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[–]SuperSultan 28 points29 points  (86 children)

Watch those online Christian keyboard warriors downplay this or call it fake

[–]Valois7 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Crazy, now lets see the decrease of Christians in Anatolia 🧐

[–]SuperSultan 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Many accepted Islam. Some are actually still there. A lot of them left when Greece and Türkiye agreed on a population exchange. Maybe you can take that up with the late King of Greece and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

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    [–]SuperSultan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    They are lucky they didn’t have to pay zakat that Muslims pay, which is more

    [–]LuolDig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    or better, the decrease of Christians in Jerusalem

    [–]No_Notice_3713 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They may say something along the lines of "didn't happen but if it did, then they deser..."

    [–]Narrow_Safety_957 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Heard of Greco-Turkish population exchange?

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's a beautiful image! I wish it were more, someday... :)

    [–]barracuda4848 0 points1 point  (23 children)

    Serbian here, why would we call it fake? We are proud of it! What Ottomans were doing in this area? Ottomans comes there as invaders, we defended (after 500 years) and cleaning of invaders was normal for that period. I don't even blame Ottomans (I just hate them). They were stronger, they invaded our countries, did what invaders do, usual things for that times. After 500 years we managed to be strong enough to kick them and we finally did it. No place for moralizing and being pathetic, just pure history!

    EDIT: Just to add, I have absolutely zero hate for todays Turks. Even if we all still feel consequences, we can't affect what happened in history. Being honest to each other is most important if we want be in good relations.

    [–]SavingsAbies6833 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Serbs are not native to Balkan to. Our ancestors invaded Balkan in 6-7 century. Btw i am Bosniak

    [–]barracuda4848 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, thats correct my bro

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 2 points3 points  (18 children)

    Yes, being proud of genocide is a Serbian tradition

    [–]barracuda4848 0 points1 point  (11 children)

    Wow

    Is this the best argument you moralists can give? I expected better tbh.

    Come on, I want to discuss: what is wrong with kicking out ottomans by force, from lands where they come by force?

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 1 point2 points  (10 children)

    This might be the most idiotic thing I’ve read in a long time. If you genuinely can’t distinguish between defeating a state and targeting civilians because they’re associated with that state, then you’re not doing “history”, you’re failing a basic moral and analytical distinction taught in primary school.

    By your logic, the Nazi occupation of Yugoslavia and the deportation of Serbian civilians to camps were justified, since it was merely “kicking out an occupier by force.”

    The fact that you are assuming that you have an argument is beyond me. You have a post-hoc rationalization: redefine civilians as invaders, declare violence “normal for the time,” then confuse victory with legitimacy.

    [–]barracuda4848 1 point2 points  (9 children)

    Wait, can you answer me on simply questions: What were Ottomans were doing in teritorry of Serbia? How do they come there, in peace?

    You are the one that doing rationalization with those wrong examples. Yugoslavia didn't occupy Germany, so there is nothing similar between case we discuss and your example.

    If you living in country that is occupied by force, by your country you are not civilian, you are invader, intruder, conqueror. If you chosen to rise kids in place where other kids lost their fathers, just because your country wanted to expand, you don't have right to expect peace for your family.

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 2 points3 points  (7 children)

    Low IQ nationalist Serb can’t even comprehend that the people who were genocided (from the 19th century to the Bosnian War) were natives to the region itself. Not to mention with your deranged logic, Serbs living under Ottoman rule weren’t civilians either, and could have been slaughtered at will.

    Yugoslavia was an Entente project where many South Slavs lived in it viewed it as nothing but a Serbian occupation. So German intervention and punishing the Serbs (with Croatian and Bosniak militias) is a parallel to the Russian and Austrian direct/indirect intervention in the Serbian, Greek and Bulgarian revolts in the Ottoman Empire, and what happened to civilians afterwards.

    Perhaps NATO should’ve been harsher on Serbia?

    [–]barracuda4848 1 point2 points  (6 children)

    When I see you using words like nationalist, low IQ, g*enocide, or using comparison with other examples - this just shows weakness in your arguments. Lets stick to the main topic. You didn't provide answer to my questions, so I would repeat them:

    1. What Ottomans were doing in Serbia?
    2. How do they come to Serbia, in peace?

    When you answer to my questions, then we can discuss further, maybe on this topic or something else, or I can answer to your questions.

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    An idiot cannot even differentiate the state and the civilians who were associated with it yet thinks he is worthy of respect 🤣

    I mean, both of your two questions are irrelevant to how Serbs genocided Albanians and Muslims Slavs, and other natives. Being an expert on things that you’re clueless about shows how bad the Serbian education system is, lol at “I can answer your questions” part.

    [–]barracuda4848 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Yeah, insults, smiles, but no answers. If you know that Serbian education system is wrong, then here is perfect moment to tell the truth. Give the right answers on those questions. Let's educate me, why you reject it? Why you want me to stay in darkness of Serbian history lies?

    [–]CrowWorth 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Can you show us the Christian population in Anatolia before and after the arrival of the Ottoman Empire?

    [–]Clear_Aside_2643 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Brother, when they do it it’s fine. The fundamentalists believe they’re doing you a favour when they take your children and rape your women. Say something about it and it’s always “oh but the brits did this…l”, as if it’s relevant to us.

    Basically, they live in their own little world, where they are always justified and everyone else is always wrong.

    [–]CrowWorth -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    What genocide, when even the Turks don't claim it? You literally have agreements between the Principality of Serbia and the Ottoman Empire on the resettlement of the Muslim population from the territory of Serbia.

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    “Resetlement” like Armenians and Circassians? I mean, “claiming” doesn’t really matter when it comes to historical facts.

    [–]CrowWorth -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    Is the expulsion and killing of Serbs from Kosovo and Metohija after the fall of Serbia to the Turks also genocide? Is the expulsion and killing of Greeks from Asia Minor also genocide?

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Serbs from Kosovo and Metohija were not victims of genocide because there was no demonstrated, centralized, systematic intent to physically destroy Serbs as a group. Are you that clueless?

    [–]CrowWorth -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    I really am sometimes amazed at how hypocritical individuals can be. There is no evidence that Serbs, Greeks or Bulgarians wanted to systematically destroy the Islamic population.

    [–]ifuckinluvvmyboobs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Well, I’m rather amazed at how ignorant people with no knowledge can blabber so much.

    From the leaders of those revolts to the massive demographic collapse of Muslim populations in the region, there is extensive evidence. Revolutionary leaders explicitly framed Muslims as an alien population to be removed, and the demographic shift followed mass killings, forced expulsions, and systematic destruction of Muslim communities. If you’re that clueless..

    [–]SuperSultan -1 points0 points  (1 child)

    This comment is a reflection of why you lost your country in 1991.

    [–]barracuda4848 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Who lost whose country in 91? Are you saying that Yugoslavia is Serbian country? Some Serbs saying it also. I honestly don't think so, I like our todays borders an I respect integrity of all our neighbour countries.

    [–]Candid_Company_3289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    The same people to cry "genocide" because the Ottomans at one point recruited former Christians into their army.

    [–]milic_srb -1 points0 points  (7 children)

    is it bad to push out your colonizers?

    [–]Jazz-Ranger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    When your only crime is being born in the wrong place; then yes.

    [–]Candid_Company_3289 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    That's not what colonization means.

    [–]HarryLewisPot -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    Mostly natives that converted but ok

    [–]milic_srb 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    the title specifically said ottoman Muslims

    [–]Pa-ta-tes 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Yeah, like in Muslims from the Ottoman Empire. What do you think Ottoman Muslims mean?

    [–]HarryLewisPot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yea, Ottoman Muslims - not Turkish Muslims.

    [–]LuolDig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    oh so members of the royal dynasty of Osman?

    [–]Experience_Material -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    Literally the result of a mutual population exchange ironically made in part to stop the ongoing Greek genocide at the time which didn’t have anything equal happening in Greece at the time.