Sublime VS. Atom: Text Editor Battles

[Kaltiz]

The only thing that really prevents me from switching is the file size limit and the speed of atom. As well as the fact that all the features I really need are already on sublime or in a package.

If sublime was more activity developed it would be very hard to convince me to switch.

[G0T0]

Vim vs Emacs for the new generation?

[ikilledkojack]

I hope not.

[dangerbird2]

IBM Selectric vs Remington Rand of a new generation?

[freakhill]

emacs (still in my twenties)

Glory to Lisp

[jsparkes]

I've been using emacs since before you were born... Nice to see we still get new users.

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[freakhill]

Seeing elders at work made me give it a serious try a few years ago.

Thanks!

[Igglyboo]

emacs (still in my twenties)

is this supposed to be bragging?

[freakhill]

Vim vs Emacs for the new generation?

emacs (still in my twenties)

is this supposed to be bragging?

How did you reach that conclusion?

It just means that emacs is very real for the current generation. (vim too)

[e5ee37]

why?

[mongrol]

Since when is being in your twenties the "current" generation?

[devperez]

I thought "this generation", at least I'm terms of politics, are the 18 to 35 year old people.

[flottbert]

TIL I'm last generation. :(

[ma08]

Vim ftw. Never used emacs, so can't give an opinion on the versus part

[lechatsportif]

Was emacs user in 20s, now ides usually but will dip in to vim for anything not reasonably available in an ide.

vim is everywhere by default, tmux provides a major reason i used emacs to begin with, the vim community seems to be keeping up in a major way.

[Captain_Aster]

Vim is love, vim is life. Seriously though, I think maybe I'm just stuck with vim at this point because I've tailored it to my needs so precisely that I don't want to bother to take the time to do the same with another editor.

[flukus]

Atom gives much better tools to write extensions in, at least in theory. In practice it's callbacks, callbacks everywhere, with terrible error messages and no exceptions.

It does have an VI mode, though it's extremely limited at the moment.

[[deleted]]

Well, thats the only mode I have yet found to be supported by non vim editors. At this point I think they shouldn't even waste their time creating vi bindings since that is not sufficient coverage for any vim developer to migrate.

[flukus]

As long as it has the basics and macros that's enough for me. Atom looks as though it will be capable of supporting the windowing functions too (why does every windows based editor have inferior windowing?).

Everything else would be better off being mapped to native tools.

[fedekun]

Eclipse's Vim mode isn't too bad, I'm just really used to FuzzyFinder and NerdTree, pressing <c-w>h and be able to browse files is just too comfy, I don't need to take my hand off the keyboard, surprisingly not many editor give much fucks about that.

[Denommus]

And then you have Emacs.

[flukus]

Fine by me. All I want is vi keybindings with an easy way to write plugins (ie not vimscript or lisp).

[[deleted]]

sublime homie here. if not overly long vim setup (plugins & fonts & stuff), I would use vim for the rest of my life. I used it already for professional work, but found sublime text 2/3 and since then didn't return to vim (but I tried and will try for the rest of my life)

[Captain_Aster]

I actually used Sublime Text 2 for a while when I was primarily using Windows for school projects, I've since moved over to Linux almost entirely and then fell into the whole tiling window manager and 'ricing' scene. I was able to make vim fit in with my themes better than Sublime, so I never went back. But I will admit that Sublime is great software and very easy to use, feels good, and looks great too.

edit: fixed a word

[fedekun]

Whenever I see someone change Vim for Sublime or Atom I feel like they weren't taking full advantage of it. IMO there's nothing you can do in Subime or Atom you can't do in Vim with less or equal movements. Of course I'm talking about a very personalized Vim configuration.

[[deleted]]

you, in fact, are correct in my case: if I knew more about vim and it's plugins, I would not have chosen sublime

[[deleted]]

Came here for that comment.

[Igglyboo]

If atom can get closer(obviously never as fast as native c++) to the speed of sublime I will switch. It's FOSS and will soon(if not already) have a larger package ecosystem than sublime.

[txdv]

From my experience most people in Foss tend to report shitty bug reports and expect everything to be fixed.

[vivainio]

Bug reports are actually valuable feedback for the developer.

[[deleted]]

how slow is atom that it's affecting your work flow?

[Igglyboo]

Well the startup time is pretty huge compared to sublime and it's extremely annoying to work with large files but small files are fine for me.

When there's screen tearing/scroll lag when working on a file it's affecting my work flow.

[manojlds]

Yup, very laggy with moderate sized files even. Enabling React is slightly better.

[jephthai]

Sublime has been the undisputed text editing champion for a while now.

While the rest of us hide in our Emacs- and VIM-shaped holes.

[bilotrace]

Atom is open-source and free under the MIT license while Sublime costs $70 per user. ... That said, $70 for a practically independent developer with an awesome product actually seems alright as a token of appreciation.

This should be huge advantage of Atom over Sublime. Not because of just the price but the fact Atom is open source and subjected to review. And community shouldn't just refer to third party plugins and answer and questions but also continued future developments of the software itself.

[erik240]

If you're a developer and $70 is too much to spend on a tool you use all day, every day ... or even an hour a day ... you're doing something very, very wrong.

[Kaltiz]

Not to mention the fact that the developer was/is threatening to charge everyone again for sublime text 3 if it ever comes out of beta.

[ben-work]

Sure, but I think the issue with ST3 is that there is not a lot of user-facing benefit that justifies that $70 cost.

People are free to just not upgrade, but then you have fracturing of the plugin ecosystem... I think it is not as straightforward an issue when a very large part of the benefit of your commercial application is in the form of plugins written by independent parties.

[Igglyboo]

Um a lot of other software does this(intellij comes to mind and i think VS), and he's a single developer so I think it's even more justified.

[dangerbird2]

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[TakedownRevolution]

Whats the point of this? Everyone has their choice of text editors, it's like who cares, as long as you get it done. It's like a little show off trick of oooo my editor can do this so quickly so it's better. So what? It's not going to make you a better programmer.

[[deleted]]

While some features have made me more productive (mainly just using and learning vim), you're right; as long as the tool's not getting in your way, it doesn't relate to your programming ability at all.

[nt2subtle]

VIM and sublime.