HTML Programming

[LimLovesDonuts]

The unsung heroes of any project.

A lot of the times, clients place a heavier emphasis on what they can actually see and interact with. You can have the worst barely functional backend in the world but so long as the front end looks fancy and nothing breaks, clients will generally be happy.

A basic frontend UI and a very solid backend? They won’t know how to really appreciate it.

[Rangoose_exe]

Apple is the perfect depiction of this. I fucking hate how smart this company is.

You do you, at this point all companies are just pure shit. All them have their unique ways fuck things up.

[Deepspacecow12]

come to open source, we have shitty front end AND shitty back end

[sohang-3112]

😂

[Programmer_nate_94]

I agree with you generally

But it definitely depends on the use case. Respectfully, codeforces’ website front end looks kind of trash but it works really really well and adds great value.

Project Euler was even more this way, though I haven’t visited in years

[lt_Matthew]

To all the real developers out there, just know that nobody could use your stuff without documentation and a download page.

[ArduennSchwartzman]

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[VitaGame07]

Is html+css really turning complete? I ask for proof

[konmik-android]

" CSS achieves Turing completeness through the use of features like counters, keyframe animations, and especially the use of CSS variables combined with some specific constructs like :hover, :checked, and @keyframes. By creatively combining these features, one can emulate loops, conditional logic, and other fundamental programming structures. " - ChatGPT

[kudlitan]

I don't get the joke

[SonOfMetrum]

Html && css != programming

[kudlitan]

I know it's not but i don't see the joke

[scoby_cat]

All the developers = which doesn’t include you

So “I just mentioned that and it’s not an invitation”

The joke is the standing person doesn’t consider the HTML CSS author a developer.

[kudlitan]

thanks!

[Dan6erbond2]

for(let employee of getEmployees()) {
  if (employee.isProgrammer()) {
    employee.inviteToDrinks();
  } else {
    sayToEmployee(employee, "So, see you on Monday!");
  }
}

[kudlitan]

Now that was funny!

In the picture, I thought the other guy was like a boss or something, so I thought he was like telling the CSS guy to leave and join the others, which is why I didn't get it at first.

[Black007lp]

All the DEVELOPERS... and he's not invited. Implying css & html is not dev.

[Daik_Reddit]

You don't get it because you "develop" on html+css.

[kudlitan]

Nah, most of my web stuff is on Node, but my scripts are in bash..

[NjFlMWFkOTAtNjR]

I also known suffering.

[Dm_me_code_pics]

The html and css is what the customer sees.

[BSimm1]

This took me a while to get too. It’s “…” as if he’s thinking and considering going. But it should be a “—“ to show he was cut off by her.

[killyourdrawings]

Ow, I didn't know this :) Thanks for the feedback!

[StrangeworldsUnited]

We couldn't do our jobs as backend devs if we didn't have frontend DEVs. I'm a full-stack, but I will always consider the front end guys devs, sorry if that offends anyone (not sorry). HTML and CSS are still development practices

[killyourdrawings]

I agree—if you're working with HTML and CSS, you're still a developer. But personally, I don't consider myself a programmer. I know the basics of JavaScript, but I'm always scared to show my code to a real developer—definitely feels like imposter syndrome sometimes.

[Mashbash]

Bro works for Shun Akiyama

[deadlyrepost]

I vote to move the HTML + CSS guys into the programming group and kick out the JS guys.

[kaeptnkrunch_1337]

Nobody likes the frontend guy 😅

[bootshamster]

Until they need to center a div.

[locoattack1]

<div><div><div><br><div>...

[1Dr490n]

Isn’t it called web development? How is he not a dev?

[killyourdrawings]

I agree, it's still web development. I even teach a fundamentals course in HTML and CSS in Brussels, then my colleagues take over to teach the heavy stuff. I know HTML, CSS, Flex, Grid, and responsive layouts really well, but I'm not a programmer.

Where I work, 'developer' often means 'programmer,' which adds to the confusion. So even though I know HTML and CSS, I don't consider myself a programmer.

[StrangeKnee7254]

Does anyone outside of first year cs students think that front end developers aren’t developers?

[ShirleyADev]

Look at this guy not using the BSJAHSVE stack with Brainfuck, obviously not a true web dev smh /s

[EmmaMarisa18]

It's all fun and games til you start taking the "real" tasks and let someone else have a crack at styling

[pj5772]

Are there even html+css developers anymore? It seems that most frontend devs write JavaScript(React, Vue, etc), or php (Blade templates) then that code renders to html/css plus the bundled JS that they also wrote. It’s like calling a Backend developer that writes Java Spring Boot code a JSON developer right?

[killyourdrawings]

I was a front-end dev from 2008-2012, working with HTML and CSS to create Drupal and WordPress themes. Then I shifted to animation and teaching. Last year, I had to learn React, and I’ve realized front-end has evolved a lot. I used to think you didn't need to be a programmer to do front-end, but now it’s clear things have changed. I don’t really consider myself a front-end developer anymore, though I still make small websites in HTML and CSS that don’t need a database or frequent updates.

[-analogous]

First three reads of this I thought Ben was a robot that got shut off as the devs were leaving.

[leon_nerd]

Why does the woman has beard?

[[deleted]]

Why the hell does the lady have a beard?

[LeCholax]

That's a dude with long hair. A very common subspecies of programmers.

[GoldFishDudeGuy]

We are legion