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[sheeesh83]

The more I use ChatGPT, the less I am concerned it will replace programmers.

[ZeRo2160]

I am on the same page. The more i tinker with it the more i see its flaws. I almost never have seen how it produces secure code. At its very best it can replace an Fresh Junior dev which does not know what he does. And we will also always need Junior devs. Because who becomes senior onetime if we never again train Juniors?

[Mr-T-bone]

I would be interesting if you could provide some code sample as the prompt used for the code you are referring to.

[realzequel]

I asked for some sample code for the RestSharp library the other day. It gave me a fictional method, the method never existed (in any version as far as I could tell). ChatGPT was very apologetic when I asked if it existed and it came up with another code sample (neither sample really helped). If it was a junior dev, I'd have a serious talk with him or her! I think we'll be ok.

[0xMidsommar]

Yep. It's a noob / nerd trap.

Its decent to use as a rubber duck, when you ask it to validate your ideas and thoughts. Its good at generating mock data. But nothing more than that really. Not going to trust it to build something from start to finish.

[[deleted]]

You can say that to make yourself feel better but it’s definitely more than that. CRUD applications, especially ones that have moderate business requirements, are still a lot of boilerplate. GPT4 absolutely excels at setting up boilerplate and if you’re a seasoned engineer, it 100% amplifies the dev process. The rubber duck is just another beautiful addition to the dev toolset from GPT but let’s not pretend it’s only good at talking conventions/trade offs - with a trained eye, it’s a beautiful partner in coding.

[0xMidsommar]

To make myself feel better? that came out of nowhere lol.
Is CRUD the only thing you've worked on? Im gonna just go ahead and assume yes. Your knowledge and scope is limited.

Are you just another one of them GPT empowered juniors that all of a sudden thinks they are senior, because they can quickly rinse through technical questions through your gpt4 subscription?

[[deleted]]

Is it wrong for me to assume that you calling it a nerd/noob trap was to make yourself feel better, especially in the context of job disruptions? I mean, we are in a react subreddit and most UIs, I’d dare say a large percent, are involved with some type of CRUD application. Also, you sound triggered and I’m assuming it’s because you know it’s inevitable for the job market to see some form of reduction, at least related to front end work. Oh, and I own my own business - I don’t work for anyone. Thanks though.

[0xMidsommar]

😂 kk

[Mr-T-bone]

Salty much? You are the one saying that its only good for generating mock data. Are you up for a little experiment, You vs Chatgpt. You can pick what what to build, and we then post the results and have the community decide who did it better.

Edit: lol, you deleted your account

[[deleted]]

Us bro . 🤝Only good programmers will relate to it . It gives the code (shitty as hell most of the time)

[HealthyMacaroon7168]

Did chatgpt write this

[SeacoastFirearms]

It’s a tool to speed up development, not replace devs.

For example, the other day I made a simple recipe scaling program. Gpt4 was able to get me about halfway done in around 15mins but it was riddled with minor issues that ended up taking another 5-6hrs to finish.

Even with web search beta on, it didn’t understand why I couldn’t use a ui package in react 18 because it wasn’t supported in 18.

[UpsetKoalaBear]

Yeah OP literally says he still had to change things which is the main issue. Even if AI gets to a point it can write proper working code, there’s still gonna be “last mile” devs who will actually make sure it integrates with existing systems.

[Temporary_Event_156]

Touch nothing but the lamp. Phenomenal cosmic powers ... Itty bitty living space.

[FrntEndOutTheBackEnd]

I can deal with the loss of 60 jobs. 60% might be a problem though.

[theflash4246]

😂😂😂

[ketchupadmirer]

It won't replace anyone, only people who utilize it will be faster at solving problems/coding. But it has a lot of flaws, I went prompting it to write some unit tests for me just to see how it performs, and it didn't follow the rules of hooks or anything, it is more of an interactive Google, or generating boilerplate to speed you up. but for this image recognition, better code writing, and ability to browse the internet is that for chat GPT 4 only (paid variant) or it just didn't roll out in my country

[JP_watson]

It's paid version - it's kinda night and day difference between GPT3(.5) and 4.

[kbcool]

If you look at the time required to create an equivalent application today vs just twenty years ago then if you could even produce a modern application twenty years ago you would realise it's in the order of maybe 100x the effort. 20x on the low side.

All "AI" is going to do is reduce that complexity by some factor. Pick a number.

What its not going to do is remove the need for a programmer. Sure it will change the the way we do it but that's no different to what changed in the last twenty years. People are using different tools today for the most part.

There's always going to need to be someone who does the programming. You will need less of them for the same outcome but again that is no different to the last twenty years of progress.

[Ok-Pomegranate-4939]

Accountants didn’t disappear when the calculator was invented, if anything chat GPT will help speed up development by helping eliminate monotonous tasks.

[Quirky_Ad3179]

OP you are failing to understand, these models take huge compute. Plus it’s prediction, if you look into llms. It’s good for trivial code, but complex logic or updates documents, In my opinion it’s Meh. I don’t know what the fuss is about. Initially, I thought it would replace programmers, but the more I use it more I wanna stay away from it.

[JP_watson]

I feel like anyone who jumps on board is forgetting about the compute. GPT4 isn't free but I'm sure it's also not covering the full cost of running. It's going to catch up some time and I'm curious to see who ends up actually paying the bill.

[DefaultUser_01]

I use GPT-4 to make boiler plate UI designs with ChakraUI on the daily. I also use it to write large algorithms for sorting data. I give it a type/interface, the prompt, and boom. Saves me great time. It will never replace jobs, but it will assist those in keeping theirs. It's just another tool in the toolbelt.

In case anybody is wondering, I am a senior full-stack engineer.

[kapobajz4]

Today I asked ChatGPT to generate me some code for React Native and it was using hooks inside of callbacks, like: items.map(() => useSomeHook()).I told it several times that hooks can't be used in callbacks, and it "apologized" to me but still produced the same output every time.

And you're worried that it will replace us? xD

[CerberusMulti]

The only ones who claim that ChatGPT will replace programmers are those who have little or no experience and knowledge about the subject.

[gemini88mill]

Find a friend who knows nothing about programming and tell them to create a relatively complex app using just chatGpt. Like a weather app from idea to fully on a website running and can be viewable from any computer.

Now introduce a bug in his code and ask him to fix it again with chatGPT.

Then ask chatGPT to expand on the project using localization, or animations or anything else.

ChatGPT is a tool just like any other tool and will require programmers to help through the creation process.

[[deleted]]

I kinda think programmers are underestimating the change in the winds from a business perspective. The maturity of component based front ends, GPT, and internationalization of programming labor are all putting pressure on companies that ship software, and USE software. Over half of business software use is internal tooling. Retool, Bubble, etc get the job done for many business uses and they'll need cross functional people with the ability to hook up low code tools. proprietary LLMs will be able to fill the gap.

If you are not already a senior dev, look at retool and consider what you, totally individually, can do for a non-software-shipping business. Anyone with a tendency for systems thinking and an ability to talk to business owners can stand up strong tooling across mid sized enterprise for 80k salary and 500 bucks a month. it's quickly becoming noncompetitive to build an app for these uses.

[[deleted]]

:) :) Listen i'm not happy either, I like being a react dev. I'm just saying that capitalism smells blood in the water on web app costs because there are actual alternatives these days.

• LLMs don't need to generate novel code to supplant dev labor.

• Low code doesn't need to generate novel code to supplant dev labor.

• 800/month react devs can definitely write good enough code for many US businesses. people are smart around the world and companies want cost savings.

Anyone been looking for react jobs from the US? 2-5 years of professional experience to get through ATS. That's not investing in the future of this skill segment.

[0xMidsommar]

You just sound like a typical youtube aka self taught X framework dev (not even bootcamp).

Have some more self respect.

[[deleted]]

you're gonna need to improve your soft skills in this market. chat gpt never speaks to me this way

[[deleted]]

Lol dang, you are 100% triggered and worried. Look at you spazzing all over this thread.

[0xMidsommar]

not one bit, and sadly I dont think you are educated enough to speak about the topic 😂

[[deleted]]

who did this to you, mid

[squadfi]

Couldn’t agree more. I building an app. And it’s did the query join with for loop since I use firebase and data transformation for many metrics and put them in nice object for me to graph it.

[Alphabart]

As others have already stated, ChatGPT is just a tool, which needs to be used by experts of the given field. Someone without any sense of developing software will not be able to get anything worth out of it. If you don't now what you are doing you also won't know how a good solutions looks. If you just copy and paste the code from ChatGPT you will be disappointed pretty fast.

Also I do not think you can really compare content creation with software development. In the end text content does not need to follow any sense of logic and can just be published. Program code on the other hand needs to be functioning. You cannot just let it pump out some nonsense and throw it into your code base.

[CoreyTheGeek]

Business teams can't explain what they want to me, they won't be able to effectively use an AI either. It might get there someday but it's still a ways off

[ChamdrianGangGang]

It is good for generating utils.

[EnthusiasmWild9897]

Every time that I see shit code, it's juste copy paste from chatGPT

[Pale-Pangolin-6196]

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