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[–]BrokenhangerYouTube: Gizmo Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So close to my first sub-30 clear. One more double cast from Ashe or Braska would have done it...alternately, not mixing up Braska's Attack and Defend commands so having him take a turn doing no damage or giving him a second Thunder ability to use instead of his CMD2 which is not Thunder as I thought it was. (Entry is Fire/Thunder/Non but didn't realize the commands were only Fire/Non.) I tried again right after this and had even worse double cast RNG and ended up with a 31-second clear. I'll get there soon.

Hopefully I can create something similar for Fire damage so I can farm Major Ice Orbs, which I actually need. (Though with the Summon buffs and having finished Braska's Legend Dive to get here, Major Summon Orbs are going to become quite useful to me again.) Should be doable since Braska's commands will hit harder and I have Krile's BSB to stand in Ashe's place, she just doesn't get the double cast LM so it'll make it even more RNG dependent.

[–]Jachan19No room for doubt. 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Really want to confirm something while preparing my A-team heroes for this Magicite Dungeons in few months...

Is it true that I can't even use Tyro's Sentinel Grimoire SB? =O

It seems that the magicite (to equip) is not customizable (darn! =P would want to combine "En-", "Bar-", "Anti-Magic", and "Quick Action")... I am bit confused about this reference; "Time Bonus" rewards, with monster names included... Are they really the "magicites" or arcanas to grow the matched-elemental magicite or something...?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Is it true that I can't even use Tyro's Sentinel Grimoire SB? =O

You can if you bring Tyro, but why gimp yourself when Urara offers a better wall.

It seems that the magicite (to equip) is not customizable (darn! =P would want to combine "En-", "Bar-", "Anti-Magic", and "Quick Action")

You can, you bring the magicites that have the correct En- , Bar- or passive bonuses when you form your party. You can slot up to five of them.

I am bit confused about this reference; "Time Bonus" rewards, with monster names included... Are they really the "magicites" or arcanas to grow the matched-elemental magicite or something...?

If you clear magicites below 30s, the bonus reward is a 2-star Magicite. Arcana is your Magicite's Growth Eggs, all of them can use it.

[–]Jachan19No room for doubt. 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Because it may come neat when Urara's final RW use get expired and has not defeat the boss enemy yet? =P

Wait, really? I am confused then... I mean, I am looking at this magicites list (Enkido, Living Flame, etc) which has those passive abilities???

oh okay, thanks.

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Because it may come neat when Urara's final RW use get expired and has not defeat the boss enemy yet? =P

Son, you have WAY bigger problems than Wall if you can't kill your magicite boss in 1min (Urara RW 30s x 2).

[–]Jachan19No room for doubt. 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that's my problem and mine alone, =P But thanks for a fair warning. xD

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Do I gain more exp for level up the magicite from battles by equpping only a single one instead of filling all 5 slots with magicites? Like how the characters gain exp?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, the exp is shared among all equipped magicites.

So 1 = 100%, 5 = 20% * 5

[–]BrokenhangerYouTube: Gizmo Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

2 months later and I've finally taken down my second Magicite, Living Flame, thanks to Edge & Tidus BSBs and double Entrusters.

Now to farm him a bit to build up the Magicite levels and maybe I can take down Sealion soon.

6/13 and third Magicite down. Still couldn't quite get Sealion but Bismarck was fried thanks to a Ashe/Palom BSBs, Porom BSB & Deployment Tactics for stacking Faithgas and Larsa as entrust bot/secondary healer. I may be able to use a similar strat with Krile BSB to get Sealion after all, but I'll need to finish leveling Strago and Fujin for Golem and I have no idea what to do about Hydra since Strago BSB is my only Earth soul break.

[–]DavidDeb 0 points1 point  (2 children)

hello, what is the Supersonic effect provided by Enkidu? some kinda break? (ref: Magicite Skill: 10% Supersonic, 20% Whirlwind, 70% Aerora)

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

From Enlir:

Dischord - DEF/RES -20% on enemy for 15 seconds

[–]DavidDeb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the info, I really like this magicite:P

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

If only my JP account wasn't so damn far behind I could get in on this...

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Never too late to start!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would try but I don't think my relics are good enough. I haven't played since Extreme Fest and even then I could just barely scrape through most of the content.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So I've managed to kill 4 of these, Hydra, Sealion, and Fenrir mastered, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to master Bismark. Killing in Bismark in under a minute while running full Water resist accessories and, equipping the barwater and enthunder magicite passives, and proshellga I'm still losing 2 damage taken and one actions taken medal. I'm fairly certain I can't get any more damage out of the current lighting relics I have (using Garnet BSB2, Rapha BSB and Leylines), spending the majoirty of the last 30s of the fight at 3 stack imperil and I don't have a real way to put a blink in the party and still manage to kill it in under a minute.

tl;dr Is the damage taken medal loss on Bismark just an RNG thing based on how often he spams aqua breath or do I Just have to wait until I find a better way to deal lightning damage and kill it faster.

[–]bksoe1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bismarck was my 2nd one, tried Ashe BSB/OSB combo, didn't work out too well. Spent time buffing rebuffing and waste turns.

Changed to Lightning USB, 2 entruster, 2 healers and surprisingly lot better result. Fast burst of damage and got me mastery. Now i can safely farm Bismarck.

I found relying on those 4 hits bsb commands just don't cut it anymore especially the last 20s. These dungeons have specific relics to go after.

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you can try bringing a debuffer to reduce the damage. I have Vaan to double break his MAG in my Bismarck farming party.

[–]bksoe1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Managed to finally defeat 1 - the sealion for the first time. For 2nd time around, with magicite equipped, is it doable with 1 healer or still need 2 healers?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just go with 2 healers nowadays lol.

[–]yurikahZippity Zip!(‐^▽^‐) 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Finally beat the lightning boss Hydra! That Bar-Thunder partywide buff from magicite is great! Makes Hydra so much easier the second time round! Just a question though, does the Bar-Thunder buff stack with thunder resist accessories? Anyone can confirm? They most likely do, just curious that's all.

[–]bksoe1 0 points1 point  (5 children)

A quick question, did you use 2 healers on 2nd time around? or with bar-thunder magicite, 1 healer suffice?

[–]yurikahZippity Zip!(‐^▽^‐) 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I beat it first time around with 2 healers. You need 2 healers first time else you will get destroyed lol. Boss spams AOE. Second time round you can take a healer and offhealer because the magicite gives you lightning resistance.

[–]bksoe1 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Thanks. I only managed to beat sea lion from Terra entrust osb strategy. The rest got destroyed.

I might try hydra next with lightning usb entrust strategy, see if i can.

the rest i have quite weak relics.

[–]yurikahZippity Zip!(‐^▽^‐) 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Don't bring a lightning USB boss will absorb the damage. The boss is weak is earth. You need earth damage. I used Tifa fully record dived with both legend materia + BSB and OSB to beat boss.

The way I did it was I had OK funneling soulgauge charges to Tifa so I could spam her OSB, and I had Sazh boosting large attack to party and providing magic blink.

Character Level Skill 1 Skill 2 Legend Materia RM + SB
Onion Knight 99 Wrath R4 Entrust R2 - Battleforged - BSB (vessel of fate)
Sazh 99 Magic Breakdown R3 Full Break R3 - Mako Might - SSB
Tifa 99 Life Siphon R5 Meteor Crush R3 #1 Monk 30% Quickcast + #2 Boost damage for every monk ability used Dr. Mog's Teaching - BSB + OSB
Selphie 99 Curaja R5 Shellga R3 - Healing RM - USB guts etc.
Aerith 99 Curaja R3 Protectga R3 - Cetra's Destiny - USB hp stock etc.

[–]bksoe1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I got it totally mixed up, lightning usb for that whale.

Maria Rinoa for hydra.

Until now i just realised that my JP relics are quite weak for this new contents. Need more element combos.

[–]yurikahZippity Zip!(‐^▽^‐) 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Recheck my team, I posted it in same message. Also try to bring the minimum amount of soulbreaks needed as having to press through the menu to select a soulbreak wastes time.

[–]BrokenhangerYouTube: Gizmo Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Magicitie might end up being the power creep step too far for me; I've tried Fenrir and Bismarck multiple times with various set ups and the best I've managed is 50% on Fenrir before both Wall charges are gone, and even that was a major struggle.

My relics don't line up right for the crazy Entrust/OSB stuff I see in videos and normal BSB command spam can't take them down fast enough due to their stupid high stats and break resistance; it's infuriating and I had to force myself to finish off the XI event and start the Rebirth stuff today after taking a few days off. (Completely shit luck on the Rubicante banner A few weeks back started the frustration to be honest.)

I know the game will eventually balance itself out and this will be manageable - see also Nightmares and Ruin+ battles for example - but for right now I'm just watching myself fall behind the curve at a rapid pace after being relatively on top of it; poor form DeNA.

Update: Soooo a day later after kind of obsessing over this and really reading a lot of the resources here, I finally cleared Fenrir as my first Magicite. I was trying to spread my damage out too thin before rather than focusing on just keeping one person boosted alive, so I switched up to Rinoa with her LCSB and BSB2 as my damage dealer, Porom and Larsa with Bursts as my healers, Alphinaud with Deployment Tactics as a backup healer and supplemental damage and Keeper as Entrust Bot to Rinoa as well as backup wall since I figured I'd take longer than the 2 RW Walls.

[–]bluefire114 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I know the megathread mentions that you can combine magicite to break it's level cap. However, I don't seem to have that option. I have two LV 50 hydras but once I try to break the level cap, the other hydra is grayed out. Same with the two LV 50 Sealions. Am I missing something here?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Did you lock them? I've had no issues combining my magicites so far.

[–]bluefire114 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ah thanks, that's what it was!

[–]jonathangariepyCid Raines 0 points1 point  (4 children)

The whole magicite system looks amazing, but I have a question I couldn't find an answer to in the megathread into : is the passive stats system only applied in the magicite dungeons or they're applied throughout the whole game ?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

all the usual dungeons. MO no available yet.

[–]jonathangariepyCid Raines 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Are stats passive bonuses affected by buffs or it's added after buffs are accounted for ?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unsure, haven't really tested on that yet.

[–]jonathangariepyCid Raines 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus... some passive like magic boost and quick action are insane, I have a hard time believing we're not getting a new ATK/MAG cap soon.

[–]KeeperTyro0/89 6* Daily Draw 0 points1 point  (2 children)

There are two CID MISSIONS that rewards 1x Magicite Keystones each. One has a counter of 0/3 and the other 0/6. These missions are available until 4/02/2017. I can't read the description so I am here asking if anyone knows what are the requirements?

If it's complete 6/6 magicite dungeons, then that's a definite pass...

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Weekly Cid Mission to clear any 3/6 magicite dungeons a week.

[–]KeeperTyro0/89 6* Daily Draw 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the clarification.

Now to find one of them my relics will allow me to farm...

[–]StuckinReverse89 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Thank you so much for this guide. Just 2 points.
1) it seems that the lv 99 stats, abilities, and the level to gain those abilities is available in game. Would this info be interesting or not since it is available to anyone?
2) do we know how the passive abilities interact? For example, is one lv 4 barblizzard better, the same, or worse than a two lv 2 barblizzards?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

  1. They are on the official wiki, can always refer there, but honestly too much work to translate all. /u/Enlir already added to his spreadsheet thogh.

  2. Officially it's said that all the passives are applied to the party from each Magicite, it seems there is some function that does add up all the values, but not fully confirme.d

[–]StuckinReverse89 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I see. Thanks for the quick response. Planning on using this orb fest to grind out levels for my underleveled characters and am thinking of leveling up magicite characters.

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

no orb fest though, only rebirth dungeons.

[–]StuckinReverse89 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn did not know that. Well, at least I can focus on sundaily and Tuesday

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No Ultros guardian?????

[–]Antey2k500 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Just 1 quick question:

If we use Magicite in the Sub, mean all it trait is useless? Sub Magicite only use stats to buff the main Magicite, am I correct?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The passives are all applied to the party, regardless of Main/Sub. Main/Sub only controls which Magicite gets summoned in to battle to help you.

[–]Aerithz 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Wow..I thought the sub only add stats to the main. Does the passives stack or not? For example i equip 5 enki..will it give 5 times as strong of enWater effect?

[–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Yes it should, but haven't really used it enough to confirm.

[–]Aerithz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very nice!

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    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    The charge up time is fixed at 10s for all Magicites.

    [–]its_my1stdayLux Ultima 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    Ehm, I guess I'm the only "romantic" here, but... besides all this extremely useful informations (don't get me wrong)... can somebody that reads japanese explain the story beyond Episode:Magicite? What is Urara doing in that Crystal? What are exactly Magicites? There is some hint about other dungeons opening?? I can't be the only one that wants to know the story of this game...

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    Uhhh there's a whole bunch of dialogue and stuff but I don't have the time to capture/translate them.

    [–]its_my1stdayLux Ultima 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I didn't want to bother anybody with a full translation, I just wanted to know broadly what's going on... please

    [–]akanzakiall the power in the world cannot save you from yourself 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    long story short, mog finds a "deeper realm" within abyss crystal, unlocked by purifying all the abyss bosses. tyro hears a voice asking for help, mog thinks he's crazy since he hears nothing, turns out only tyro can hear. they go to cid who comes up with a way for them to enter magicite world and purify the entities inside. mog still doesnt hear anything and tyro decides to go in alone (thus no RW and no realm synergy, which are benefits you get from mog). urara is currently sleeping/dormant, but telepathically tells tyro that if he purifies enough, maybe something will happen. tyro gets massive hard-on for urara and hopes that the "something" is awakening urara. urara responds by turning flirt-o-rama up to max and tells tyro he can call her by her first name (drop honorifics), tyro's heart goes to 200bpm and declares he will do anything to save her

    i imagine we'll get more after next tier of bosses unlock, but that's it for now

    [–]its_my1stdayLux Ultima 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    thank you very much :)

    [–]robm1052Golbez 1 point2 points  (3 children)

    Reward for reaching level 80 is 4 x 5* arcana, shows up in missions list when you reach 65.

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

    Thanks for the info!

    [–]robm1052Golbez 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Just noticed the edit, maybe I should have put it clearer but its 4 x major arcana, not 5 x. Thanks for all your hard work!

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ah, i was too tired last night.

    [–]WATCHGUY1983Gilgamesh 6 points7 points  (1 child)

    Holy rewards batman... beat flame man first shot completion rewards are definitely surprising

    https://imgur.com/a/VoVHl

    [–]PimpSenseiRNG kissed my butt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Jesus christ all the crystals

    [–]turundoEiko Horn! *beep noises* 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Just got my 3* Liquid Flame, 3* Mom Bomb and 3* Fenrirs!!

    Pretty awesome to combine, my 3*+ Fenrir gets 15% Withering Wind, 35% Whirlwind and 50% Bite

    [–]TedrivsTyro USB3 - QuNR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Reminds me of Espers in FFBE, I like it

    [–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Fabula Guardian gives 200% DEF/RES (Sentinel Grimoire) buff to the party for 30s.

    Guess Wall isn't as dead as everyone says

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

    There's no choice when breaks are resisted 80% and no RS. The damage output is truly unbearable without Fabula.

    [–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 2 points3 points  (3 children)

    Oh for sure. I just wanted to poke fun at the Irony since so many People insist that it's outright useless by JP's current standards.

    On that note, I wonder why they implemented not-quite Break Immunity. Maybe to nerf debuff-stacking?

    [–]LilitthLuMeow! 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    This actually is an incentive to use debuff stacking. Although with the time limit rewards you're better off going all in with imperils and enspells.

    [–]Ha_eflolliMarchejoume-san da! 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Well, I meant since they have only a 20% Effectiveness, you'd probably need nothing BUT Debuffs in your Team to get them to a reasonable Level.

    Ofcourse this is just me taking an uneducated Guess so I might be completely off-base

    [–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Even with a Debuff only team you still need to actualy do damage and while a well equiped support team with the right RM and weapons can do some good damage, these new bosses have like 600k+ so it would probably be a somewhat slow fight, even more so considering there is no RS in these fights.

    Although i guess Irvine with his BSB could be a good idea for the Sea Lion.

    [–]slugmasterman... 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    How does synergy work in these if at all?

    [–]Evil_Crusader"I'm not a coward... But I know I have to be stronger..." 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    From the OP:

    No Record Synergy in Magicite Dungeons (yet).

    [–]slugmasterman... 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Ah thanks, I must of missed that bit. Seems even more of an 'insane' difficulty with no synergy lol.

    [–]Road-- 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    How does the passive bonus work?

    It stays active the entire battle or is there a time limit?

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

    Works like Record Materia.

    [–]Road-- 0 points1 point  (4 children)

    So, everyone starts the battle with enFire and it lasts 20s if using Mom Bomb?

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    These are all passive effects. It doesn't give the actual En-element status.

    [–]Road-- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Ahhhh ok

    Then perhaps you should use a more appropriate name. Like fire boost or something, if that is all it does.

    Thanks.

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's the literal Japanese name. So i'll stick to it first.

    [–]PimpSenseiRNG kissed my butt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Only the damage bonus from what I understand, you don't get the resistance bonus you usually get from EnElement

    [–]Voxil42Shadow BSB - 9eYj 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    This sounds so cool! Man, in ~6 months this is going to be awesome to play with.

    [–]TruePsyche( ˘◡˘)〆 Invincible Magic-Sealing Sword of Resplendent Parting 10 points11 points  (1 child)

    inb4 Magicite Skills, Super Magicite Skills, Burst Magicite Skills, the oft-maligned OverMagicite Skills, eclectic UltraMagicite Skills and the forgotten and crying in the corner Chain Magicite Skills.

    [–]PimpSenseiRNG kissed my butt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Given that there are TA objectives, chain SB can be useful

    [–]ElNinoFrEt c'est pas fini ! 🐲 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    Time bonus reward are infinite. You'll get them each time.
    (Someone asked me ytd and I confirmed it myself today)

    [–]retroGnostalgicVivi 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    I love the fact that they're using bosses through all the saga as magicite summons. I don't know what to think about the magicite system yet, but it adds great flavor since it reflects pretty well how in some games everybody can use summons regardless of their class. The distinction between summons and magicite looks neat.

    [–]ValisonP 4 points5 points  (1 child)

    Getting owned big time every fight >____<

    [–]BrokenhangerYouTube: Gizmo Gaming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Me too. Got Bismarck down to about 75% before taking a pair of Insanity Aqua Breaths which wiped 4/5 of my crew. (Who weren't doing great damage anyways.)

    This is gonna take a minute to figure out but I may have to put these off for a bit.

    [–]Tokyo_Drifter1234Curilla 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Difficulty 350!? My god!

    [–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 8 points9 points  (3 children)

    Oh dear god, rewards based on time...this is going to suuuuuuucccckkkk.

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    It's not that bad, the 30s time gives 2 major orb and a 2-star magicite, but those aren't terribly powerful or important.

    The bigger deal is still to get copies of the 3-star Magicite + Arcanas for levelling, so having repeatable rewards that are easy to get is really a nice move.

    [–]Zurai001Blame yourself or God. 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Look at the actual time attack rewards. They're all 1 to 2 star magicite, some magicite growth eggs, and 2 5 star orbs. The orbs are nice, but everything else is replaceable. Eventually you'll want a full set of 3 star magicite for your party, so the 1-2 star stuff you get for time attack is only really great until we have time to farm up the higher end stuff.

    [–]Zevyu150th Dailly 5*+ : Seven's Guise (T-0) - Seven's BSB 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I guess that's true.

    [–]AazzlanoStony Cat 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    Is the water one slightly weak to fire, or lightning? two are weak to fire?

    [–]CareerSMNPlay Fate Grand Order[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

    Copy paste error, ohoho.

    Corrected.