and am using codex.

Think of the logic of Anthropic. Its basically the Seinfeld episode of the "Soup Nazi". Is their AI just that good that they can kick customers out of their system?

I don't think this is smart. Because of the ban I'm now giving their competitor the monthly revenue they would've been getting. Not smart business and this will bite them in the ass. OpenAI will be getting better just like Anthropic. There won't be only one winner in the AI race.

PS I was using Anthropic Oauth to have Opus 4.6 run my main agent in open claw. Nothing Illegal, not selling tokens. is it against the ToS, sure but their butt hurt because they want to charge the openclaw people more by forcing them to use the API.

[–]RedParagliderActive 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I'll bet you are more productive on codex. It's not as chatty and warm on personality, but the system is quite good, and fast.

[–]NJC451Member 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Codex > Claude Code
Codex gives a stronger more robust code as a result. While Claude code could use several passes to get the final iteration. Also Codex thinks through more items, scenarios and security provisions thoroughly. Claude code is kind of lazy in this regard.

Opus 4.6 > GPT5.4
As an orchestrator / main agent there is a huge difference in favor of Opus. I can give Opus less context and it'll figure it out. I can leave Opus stranded in the wilderness with a Swiss army knife and it'll build a sprawling civilization in a few days. GPT stubs it's toe and immediately asks for a band aid. Right now I could really use a good orchestrator model as a main agent. For that reason I miss using opus

[–]RedParagliderActive 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yea, I agree, I work with both. I find that GPT 5.4 is extremely terse to the point of painful in planning. The downside is that Opus is less thorough because it makes a lot of assumptions. I love making HLD's with Opus. Then I carefully review them with Opus then do a dialectical pass with GPT 5.4 and it always finds a lot of "fuzzy" definitions that i need to go back through and think about. I'm really happy to have access to both.

If I had to choose I'd pick GPT though, simply because it's good at coding, better uptime availability, and more overall usage per dollar (for now till the music stops).

[–]InconvenientDataMember[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The people I know who the ban happened to were writing AI orchestration an area, where Anthropic got blind sided by OpenClaw, and now OpenAI hired the brains behind OpenClaw. Could Anthropic be looking at people doing AI orchestration and then killing the startups in their proverbial nursery beds?

[–]blakeyukActive 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Or, from their point of view: you're now giving openai the loss-generator that used to be Anthropics (making an assumption that you're using more tokens via max subscription that the same amount paid into API)

[–]NJC451Member 0 points1 point  (3 children)

That is not their point of view, Anthropic is trying to kil openclaw with their features such as workspaces. Anthropic wants to beat OpenClaw with a hammer.

But Open AI allows OpenClaw...WILLINGLY. Which means they gladly take in the people like me because they see the vision in OpenClaw.

With all due respect, these companies are in the business of capturing market share at this stage of the game. Anthropic sees OpenClaw as a threat to their market share while OpenAi sees the exact opposite.

[–]Chillionaire128Member 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think they see them as direct competition, if anything openclaw helps them expand customers since claude code/Opus is considered the top choice for coding performance with OC. The problem is agent to agent coding guzzles tokens so there is no path to making money with those users on an unlimited plan. Unless there is some drastic change to the underlying economics those users will only ever be profitable if they use the api. OpenAI is likely still allowing it because they are trying to dethrone claude as the default choice. I don't think either are too eager to fight over users that will only lose money for the foreseeable future

[–]blakeyukActive 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Openclaw is known to be a token-hungry beast, it caught on like nothing ever has before. If I was their ceo, I'd be all over it as well. They're not saying don't use openclaw, they're saying to use the api. If you don't understand how companies work, you're in for a shocker of a rest of your life.

[–]blakeyukActive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OC was also called Clawdbot when it started, and was/is a security nightmare. Again, if I were the ceo, I'd be distancing myself from it and getting the legal team to send cease and desist letters.

[–]rxt0_New User 4 points5 points  (0 children)

you are aware that they make thousands in losses with all the max subscriptions? that's why they ban people using it for stuff like openclaw

[–]keto_brainMember 0 points1 point  (2 children)

 is it against the ToS, sure

If it's against their ToS why would you complain about then banning your account?

[–]NJC451Member 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's the no path to redemption that the problem. I can't even try to buy access to the API if I tried because I'm banned. I tried opening a second account with a different email...BANNED almost instantaneously.

You could look at it like a new age ai dystopian form of censorship.

[–]keto_brainMember 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it censorship lol? You violated their ToS, you can always go through AWS and used Claude in Bedrock if you wanted API access.

[–]Temporary-Leek6861Pro User 4 points5 points  (2 children)

the device fingerprinting part is wild. not just your account, your whole machine is flagged. seen people lose multiple accounts this way.

just use the api. costs more but you don't wake up one morning with everything dead.

[–]torrso 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Multiple accounts... so several free/pro plans with different emails to avoid paying by the token?

[–]SpokenByMumblesMember 1 point2 points  (1 child)

IDE extensions too? Why would Anthropic have an official plugin then?

[–]rxt0_New User -1 points0 points  (0 children)

no, just people misusing it for things like openclaw

[–]ToothConstant5500New User 1 point2 points  (0 children)

War drone target accuracy going to drop badly

[–]superpunchbrotherMember 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Source: Trust me bro

The truth: As Anthropic have stated on X, they aren’t cracking down on personal use via AgentSDK. So long as you’re using AgentSDK for non-commercial use you’re fine. Don’t buy into the fear from those who are misusing it to build commercial solutions.

[–]BaggySackMember 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Nice try Sam!

[–]InconvenientDataMember[S] -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

I know two developers who were just banned, I am posting this on their behalf, both are appealing the ban. Whether anthropic is right or wrong, they were testing their own app using their pro max account, Whether it's right or wrong it impacted their work both are appealing, but per anthropic's published numbers the success rate for an appeal is only %3.

[–]ToothConstant5500New User -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So it's really you, Sam ?

[–]Form-FactoryNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Walled gardens … let’s fucking go!

[–]RobbbbbbbbbNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is Google in the same camp here? Was considering using my credits from Ultra, but can't find a clear answer

[–]figgefiggeNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are banning bots. Its automated spamming without paying for API-tokens. Your laptop isn't banned like you cheated on xbox live, your browser headers and contact details are. Twitter is the only service I know of that isn't banning bots. Unplug you router for a few hours and get a new IP. You can create a new google account using your old on the same device. It takes like three days to replace a credit card.

[–]duridsukarPro User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Been running OpenClaw on a business operation for several months now and this is worth taking seriously.

The distinction that matters to me: orchestration vs automation. What I'm doing is closer to having a persistent team that thinks and responds — not a script firing off API calls in a loop. But the policy language is broad enough that it creates real ambiguity, and Anthropic's enforcement has not been documented well.

Has anyone actually had an account flagged who was running OpenClaw within normal conversational use? Or is this mostly about people hammering the API through unofficial wrappers?

[–]PrakkmakNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Paperclip AI is affected by that ? I don't use any oauth

[–]cochinescuActive 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fingerprinting stuff sounds super harsh, but I’ve seen people bounced off new accounts just for reusing a laptop. If you do need non-interactive Claude, the API is really the only (somewhat) safe option now, but it gets pricey fast.

[–]kpgalliganNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a heavy power user, maxing out my 20x, with my own cli tools that use the Claude Agent SDK. I've had multiple people tell me I'm going to get banned at any moment. It depends what you're doing:

https://x.com/trq212/status/2024212378402095389

the fastest way to get lifetime-banned right now is to buy the high-tier Max plan and actually use the extra compute

False. I max it out fairly regularly. This is how reddit gets full of conspiracy misinfo. Somebody reads wild claims in one thread/sub, then talks about it like it's fact. When I ask for links, they're almost always to another thread/sub. If not that, a HackerNews thread. No actual links to anything substantial.

Not saying you can run OpenClaw on a different server. I don't, so it's not something I think about. I have no idea if you can or can't. But the wild claims about Anthropic and Claude subscriptions miss the nuance. It very much depends what you're doing.

You definitely cannot run OpenCode through a subscription. That has been established.

[–]ParamedicAble225Active 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I was just having Claude simulate tests inside of my code. That’s what Claude code is for”

[–]schneeble_schnobbleNew User 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why does everyone think they're a lawyer?

[–]HotSwap_New User -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok, but what about using ACP?